Berbatov should have been player of the year

[WildCard]

You are aware that football is not a game of facts, opinions are paramount, otherwise everything would be undisputed and boring as hell, the enjoyment of football is debating why someone is better than someone else. You think Berbatov, and the VAST majority thought Keane, you can't change their opinion, respect it, like they respect yours.

 

[nicdic]

The vast majority are wrong though. Keane hasn't been brilliant this season, and he'd be nothing without Berbatov, why is one being linked to the worlds biggest clubs for in excess of £30million, and the other unwanted by any of the big clubs?

 

[Real_madyidd]

The vast majority are wrong though. Keane hasn't been brilliant this season, and he'd be nothing without Berbatov, why is one being linked to the worlds biggest clubs for in excess of £30million, and the other unwanted by any of the big clubs?

bollocks. He was something before Berbatov, and will be something after. Berbs doesn't deserve player of the season either. In fact this season I really think too many of the players have let themselves down.

 

[WildCard]

I've always held the idea, or theory that when someone judges a player that can't be wrong, you can disagree to the nth degree, but it is an opinion, they made their choice you made yours. They are not wrong, your are not wrong, no-one is, you disagree and are crying over spilt milk.

 

[C0YS]

Look people just get over it okay keane won berba diddnt, and berba had a very similar run like Keane is having now at the start of the season!!

 

[nicdic]

Keane got 2 in 11 at the beginning of the season.

 

[C0YS]

Keane got 2 in 11 at the beginning of the season.

shuddap you know what I mean :lol:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I've always held the idea, or theory that when someone judges a player that can't be wrong, you can disagree to the nth degree, but it is an opinion, they made their choice you made yours. They are not wrong, your are not wrong, no-one is, you disagree and are crying over spilt milk.

You're wrong.

 

[LadieK]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Keano was the majority choice - it's not something that can be chnaged. Everyone had their own choice to make.

For whatever reason, be it the goals, the hard work, the tears - whatever, people had their own reasons for voting him and imo it was a well deserved win!

 

[SpurSince57]

The vast majority are wrong though. Keane hasn't been brilliant this season, and he'd be nothing without Berbatov, why is one being linked to the worlds biggest clubs for in excess of £30million, and the other unwanted by any of the big clubs?

Has anyone?

Nothing without Berbatov? :rofl::rofl:

 

[lily_lane]

I don't know how anyone can say that Berbatov's had a worse season this than last. Since the arrival of Ramos he's rarely put in a bad shift. The effort that Ramos has got out of him by switching his role slightly (reversing the roles Jol had incorrectly allocated) has trebled over what Jol got out of him last season and this. Goals, assists, talent and effort. For me this season he has actually shown greatness. It's the addition of that work ethic that has made him a great player as opposed to a player capable of great things. Which is what I was saying to Berbati previously. I've not had a grumble about Berbatov virtually since Ramos arrived.

In the abscence of Berbati, who seems to have given up the ghost, I've just read this post from jd80 on gg (a Bulgarian fan) and had to copy it here, as it answers in a nutshell the "Berbs is a lazy bastard with a bad attitude" brigade that DC so rightly says have gone to town on all the Spurs forums and websites, though I do accept the sentiment behind A&C's open letter about him. :wink:

The myth about Berbatov's laziness is due to two things. The first and more important is his "body language" which a big part of Spurs fans interpret roughly like this: "I'm pissed off with those average players, I'm too good to play for Spurs." And those fans say/think in reaction to this interpretation: "No, you are not too good. You are a lazy disinterested (unt."
The second reason for the widespread myth about Berbatov's lack of effort is the narrowmindedness of a good part of British fans who measure work rate only by one criterion: whether the player chases balls. If the player doesn't chase balls he doesn't show effort. He may score goals, make assits., win balls in the air, link up play, hold up the ball, help to defend from set pieces etc etc. But if he doesn't chase balls he is a lazy (unt.
Ramos is famous for his treatment of players who don't put much effort. He even deliberately left his team with ten players in a game in Spain because a footballer was lazy and ineffective and he subbed him. But he sees that Berbatov does a lot of work that fans cannot (or refuse to) notice and doesn't want to punish Berbatov when things go wrong as the player is not guilty that the service is dire. It's normal that he understands football better than (Keane's) fans as he is paid top money, and not those fans who constantly moan about the performances of the only player in Premiership who makes top 5 both goals and assists. wise.

I would just add that Berba himself said in response to this criticism last season: "I don't chase unreachable balls". :razz:

 

[Bonjour]

No, he shouldn't.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

In the abscence of Berbati, who seems to have given up the ghost, I've just read this post from jd80 on gg (a Bulgarian fan) and had to copy it here, as it answers in a nutshell the "Berbs is a lazy bastard with a bad attitude" brigade that DC so rightly says have gone to town on all the Spurs forums and websites, though I do accept the sentiment behind A&C's open letter about him. :wink:



I would just add that Berba himself said in response to this criticism last season: "I don't chase unreachable balls". :razz:

It was exactly the same kind of idiotic criticism that Kanoute received all the time. The fact that he actually worked harder than Keane, Defoe and Mido put together was missed by dimwits that only equate work with running around flapping your arms and wagging your finger at the ref.

What Kanoute always did was show up for the ball regardless of if he had a man up him or a header despite 9 out of ten times getting a clattering. Keane hop, skips and jumps his way round every challenge (another goal conceded saturday directly as a result of keanes cowardice) and happily flaps his arms as the ball is allowed to roll uncontested to the opposition.

I could live with Keanes abject lack of bollocks on the basis that he does score, if only people would realise the sacrifice that other members of the team make so that he can grab an unbalanced amount of the glory. It is this uneducated and misguided view that he is the hero of the team whilst all the other poor schmucks are the ones that put in the effort, take the injuries, and most of all the abuse (Jenas, Zokora, Lennon, Kanoute, Malbranque, Berbatov etc).

With the exception of about 3 cup games and two league games, how often has Keane given his all this season. People like Jenas, Malbranque, Woodgate, Hutton,Dawson and Zokora give it just about every week. Their best may not be as good as Keanes best but I find it annoying when a player shirks his responsibility. He's getting paid to live his dream. FFS give it your all. That's what great players do. Every week. That's why they win.

 

[DC_Boy]

Berbatov should have been player of the season, no doubt. Keane has had a poor end to the season, and if i'm correct a pretty poor beginning as well. Only 2 goals in the last 13 games, and only 2 in the first 11 as well. He had a great period in the middle of the season, but again he has proved he is far too inconsistent. Berbatov provides so much more for the team, yet for some reason, Keane has become completley infallable in the eyes of so many Spurs fans.

If Berbatov goes, it will be a sad day, players of his ilk do not come around very often. I bet the people giving him stick would realise then, and wish he was back.

well said nicdic - it's ridiculous the amount of stick Berbs has got from Spurs fans - I really wonder if some people recognise how good he is -

like on Sat Berbs put in a good display Keane an ineffectual one - some people seemed to think there was nothing to choose between the two displays and once again there's been all sorts of digs at Berbs for his performance - unbelievable

 

[DC_Boy]

You are aware that football is not a game of facts, opinions are paramount, otherwise everything would be undisputed and boring as hell, the enjoyment of football is debating why someone is better than someone else. You think Berbatov, and the VAST majority thought Keane, you can't change their opinion, respect it, like they respect yours.

I respect their opinion, just think Berbs is our player of the year (this isn't just an SC thing - I'm talking about in general) and I wish to protest at the treatment a lot of fans have been giving Berbs of late

 

[Tickers]

I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is a halfwit. However many of them there may be. Got that? Good.

 

[DC_Boy]

In the abscence of Berbati, who seems to have given up the ghost, I've just read this post from jd80 on gg (a Bulgarian fan) and had to copy it here, as it answers in a nutshell the "Berbs is a lazy bastard with a bad attitude" brigade that DC so rightly says have gone to town on all the Spurs forums and websites, though I do accept the sentiment behind A&C's open letter about him. :wink:



I would just add that Berba himself said in response to this criticism last season: "I don't chase unreachable balls". :razz:

Hi Lily - cheers for the post - yep there really is a mass discrepancy beteween fans perception of Berbs -it has echoes of the criticisms received by Hoddle and Ginola though each is very much a different case too

 

[DC_Boy]

good points B-C

 

[Gilzeanking]

Yeh Berbs wasn't great at the seasons start...his countrymen (or someone) were saying he's always better after Christmas...

..Looks like they were right , strange why he's better then eh

 

[Legend10]

It was exactly the same kind of idiotic criticism that Kanoute received all the time. The fact that he actually worked harder than Keane, Defoe and Mido put together was missed by dimwits that only equate work with running around flapping your arms and wagging your finger at the ref.

What Kanoute always did was show up for the ball regardless of if he had a man up him or a header despite 9 out of ten times getting a clattering. Keane hop, skips and jumps his way round every challenge (another goal conceded saturday directly as a result of keanes cowardice) and happily flaps his arms as the ball is allowed to roll uncontested to the opposition.

I could live with Keanes abject lack of bollocks on the basis that he does score, if only people would realise the sacrifice that other members of the team make so that he can grab an unbalanced amount of the glory. It is this uneducated and misguided view that he is the hero of the team whilst all the other poor schmucks are the ones that put in the effort, take the injuries, and most of all the abuse (Jenas, Zokora, Lennon, Kanoute, Malbranque, Berbatov etc).

With the exception of about 3 cup games and two league games, how often has Keane given his all this season. People like Jenas, Malbranque, Woodgate, Hutton,Dawson and Zokora give it just about every week. Their best may not be as good as Keanes best but I find it annoying when a player shirks his responsibility. He's getting paid to live his dream. FFS give it your all. That's what great players do. Every week. That's why they win.

Spot on BC

I'm sorry but it's so true that Keane is a fuckin wimp!

he bottles challenge after challenge after challenge, he continously puts our midfiled and defence under pressure after letting the opposition have easy possesion because he is so so afraid of being involved in a challenge, he would actually sooner run away like a big girl rather than fight for the ball. But for some godforsaken reason people believe that flapping his arms about and chasing the ref represents hard work. and I don't even want to think about the fact that he jumps at least 2 feet in front of where he should do when the ball is played up in the air so that he doesn't get any contact from a defender challenging in the air.

Huffer, puffer & bluffer sums him up to a tee.