Benzema linked? Do we need him?

[tooey]

exactly, to say Defoe has no movement is deluded at best. His movement has become one of his main strengths.

He has fanstastic movement, his hold up/link up play has improved 10 fold and he knows where the back of the net is. If he just had a bit more intelligence on the ball and was maybe a little less greedy at times he'd be up there with the best.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I think that's harsh. Don't forget he's been out for months.

Don't get me wrong, I am well aware of his short comings, but the fact that he can run faster than a snail gives him something none of our other strikers have

I'm more than happy to keep Defoe. His form may be patchy, but when he's on it he's absolutely lethal, and to suggest he has 'no movement' is clearly just wrong. His timing's a bit dodgy at times - we all know the issues he has with being offside - but he's a threat, and he does more with the ball at his feet than some give him credit for.

A striker with limits he may be, but he is - in my opinion anyway - a class above our other current strikers (not that that's saying much mind you)

But I'm also not forgetting the last 7 months of last season when he was his usual disappointing self again with no excuse.

I know he's not that bad, especially as an impact sub, but we're not going to progress any more if remains anywhere near our starting 11.

For me Pav's still the best of the bad lot, but there's not much between any of them.

Your blinkered analysis betrays your prejudice. Defoe ran the channels very well in the second half. He constantly stretched Koscielny down the inside right channel, and the uncertainty it caused in their defence was once of the factors that enabled us to get into the game.

Yeah, he did alright; but I've seen enough of him over the last decade to know he'll never be good enough to succeed at this level (i.e. top 4).

 

[Ron Burgundy]

But I'm also not forgetting the last 7 months of last season when he was his usual disappointing self again with no excuse.

I know he's not that bad, especially as an impact sub, but we're not going to progress any more if remains anywhere near our starting 11.

For me Pav's still the best of the bad lot, but there's not much between any of them.

I know his scoring record was poor towards the back end of last season, but I actually felt his all round play, and his ability to stretch defenses helped us quite a lot. Furthermore, he suffered more than anyone from the injury to Lennon - those two played very well together for an extended period of games

 

[tooey]

But I'm also not forgetting the last 7 months of last season when he was his usual disappointing self again with no excuse.

I know he's not that bad, especially as an impact sub, but we're not going to progress any more if remains anywhere near our starting 11.

For me Pav's still the best of the bad lot, but there's not much between any of them.



Yeah, he did alright; but I've seen enough of him over the last decade to know he'll never be good enough to succeed at this level (i.e. top 4).

You have to be joking. Your bias is unbelieveable. Ive seen enough of defoe to know that he's a player that will score you a decent amount of goals every season, pav wont.

 

[Coyboy]

Defoe has no movement? What absolute tosh.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

You have to be joking. Your bias is unbelieveable. Ive seen enough of defoe to know that he's a player that will score you a decent amount of goals every season, pav wont.

In the past 3 seasons:

Pav - 1 goal per 131 minutes
VdV - 1 goal per 133 minutes
Defoe 1 goal per 144 minutes
Bent - 1 goal per 164 minutes
Keane - 1 goal per 202 minutes
Crouch - 1 goal per 220 minutes

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Spurs_Strike-Rates_Last_3_Seasons.html


Pav's definitely our most prolific finisher.

 

[tooey]

In the past 3 seasons:

Pav - 1 goal per 131 minutes
VdV - 1 goal per 133 minutes
Defoe 1 goal per 144 minutes
Bent - 1 goal per 164 minutes
Keane - 1 goal per 202 minutes
Crouch - 1 goal per 220 minutes

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Spurs_Strike-Rates_Last_3_Seasons.html


Pav's definitely our most prolific finisher.

*scorer

I would put my money on defoe over pav on a 1v1 anyday. As for having a nack of being in the right place at the right time, yes pav is probably better. Id like to see the average yards run per game for each player. Or the average times each player loses possesion. I am not saying pav is shit, because he's not. I just rate defoe higher myself. We are all entitled to opinions

 

[THOWIG]

Blow our load on Lukaku

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

*scorer

I would put my money on defoe over pav on a 1v1 anyday. As for having a nack of being in the right place at the right time, yes pav is probably better. Id like to see the average yards run per game for each player. Or the average times each player loses possesion. I am not saying pav is shit, because he's not. I just rate defoe higher myself. We are all entitled to opinions

Probably agree with the finisher/scorer distinction actually.

It's Pav's intelligent positioning that sets him apart.

I know Pav's not as accurate from distance, but I'd back his temprement over Defoe's in a 1-on-1 with the keeper situation.

 

[SpurSince57]

Blow our load on Lukaku

He would be a gamble, as he's still a kid, but I've seen a reasonable amount of him (I go over to Belgium several times a year and catch their equivalent of MOTD at the hotel) and he's certainly looked mightily impressive—junior Drogba certainly isn't overstating it.

 

[danielneeds]

He would be a gamble, as he's still a kid, but I've seen a reasonable amount of him (I go over to Belgium several times a year and catch their equivalent of MOTD at the hotel) and he's certainly looked mightily impressive—junior Drogba certainly isn't overstating it.

What would appeal to Levy about him is that if he was to score a fair amount in the PL his resale value would go through the roof.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

But Lukaku would still be expensive as everyone knows about him, and he would also be a gamble. I think Benzema or Suarez would be more benefit in the short term.

 

[SpurSince57]

Any decent (or even half-decent) striker is going to be expensive.

 

[Pinto]

What would appeal to Levy about him is that if he was to score a fair amount in the PL his resale value would go through the roof.

I actually don't think his resale value would go up that much because we are going to have to pay a boatload to get him. It might go up a bit and more than likely the good thing for Levy is he is young so his value won't dip like older players value has (keane comes to mind).

 

[Mr Pink]

Oh Jesus I sense another long running debate is about to start!

Defoe no movement!!!, he has that in spades and anybody who doesn't think that his presence alone for his ability to play off the shoulder wasn't part of our upturn in performance on Saturday is seriously misguided.

The Scum couldn't push up because of his presence and threat of pace to get in behind, furthermore it enabled is to actually push up. Its not so much what he did with the ball..it was his threat to stretch them and it visibly affected Arsenal. Yes VDV moving to the right and tucking in played a its part too but the directness and pace of Defoe was crucial to the way the game changed for both sides.

Benzema would be a serious addition, and would cap this squad off - cherry on the cake style.

 

[archiewasking]

We need somebody top drawer. Not like my underpants, mind.

 

[SpurSince57]

Oh Jesus I sense another long running debate is about to start!

Defoe no movement!!!, he has that in spades and anybody who doesn't think that his presence alone for his ability to play off the shoulder wasn't part of our upturn in performance on Saturday is seriously misguided.

The Scum couldn't push up because of his presence and threat of pace to get in behind, furthermore it enabled is to actually push up. Its not so much what he did with the ball..it was his threat to stretch them and it visibly affected Arsenal. Yes VDV moving to the right and tucking in played a its part too but the directness and pace of Defoe was crucial to the way the game changed for both sides.

Benzema would be a serious addition, and would cap this squad off - cherry on the cake style.

It's only 'Dan Ashcroft', who thinks Wendy Random is a 'world-class' manager. Not to be taken too seriously.

 

[scat1620]

[I like] Benzema

But I also like Suarez

But who's best? There's only one way to find out...

EDIT - d'oh, tRiKS beat me to this post about a page or two back... must learn to read whole threads before I post! :doh:

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Oh Jesus I sense another long running debate is about to start!

Defoe no movement!!!, he has that in spades and anybody who doesn't think that his presence alone for his ability to play off the shoulder wasn't part of our upturn in performance on Saturday is seriously misguided.

The Scum couldn't push up because of his presence and threat of pace to get in behind, furthermore it enabled is to actually push up. Its not so much what he did with the ball..it was his threat to stretch them and it visibly affected Arsenal. Yes VDV moving to the right and tucking in played a its part too but the directness and pace of Defoe was crucial to the way the game changed for both sides.

Benzema would be a serious addition, and would cap this squad off - cherry on the cake style.

It was always one of Jol's big criticisms of Defoe.

I think it's also a key reason why he simply gets dominated by good defenders and never troubles the top sides (he just bullies the poor ones).

Defoe is deceptively slow too. He has good acceleration over 2 yards, but rarely wins chases. As such a particularly high proportion of his goals seem to come when he's not goal side of the defence.

 

[brett.spurs]

Quick over 2 yards, so he burns out after his first stride then? :lol: