Bale undroppable?

[mil1lion]

On a side note do people think King is worldclass? He's never had the chance to play in the champions league before and he's only been a bit part player for England so never really had much chance to prove himself on the world stage.

For me, you have to perform in the Champions League at the highest level. If not, the World Cup.

But that is simply down to the fact that King hasn't had the chance to do those things (aside from 1 half in the World Cup :bang

If he performs in this years Champions League, I would class him as a World Class player. He has consistently performed against the top teams in England for a number of years now.

But to do it in the biggest tournament is what seperates World Class players from everyone else. Simply because to be World Class is to be able to compete against any team at any level.

Competing in England is not enough on its own.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

No, not undroppable. No player is undroppable - that's the point of having a squad. Yes, he's a fan-cocking-tastic player and, if fit, i rejoice to see him on the pitch but he's by no means undroppable.

We have a dirth of talent across our midfield but, as we saw against Wigan and, to some degree, against Citeh, it's not impossible to shut him out of the game. Equally, i'd still have Crabman in at left back, even if Harry did choose to send out a midfield without Bale - defensively, he's leaps and bounds ahead of Bale right now.

Niko & Luka have both shown their talent out on that left side, now we can add VDV to that list. Just because they can't run at 8 bajillion mph it doesn't mean we'd be any worse off. Ginola wasn't a whippet yet he managed to light up the park every time he played so, whilst i appreciate the huge contribution he makes and the fear he can put up his opposing number, to say he's undroppable is foolhardy.

I agree with this.

Remember, this IS Spurs Community. For some, he's only ever a couple of misjudgements/poor passes away from being a **** again.

 

[sloth]

There's a difference between being rotated and being dropped, for all that managers are wont to use the 'rotated' euphemism to sugar the 'dropped' pill

 

[davros]

No, not undroppable. No player is undroppable - that's the point of having a squad. Yes, he's a fan-cocking-tastic player and, if fit, i rejoice to see him on the pitch but he's by no means undroppable.

We have a dirth of talent across our midfield but, as we saw against Wigan and, to some degree, against Citeh, it's not impossible to shut him out of the game. Equally, i'd still have Crabman in at left back, even if Harry did choose to send out a midfield without Bale - defensively, he's leaps and bounds ahead of Bale right now.

Niko & Luka have both shown their talent out on that left side, now we can add VDV to that list. Just because they can't run at 8 bajillion mph it doesn't mean we'd be any worse off. Ginola wasn't a whippet yet he managed to light up the park every time he played so, whilst i appreciate the huge contribution he makes and the fear he can put up his opposing number, to say he's undroppable is foolhardy.

I pretty much agree. Except with the highlighted part. I think we have lot of talent in our midfield as well as a very decent LB which make Bale 'rotatable' and should keep him fighting to earn his place in the team.

 

[Legend10]

Bale is most definitely world class!

He is one of the stand out players in the Premiership which along with La Liga is 1 of the 2 best leagues in the world.

Bale would walk into a Premiership XI anyday of the week.

 

[Son_Of]

You cannot band the term WORLD CLASS round like this. Seriously. Being considered world class surely should be the highest praise you can give a player. bale has not been consistent enough for long enough at a level high enough to have this heaped on him.

He hasn't even played in a major tournament yet.

oh sorry sir. actually i'm not. i will band the term around exactly like that. the highest praise you can give a player is to say he's the best in the world of all time. bale is not that obviously. to me he is world class. i think he is one of the very best in his position in the world. i think he is one of the most dangerous and effective players in the premiership.

it's nonsense to say someone can't be world class when they are newish. i don't think that even warrants a proper rebuttal

hasn't played a major tournament? for me there is no bigger tournament than the premier league. the only comp worthy of being mentioned in the same breath are the CL and the other top leagues like la liga. world cup can fuck right off

Bale is most definitely world class!

He is one of the stand out players in the Premiership which along with La Liga is 1 of the 2 best leagues in the world.

Bale would walk into a Premiership XI anyday of the week.

thank you. i agree with the entirety of this post.

 

[Gassin's finest]

You have to be proven at the highest internationa levels to be considered world class, ie. International Tournaments or European Semi Finals upwards. Until a player has competed on a world stage, it's not a label that can be given.

 

[Son_Of]

You have to be proven at the highest internationa levels to be considered world class, ie. International Tournaments or European Semi Finals upwards. Until a player has competed on a world stage, it's not a label that can be given.

you have to be proven at the highest level. to me that is the highest echelons of club football. international football is a sideshow. european cup knockout stages equivalent to crunch games against top sides in premiership. see spurs wins over arsenal, chelsea, city at the end of last season

 

[mil1lion]

Bale is most definitely world class!

He is one of the stand out players in the Premiership which along with La Liga is 1 of the 2 best leagues in the world.

Bale would walk into a Premiership XI anyday of the week.

I don't think he would walk past A.Cole and Malouda or Evra and Nani/Giggs. Sure he's on top form, but what has he really done to be considered world class?

The only top team he has really torn into is Chelsea at home. But I thought we as a team tore them apart.

I do think he'll be able to do it on the big stage sooner or later, but until he does, he is not world class.

 

[walworthyid]

I know he did achieve things at the highest level, but Henry never REALLY did it for Arsenal when it counted and certainly was never as good for France as he was for Arsenal? Yet in my opinion he was the best player in the world for about a year as Figo and Zidane were on the way down.

Messi also never quite does it for Argentina.

George Best also never played in a major tournament.

Bale isn't world class right now, but he has world class ability and although you do have to play at the highest level possible, I think you can be considered world class even if you don't win the cl or the world cup. It would basically mean that unless you play for Spain, Brazil or Italy and also play for Barca, Real, Bayern etc you can't be a world class player.

 

[Mullers]

No one is undroppable, it wasn't that long people on here were saying get rid of him. :lol:

 

[sloth]

you have to be proven at the highest level. to me that is the highest echelons of club football. international football is a sideshow. european cup knockout stages equivalent to crunch games against top sides in premiership. see spurs wins over arsenal, chelsea, city at the end of last season

I thought Ginola was World Class as was, for example, Hoddle. Neither had much success on the world stage though :shrug:

 

[Son_Of]

I thought Ginola was World Class as was, for example, Hoddle. Neither had much success on the world stage though :shrug:

so you're agreeing with me. or maybe even going past my position*, to be more extreme but on the same side compared to most in this thread.

* as regards definition of world class, not opinion on bale who you didn't mention

 

[sloth]

you have to be proven at the highest level. to me that is the highest echelons of club football. international football is a sideshow. european cup knockout stages equivalent to crunch games against top sides in premiership. see spurs wins over arsenal, chelsea, city at the end of last season

so you're agreeing with me. or maybe even going past my position*, to be more extreme but on the same side compared to most in this thread.

* as regards definition of world class, not opinion on bale who you didn't mention

Sorry, yes I was, even though I have to admit I thought you were saying the opposite as I replied to it

 

[Legend10]

I don't think he would walk past A.Cole and Malouda or Evra and Nani/Giggs. Sure he's on top form, but what has he really done to be considered world class?

The only top team he has really torn into is Chelsea at home. But I thought we as a team tore them apart.

I do think he'll be able to do it on the big stage sooner or later, but until he does, he is not world class.

You think Chelsea or Utd wouldn't swap Malouda or Giggs/Nani for Bale?

They'd both be biting our bloody hand off!

I can't believe anybody might even contemplate that Nani is better than Bale?

 

[mil1lion]

I'm not saying Nani is better. I'm saying Bale wouldn't walk into their teams.

Besides, Malouda is top quality. Coming off one hell of a full season helping Chelsea win the double. So no, I don't think they would trade him for Bale. Nani also had a great season, and although I don't think he's as good as Bale, on his day he is a top class player. Not to mention Giggs who still does the sort of things Bale can only dream of at this moment in his career.

Bale has been great since January. I have no doubt he can keep it up, but at this point in time he hasn't done enough to be considered world class.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

No one is undroppable - he just is right now when taken into the context of his last 6 month's performances, and the dynamics of our squad. In the same way that Modric & Gomes are undroppable also. (and Palacios for me as well).

He still has a fuck of a lot to learn though, and Malouda is the best LM/LW in the EPL at the moment and there are several LB's who can defend better than Bale.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

And for the record international football achievement is meaningless in terms of a players quality. I think League football in several leagues is of a higher general standard than international football.

 

[Spurz]

This season will prove if he is world class. Last season, everybody was in awe of him, learning to cope, fearing he will push the ball pass them. This season so far, teams have learned. They have double teamed him, pushed him into blind alleys and brought him down if necessary. If he can overcome all that, then yes... if not, he will be known as yet another 1 trick pony.

 

[Garm]

His performances the last year or so has been world class. So world class atm, but if he'll be considered wc after his career ends is a different question.

All you who say he's not wc, how long does he have to perform like this to fall into this category?