Bentley

[jamesc0le]

then again you could bench bentley, but let him know there's a high probability you're gonna use him in the game, somewhere in the midfield, and that you want the dedication he has been showing , and to try to show the quality too. give him at least fifteen and we can all see if his attitude is really turning the corner or if he's still the same sulky guy we've seen before. let's be honest bentley's attitude needs constant checking..

 

[gregga]

Do you think? Everyone who i was standing around was really critical of him, and if you compare his use of the ball to Huddlestone's, who kept the ball moving with three touches from side to side, which is the way to beat these teams, then i thought he was poor.

This thread is about Bentley, so i dont want to sidetrack it to much, but 2 years ago i got Jenas on the back of my shirt and absolutely loved him. Sadly, i just dont see any progress. For someone that has double figures of England caps, i just expect him to drive the team on from midfield far more than he does, especially against that calibre of opposition. He's 26 now, and for me, thats old enough for us to expect more than what we are getting, especially as he has all the raw materials to be a great player.

People are critical of Jenas no matter how he plays. Same with Bent, and Bentley (though clearly people are warming to him).

How a player is received by the fans is sadly not a solid indicator of well they are actually playing.

 

[jrio]

Fact is, for someone who has been a nailed on first teamer and been brilliant at his job for ages to lose his place, as some are suggesting should happen with Lennon, the guy who comes in for him has to actual perform not only as well as his competitor, but better, doing things that his competitor cannot do.

Lennon can still do what Bentley can't, no matter how well Bentley does, and that is not Bentley's fault, Lennon is a far quicker player with unbelievable close control while running at pace. Because of the improvement in Lennons crossing, it cannot even be said that Bentley's delivery gives him the edge, as shown by Lennon being the leagues 2nd highest assister despite suffering 2 big injuries (thank you refs for refusing to book thugs v Stoke and Spammers untill the final minutes where, knowing they could get away with it, they crocked Lennon).

Like I said earlier, if Bentley starts producing Messi style performances where he is perfect in everything he does in almost every game, he can take Lennons place. I personally don't see it happening.

I am delighted that Bentley is playing well, it gives us time to take care of Lennons injury properly and not rush him back, but Lennon was in blistering form pre injury, far beyond what Bentley is currently showing, and dropping him would not make sense to me.

BBLG, I imagine you never bother to write an essay when you feel there might be a book in it, or perhaps a trilogy.

Bentley's delivery gives him more than an edge, a whole different level. Despite Lennon's improvement on crossing(and let's face it, that's an improvement on absolutely dire), Bentley is clearly far better at crossing.

Lennon only has pace over Bentley. His control isn't better, except when using his pace. Bentley is easily more able to control a ball, trick his way past players and misdirect them. He has more vision and better ball retention, something clearly lacking in Lennon's game. Bentley can deliver corner and free-kicks much more effectively than Lennon. From distance his ability to threaten goal is far more obvious than that seen with Lennon.

We're starting to see the return of the £15m man. I didn't think it would happen, but the evidence is there for all to see. What would put the seal on it would be a match-winning performance against Villa.

 

[donny1013]

BBLG, I imagine you never bother to write an essay when you feel there might be a book in it, or perhaps a trilogy.

Bentley's delivery gives him more than an edge, a whole different level. Despite Lennon's improvement on crossing(and let's face it, that's an improvement on absolutely dire), Bentley is clearly far better at crossing.

Lennon only has pace over Bentley. His control isn't better, except when using his pace. Bentley is easily more able to control a ball, trick his way past players and misdirect them. He has more vision and better ball retention, something clearly lacking in Lennon's game. Bentley can deliver corner and free-kicks much more effectively than Lennon. From distance his ability to threaten goal is far more obvious than that seen with Lennon.

We're starting to see the return of the £15m man. I didn't think it would happen, but the evidence is there for all to see. What would put the seal on it would be a match-winning performance against Villa.

Both players have many positives, to say Lennon only has pace over Bentley is a bit OTT to be honest. If you want to see a winger with amazing pace and little else have a look down the road at a kid called Walcott. Lennon and Bentley are basically chalk and cheese in terms of their different attributes and IF Bentley keeps it up then we have two very good options on the right. I would still pick Lennon over Bentley as Lennon has been consistently class for one and a half seasons now.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

BBLG, I imagine you never bother to write an essay when you feel there might be a book in it, or perhaps a trilogy.

Bentley's delivery gives him more than an edge, a whole different level. Despite Lennon's improvement on crossing(and let's face it, that's an improvement on absolutely dire), Bentley is clearly far better at crossing.

Lennon only has pace over Bentley. His control isn't better, except when using his pace. Bentley is easily more able to control a ball, trick his way past players and misdirect them. He has more vision and better ball retention, something clearly lacking in Lennon's game. Bentley can deliver corner and free-kicks much more effectively than Lennon. From distance his ability to threaten goal is far more obvious than that seen with Lennon.

We're starting to see the return of the £15m man. I didn't think it would happen, but the evidence is there for all to see. What would put the seal on it would be a match-winning performance against Villa.

When Bentley can control a 50 yard high ball from the defence perfectly with his first touch while on the run I'll accept that Lennon doesn't have superior control. Luckily for us this is something Lennon can do, and regularly, his touch and control is amongst the best around.

Bentley is undoubtedly a better set piece taker.

I'd say there's not much to choose between them in terms of goals from open play, but Lennon is more likely to get the chances.

Lennon is a superb passer down the middle, I haven't seen enough of Bentley doing this to judge but when he starts doing it I'll be able to compare.

As for Bentley having better ball retention, I'm not quite sure on what you base this on. I cannot remember, apart from the Wolves game where he was bad, a single game where Lennon can be accused of not keeping us in possession. He finds so many passes it's untrue, because when it isn't viable to get the ball into the box he always finds a midfielder or full back.

As for Lennons crossing, it's improved enough to mean that he has made 9 goals in the league so far this season, a figure only bettered by Fabregas. I reckon that means far more than anything else.

As for the essay/ book/ trilogy comment, I'm not sure why you think I'll be insulted by you pointing out my verbose nature, it is something I quite like about myself. If you want to find a sore point, look harder than that.

Back to Wengers shlong for you I think :wink:

Oh, and the reason I haven't bothered contesting your point about Bentley being more able to beat a man with a trick, well I think that point is ridiculous enough for all to see that it need no be disproved. It's like saying that a diet of mars bars and mcdonalds is good for you.

 

[jamesc0le]

BBLG, I imagine you never bother to write an essay when you feel there might be a book in it, or perhaps a trilogy.

Bentley's delivery gives him more than an edge, a whole different level. Despite Lennon's improvement on crossing(and let's face it, that's an improvement on absolutely dire), Bentley is clearly far better at crossing.

Lennon only has pace over Bentley. His control isn't better, except when using his pace. Bentley is easily more able to control a ball, trick his way past players and misdirect them. He has more vision and better ball retention, something clearly lacking in Lennon's game. Bentley can deliver corner and free-kicks much more effectively than Lennon. From distance his ability to threaten goal is far more obvious than that seen with Lennon.

We're starting to see the return of the £15m man. I didn't think it would happen, but the evidence is there for all to see. What would put the seal on it would be a match-winning performance against Villa.

:rofl:

:duh:

 

[Legend10]

Great to see David playing well, he has a lot of ability and when he channels it correctly is a very good player.

 

[alfiespurs]

I have been impressed with Bentley in his last three games ... The lad has really started to justify why we bought him! Just hope he stays on the right path UP THE SPURS !!!

 

[thinktank]

Bentley changed his boots from those snub-nosed puma spoons he was wearing - now sporting sleek addidas numbers. Game changer for him, literally. Back to his old self.

Got the boots he used to wear so I'm aware of how difficult it is to get under the ball properly, especially for a cross/free kick specialist who trades on his accuracy/precision.

New boots, new Dave (same as the old Dave....).

 

[richardyoon]

Bentley changed his boots from those snub-nosed puma spoons he was wearing - now sporting sleek addidas numbers. Game changer for him, literally. Back to his old self.

Got the boots he used to wear so I'm aware of how difficult it is to get under the ball properly, especially for a cross/free kick specialist who trades on his accuracy/precision.

New boots, new Dave (same as the old Dave....).

interesting...just out of curiousity where'd you get this bit of info?

 

[jrio]

When Bentley can control a 50 yard high ball from the defence perfectly with his first touch while on the run I'll accept that Lennon doesn't have superior control. Luckily for us this is something Lennon can do, and regularly, his touch and control is amongst the best around.

Bentley is undoubtedly a better set piece taker.

I'd say there's not much to choose between them in terms of goals from open play, but Lennon is more likely to get the chances.

Lennon is a superb passer down the middle, I haven't seen enough of Bentley doing this to judge but when he starts doing it I'll be able to compare.

As for Bentley having better ball retention, I'm not quite sure on what you base this on. I cannot remember, apart from the Wolves game where he was bad, a single game where Lennon can be accused of not keeping us in possession. He finds so many passes it's untrue, because when it isn't viable to get the ball into the box he always finds a midfielder or full back.

As for Lennons crossing, it's improved enough to mean that he has made 9 goals in the league so far this season, a figure only bettered by Fabregas. I reckon that means far more than anything else.

As for the essay/ book/ trilogy comment, I'm not sure why you think I'll be insulted by you pointing out my verbose nature, it is something I quite like about myself. If you want to find a sore point, look harder than that.

Back to Wengers shlong for you I think :wink:

Oh, and the reason I haven't bothered contesting your point about Bentley being more able to beat a man with a trick, well I think that point is ridiculous enough for all to see that it need no be disproved. It's like saying that a diet of mars bars and mcdonalds is good for you.

Yes, Lennon's renowned for that, it's regularly commented on whenever the range of his abilities are raised.

I shouldn't place too much store by stats, they'll tell you things that defied what you saw with your own eyes. Assists are for Fantasy Football Leagues, not serious football observers. I don't need stats to tell me what a great player Fabio is, and neither does anyone else.

Lennon regularly loses possession, partly because in many games he is double-marked, but often because he is dispossessed when running into block defending. Surprised you haven't seen that, but then often it's a case of only remembering what is convenient.

You're too in love with your own voice, BBLG, that's the point I was making. I'm not surprised that you don't find it insulting. As the saying goes, if you were made of chocolate, you'd eat yourself. :grin:

Yeah, don't bother contesting that point about Bentley's trickery, your rainbow coloured lenses wouldn't have seen it. I might have made a point about Ginola not being worried about doing any defending, and I don't suppose you'd have seen what I was referring to there, either.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yes, Lennon's renowned for that, it's regularly commented on whenever the range of his abilities are raised.

I shouldn't place too much store by stats, they'll tell you things that defied what you saw with your own eyes. Assists are for Fantasy Football Leagues, not serious football observers. I don't need stats to tell me what a great player Fabio is, and neither does anyone else.

Lennon regularly loses possession, partly because in many games he is double-marked, but often because he is dispossessed when running into block defending. Surprised you haven't seen that, but then often it's a case of only remembering what is convenient.

You're too in love with your own voice, BBLG, that's the point I was making. I'm not surprised that you don't find it insulting. As the saying goes, if you were made of chocolate, you'd eat yourself. :grin:

Yeah, don't bother contesting that point about Bentley's trickery, your rainbow coloured lenses wouldn't have seen it. I might have made a point about Ginola not being worried about doing any defending, and I don't suppose you'd have seen what I was referring to there, either.

Err, as for your first paragraph, despite the fact that you're being sarcastic it doesn't mean that you're not absolutely speaking sense for once. He does do it regularly and it is often commented.

As for eating myself if I was made of chocolate, I'd eat myself if i was made of shit, I'm just that good.:wink:

Regarding you assertion that I wear tinted specs, that's bollocks, I've never once ignores a good performance from a player I dislike or a bad one from a player I like. I also fully appreciate that bentley has his own bag of tricks, but it is still ridiculous to believe that bentley is fit to tie lennons boots when or cones to dribbling. As for implying that I'm not a serious watcher of the game, not sure what to say to that as it's a bit too childish to respond to. Lastly, yes, I could tell that ginola didn't track back and in ny opinion he was justified in not wasting his energy doing something he was bad at. Same for berbatov. I only wish we had a player now of such ability that he'd be entitled to just be an attacker.

 

[jrio]

Err, as for your first paragraph, despite the fact that you're being sarcastic it doesn't mean that you're not absolutely speaking sense for once. He does do it regularly and it is often commented.

As for eating myself if I was made of chocolate, I'd eat myself if i was made of shit, I'm just that good.:wink:

Regarding you assertion that I wear tinted specs, that's bollocks, I've never once ignores a good performance from a player I dislike or a bad one from a player I like. I also fully appreciate that bentley has his own bag of tricks, but it is still ridiculous to believe that bentley is fit to tie lennons boots when or cones to dribbling. As for implying that I'm not a serious watcher of the game, not sure what to say to that as it's a bit too childish to respond to. Lastly, yes, I could tell that ginola didn't track back and in ny opinion he was justified in not wasting his energy doing something he was bad at. Same for berbatov. I only wish we had a player now of such ability that he'd be entitled to just be an attacker.

Err, no it isn't. I won't say he's never done it, but it's hardly a signature feature.

Eating yourself if you were made of shit makes no sense, as if you were some kind of coprophiliac. You do talk a lot of shit but I can't see you eating it. Perhaps the insult escapes you.

It's hard to take you too seriously, mostly because you write opinions for effect rather than for consideration, as if you want to gain marks in an essay writing contest.

Lastly, one facet of yourself that I had never fully appreciated is that you write such poetry, such bloody awful poetry. I know you'll understand that reference.:wink:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Oooh ouch, you don't like my poems. I think I'm going to cry. It's ok, it brings pleasure to others and that's the intention, if you don't like it then don't read it.

As for the insult, I just dint feel insulted when someone says I love myself or that I'm arrogant. I know I am, I embrace it even, and it's part of how I learn because if I am incorrect in something which I say with too much confidence, I'll get informed as such and put right. I love being shown to be wrong, it shows a. That someone else is paying me enough attention to catch out my flaws and correct me, and b. It often sparks good discussion.

Not sure where this 'writes comments for effect rather than for consoderation' issue of yours comes from but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Oh, well done for singlehandedly putting an end to what was a pretty good discussion about the merits of bentley keeping his place when Lennon is fit, intruding into a discussion that didn't involve you and taking away from it with an off topic assault on my charcter. I hope this has scratched you itch for now and you stop webstalking me for a while, these random and irrelevant put downs are become irksome and all because you still upset that I reported a vulgar and abusive post of yours several months ago.

 

[jrio]

Oooh ouch, you don't like my poems. I think I'm going to cry. It's ok, it brings pleasure to others and that's the intention, if you don't like it then don't read it.

As for the insult, I just dint feel insulted when someone says I love myself or that I'm arrogant. I know I am, I embrace it even, and it's part of how I learn because if I am incorrect in something which I say with too much confidence, I'll get informed as such and put right. I love being shown to be wrong, it shows a. That someone else is paying me enough attention to catch out my flaws and correct me, and b. It often sparks good discussion.

Not sure where this 'writes comments for effect rather than for consoderation' issue of yours comes from but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Oh, well done for singlehandedly putting an end to what was a pretty good discussion about the merits of bentley keeping his place when Lennon is fit, intruding into a discussion that didn't involve you and taking away from it with an off topic assault on my charcter. I hope this has scratched you itch for now and you stop webstalking me for a while, these random and irrelevant put downs are become irksome and all because you still upset that I reported a vulgar and abusive post of yours several months ago.

Frankly Mr BBLG, I had to read it to know I didn't like it, not having pre-cognitive powers. That's how criticism and experience works.

All topics are open to intrusion by any party with points to make on the subject matter. "Webstalking me" is, I think, another sign of your arrogance and bloated self-importance. No doubt you'll thank me for informing and correcting you. IIRC, we have had only one exchange in the 3 odd years I've been a member, one regarding the merits of the player your monicker is based upon.

Thanks for telling me about that report of yours. I wasn't aware of it, but it fits you to a tee.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Frankly Mr BBLG, I had to read it to know I didn't like it, not having pre-cognitive powers. That's how criticism and experience works.

All topics are open to intrusion by any party with points to make on the subject matter. "Webstalking me" is, I think, another sign of your arrogance and bloated self-importance. No doubt you'll thank me for informing and correcting you. IIRC, we have had only one exchange in the 3 odd years I've been a member, one regarding the merits of the player your monicker is based upon.

Thanks for telling me about that report of yours. I wasn't aware of it, but it fits you to a tee.

so I'm imagining the post on my visitor messages area of my profile, posted not long after a I reprted you for an abusive and foul mouthed comment to me in a thread, for which you received an infraction, where you call me an utter tool and tell me how small I am?

As for webstalking me, I can't think of a better way to describe the infrequent but out standing interjections you make into my conversations with others that in no way relate to the topic but instead make sarcastic and unprovoked slights towards me.

As for my arrogance, i was only laughing at myself, and Moreau, you, with my comments to you in this thread. I don't actually admit to arrogance, and I certainly wouldn't be proud of it if I was. If it is really that easy to infer such self loving from my comments, I can assure you that it's not my intention, but I don't think anyone apart from you cares enough to read that much into my tone anyway.

I'm off to sleep now. If you really must continue this, pm me, this once decent thread has been ruined enough.

 

[mike_l]

Oooh ouch, you don't like my poems. I think I'm going to cry. It's ok, it brings pleasure to others and that's the intention, if you don't like it then don't read it.

As for the insult, I just dint feel insulted when someone says I love myself or that I'm arrogant. I know I am, I embrace it even, and it's part of how I learn because if I am incorrect in something which I say with too much confidence, I'll get informed as such and put right. I love being shown to be wrong, it shows a. That someone else is paying me enough attention to catch out my flaws and correct me, and b. It often sparks good discussion.

Not sure where this 'writes comments for effect rather than for consoderation' issue of yours comes from but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Oh, well done for singlehandedly putting an end to what was a pretty good discussion about the merits of bentley keeping his place when Lennon is fit, intruding into a discussion that didn't involve you and taking away from it with an off topic assault on my charcter. I hope this has scratched you itch for now and you stop webstalking me for a while, these random and irrelevant put downs are become irksome and all because you still upset that I reported a vulgar and abusive post of yours several months ago.

Pardon my intrusion but how does this occur on a public forum?

To get back onto the Bentley-Lennon topic, I have to say that I haven't noticed Lennon taking a 50 yard pass down with one touch as a particularly prominent part of his game. The only thing I can think of is Huddlestones floated passes across the width of the pitch, which are often pretty slow and I'd be disappointed if any of our highly paid professionals could NOT do that.

It's not right to say that Bentley should be ahead of Lennon in the pecking order, BUT, he is doing well and creating goals in Lennons absence, if he continues to do so then it would be wrong to just shunt him out of the side as soon as Lennon is fit.

I think most are just happy that Bentley is actually putting in some decent performances, which after 2 years may have lead to some getting carried away.

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

Lennon is one of the best wingers in the WORLD. He definitely should walk back in the side.

 

[lukespurs7]

We've all known he's got ability from the day we signed him, from his time at Blackburn he was the second best winger in the prem behind Ronaldo scoring goals and getting many assists in an improving Blackburn team.
He put in such an impressive performance vs Leeds,if he can play like that again vs Villa he will 100% deserve to keep Lennon out the team. + his attitude post match was fantastic.

 

[StartingPrice]

Lennon is one of the best wingers in the WORLD. He definitely should walk back in the side.

I don't want to sound like I am knocking AL, but I think a little moderation is in order. He has been in excpetional form since breaking back into the team and displacing DB, largely thanks to the fact that he has actually learned how to deliver the ball. One of the best in the World - he's perfomred decently in a pretty mediocre WC group; never played in the Champs League, and his appearances at International level need to be qualified.

David bentley is a better deliverer of the ball than AL - I repeat, as said above, if DBs form is so good that by the time AL is (FULLY) fit, I am sure many Spurs fans will feel he should stay in the side. He was England winger in residence before his decline and fall under Wandery Ramos:shrug: