Bale undroppable?

[Son_Of]

He's definitely not world class yet. We'll see what he can do in the Champions League :wink:

I do think he'll prove to be world class though. He just needs to do it on the big stage first.

Bale isnt world class yet, and he isnt 'Undroppable', but at the moment he would be my first name on the team sheet.

i disagree. i think he is world class now. but noone is undroppable, as form and also formation and tactics dictate.

i don't see benny as vastly superior defensively to bale. watch the wigan game, he gives the ball away twice from low pressure situations in our own corner. real Liability Young-Pyo stuff

 

[Son_Of]

No player is undroppable and the assertion that Gareth Bale is world class playing anywhere on the left is also laughable. Will Bale ever become world class? Possibly (we may get away with saying probably) as he has all the talent required, but we should remember he has only been playing in such a sintilating fashion for less than a year now. Which is nowhere near long enough to be considered up there with your Messi's, Ronaldo's and even Robben's.

Also on players who would cost £25 million+ for us to even consider selling, surely Modric would fall into that bracket infact i'm sure he would cost more than Bale right now.

i would call him that now. you're probably right about prices but you shouldn't be. bale is worth more. modric oozes class, but bale is IMO much more o a game changer/match winner, even if modders is a pleasure to watch

 

[WhiteStripe]

i disagree. i think he is world class now. but noone is undroppable, as form and also formation and tactics dictate.

i don't see benny as vastly superior defensively to bale. watch the wigan game, he gives the ball away twice from low pressure situations in our own corner. real Liability Young-Pyo stuff

You cannot band the term WORLD CLASS round like this. Seriously. Being considered world class surely should be the highest praise you can give a player. bale has not been consistent enough for long enough at a level high enough to have this heaped on him.

He hasn't even played in a major tournament yet.

 

[wooderz]

He's not world class, that's a fact, and he's not undroppable, in fact i'd drop him this weekend. He is looking a bit tired lately, going to Montenegro and then all the expectation of Wales, give him a week off, just leave him on the bench as contingency and let him regain his hunger, and he'll be flying again.

IMO

 

[Kendall]

I agree with wooderz.

 

[wooderz]

I agree with wooderz.

Whhhaaaaaaattttttt? mg:

 

[Coyboy]

Lennon is also no certainty to start with the squad we have. VDV, Modric or Bentley on the right.

None is especially good on the right, especially Bentley.

 

[mattstev2000]

You cannot band the term WORLD CLASS round like this. Seriously. Being considered world class surely should be the highest praise you can give a player. bale has not been consistent enough for long enough at a level high enough to have this heaped on him.

He hasn't even played in a major tournament yet.

I think you've got too stringent a definition of world class.

If you have to wait for him to have 5 good seasons at the absolute top level before you're happy calling him world class that's fine. I disagree with your definition of world class and prefer to use it more as a judge of the talent that the player has.

World class isn't a set in stone definition that everyone should adhere to, I can't look it up in a dictionary and get an exact meaning for what it is. It is a speculative term that is open to interpretation.

Tiger Woods was a world class golfer before he won his first tournament for instance. We didn't have to wait for him to win 10 majors before you could see the class oozing out of his play.

All I know is I can't think of many left sided players in the world that I would trade Bale for at the moment.

 

[Roberts84]

7 of our 8 goals have been either score or set up by Bale so at the moment he is undroppable

 

[Mr Pink]

Have to agree with the assertion that he isn't world class yet. He hasn't being doing it for long enough yet and hasn't competed on the biggest stages yet. I think he will be world class though providing he stays on course.

Any player is droppable, but would agree he would have to go through a bit of a slump if he was being dropped for poor form.

But, as somebody has already pointed out, he should be managed properly. We have a large squad and we need to use it. I too would consider having him on the bench this weekend due to being away long distance mid week and looking quite tired against Wigan.

 

[nailsy]

Every player in our squad is droppable. Theres no way he can play every game this season so he's going to have to be dropped for a few games. He's certainly our best player at the moment though so I'd say he's undroppable for the big games.

I'd also agree that he's not quite World Class yet, but then everyones definition of world class is different. For me he would have to be one of the top four or five left wingers or left backs in the world to be called world class. Hopefully he'll get a chance to prove his value on the world stage with Wales one day, but I think his performances in the champions league and premiership should be enough to judge him on - exactly like everyone does with Ryan Giggs.

On a side note do people think King is worldclass? He's never had the chance to play in the champions league before and he's only been a bit part player for England so never really had much chance to prove himself on the world stage.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Every player in our squad is droppable. Theres no way he can play every game this season so he's going to have to be dropped for a few games. He's certainly our best player at the moment though so I'd say he's undroppable for the big games.

I'd also agree that he's not quite World Class yet, but then everyones definition of world class is different. For me he would have to be one of the top four or five left wingers or left backs in the world to be called world class. Hopefully he'll get a chance to prove his value on the world stage with Wales one day, but I think his performances in the champions league and premiership should be enough to judge him on - exactly like everyone does with Ryan Giggs.

On a side note do people think King is worldclass? He's never had the chance to play in the champions league before and he's only been a bit part player for England so never really had much chance to prove himself on the world stage.

He has all the attributes to have been considered one of the best defenders to play the game ever. But due to his club and an unfortunate set of injuries, I can't put him in the World Class bracket. But we all know he would have been one of the best.

 

[chrissivad]

not world class
not undroppable

but prity difficult to drop him at the moment. If he loses his place at LM he will go in at LB at the moment.

 

[mattstev2000]

He has all the attributes to have been considered one of the best defenders to play the game ever. But due to his club and an unfortunate set of injuries, I can't put him in the World Class bracket. But we all know he would have been one of the best.

I know this is veering off the Bale topic but...

If doing it at the top level is your definition of world class then do you rate Phil and Gary Neville as world class players? After all, they've consistently performed in the champions league and won titles galore but I wouldn't put them anywhere near the world class bracket.

 

[WhiteStripe]

I know this is veering off the Bale topic but...

If doing it at the top level is your definition of world class then do you rate Phil and Gary Neville as world class players? After all, they've consistently performed in the champions league and won titles galore but I wouldn't put them anywhere near the world class bracket.

Phil Neville - no way.
Gary neville - yes (sort of).

Gary is closer than Phil as I believe he was a very good right back for one of the best teams in the world for a long time. He showed it in all levels of the game. For me there have been few better over his career in his position, certainly in the EPL and I always had him in my starting 11 for both England and United. I believe he has done enough to warrent being considered world class in his position over the time he played there.

 

[mattstev2000]

Phil Neville - no way.
Gary neville - yes (sort of).

Gary is closer than Phil as I believe he was a very good right back for one of the best teams in the world for a long time. He showed it in all levels of the game. For me there have been few better over his career in his position, certainly in the EPL and I always had him in my starting 11 for both England and United. I believe he has done enough to warrent being considered world class in his position over the time he played there.

Fair enough and I can understand your logic. Just different strokes for different folks and all that I suppose.

 

[$hoguN]

I disagree with the assertion that you have to "do it" in CL and internationally to be 'World Class'; however the accolade of 'World Class' is too commonly thrown around and should really only be used to describe players who have been fantastic in their role for a number of year i.e. Messi has been great for years now so is entilted to be called World Class, similar can be said for Ronaldo/Villa/Robben or another player of that calibre. Having one good year doesn't put you in the same bracket as those players, even if you are the best player in your league that year. The term 'World Class' should be used to recognised players who prove they can do it year after year, and its disrespectful to those top players to place Bale in that class at that moment.

 

[Kendall]

Gary Neville was consistently class for years

 

[mattstev2000]

Gary Neville was consistently class for years

Working class?

 

[mil1lion]

I think you've got too stringent a definition of world class.

If you have to wait for him to have 5 good seasons at the absolute top level before you're happy calling him world class that's fine. I disagree with your definition of world class and prefer to use it more as a judge of the talent that the player has.

World class isn't a set in stone definition that everyone should adhere to, I can't look it up in a dictionary and get an exact meaning for what it is. It is a speculative term that is open to interpretation.

Tiger Woods was a world class golfer before he won his first tournament for instance. We didn't have to wait for him to win 10 majors before you could see the class oozing out of his play.

All I know is I can't think of many left sided players in the world that I would trade Bale for at the moment.

While I agree that some players turn world class younger than others, I still have to see Bale perform at the highest standard. In other words, on the Champions League stage.

Take Messi and Fabregas for example. They broke through at an early age (earlier than Bale) yet they have proven to be great in the Champions League, aswell as El Classico (for Messi) and against the top teams in England (for Fabregas).

While Bale has only had 1 game against Chelsea where he ripped them apart. He has yet to do so against the likes of United and Arsenal. Not to mention against the likes of Inter and Breman which he will have the chance to do.

He could be classed as a World Class player by the end of this season.