Bernard

[Hoddtastic72]

I'd love us to get Bernard on loan with option to buy, but I'm doubtful we can pull it off. For me would be the signing of the summer for us.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

It's not more depth if we have another player who takes a half a season or more to prove any use to us(if at all). You can be dismissive about Lennon's contribution if you want but every manager at Spurs has made him an important player in their plans and I think that means a lot more than any of our opinions on the player. Besides, Pochettino isn't the type to sign loan players just to fill out the squad and if we sold Lennon we'd still have 3 wide players(plus Holtby, Kane and the youngsters) so we wouldn't be short on the wings.

We desperately need a quality left sided winger/forward.

Lennon is a crock of sh*t these days.

Edit:

Come'on Little Jondy,

How's Lennon not useless? Does he create chances? No

Can he cross? No

Can he shoot? No

Does he score goals? No

Does he vanish into a black hole 9/10? Yes

Do you ever comment other than neg repping? No

 

[sweetness]

We desperately need a quality left sided winger/forward.

Lennon is a crock of sh*t these days.

Edit:

Come'on Little Jondy,

How's Lennon not useless? Does he create chances? No

Can he cross? No

Can he shoot? No

Does he score goals? No

Does he vanish into a black hole 9/10? Yes

Do you ever comment other than neg repping? No

I don't think 'disagree' affects reputation.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I don't think 'disagree' affects reputation.

It gets on my tits when people disagree or dislike something but never have the balls to express their own opinion or to back up why they disagree... 9/10 it's the members who never ever comment, just neg rep instead.

 

[Khilari]

I've been quite underwhelmed by Bernard. I know the counter arguments for the likes of Modric, Cazorla and Eriksen are valid examples of when smaller players succeed in the Prem, but he seems even smaller than that...!

Sure he dribbles but I don't know if he'll be given as much time on the ball in the Prem as he has abroad. A loan isn't a bad option - Liverpool worked that quite well when they loaned in Nuri Sahin and Victor Moses for instance, astute loans which meant there was minimal risk but could have pulled off nicely.

I like the idea of a strong powerful winger with pace (I guess how we thought Nacer Chadli might turn out) as our front three when we play Lennon, Eriksen and Lamela are all a little lightweight.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I've been quite underwhelmed by Bernard. I know the counter arguments for the likes of Modric, Cazorla and Eriksen are valid examples of when smaller players succeed in the Prem, but he seems even smaller than that...!

Sure he dribbles but I don't know if he'll be given as much time on the ball in the Prem as he has abroad. A loan isn't a bad option - Liverpool worked that quite well when they loaned in Nuri Sahin and Victor Moses for instance, astute loans which meant there was minimal risk but could have pulled off nicely.

I like the idea of a strong powerful winger with pace (I guess how we thought Nacer Chadli might turn out) as our front three when we play Lennon, Eriksen and Lamela are all a little lightweight.

I was very sceptical about Bernard before he signed for Donetsk due to him being very light weight. However, having seen him in action for Donetsk and Brazil, he definitely has talent and he's pretty nippy. A loan with the option of a perm deal would be ideal, that way we can see if he's going to be our Coutinho or Lennon mk2.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Is this actually on again? Or tenuous twitter bollocks.

 

[nightgoat]

Has anyone watched him in Ukraine, or Brazil?? Is he really that special?? I wasn't impressed at all by his WC performances. Harsh to judge a player on WC performances but I have no other form of reference as I have never seen him play.
Again I've heard he hasn't been tearing up trees in the Ukraine, not even a guaranteed starter, but again he could be just acclimatising like Lamela.

He only started one game, which was the semi final. Besides that he only played about 70 minutes of football.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I wouldn't spend anything on him, but a loan (with view to buy) if it was somehow available is something to seriously consider. In Brazil he was a serious talent seemed destined for very big things but he's stagnated somewhat and really has to leave Ukraine if to have a successful career. In terms of size I don't think it matters if the intelligence of movement is there. You can also pick and choose when to play him, i.e not against CFC or City. He could be a real weapon to have in squad, pace, skill and brains but due to question marks as said I'd stay away from a permanent deal right now. Also have to consider, what is the likelihood of us spending big on 3 seperate positions, if it's matter of allowing us to spend more on a CB by getting loan that's great rather than effecting how much can afford to spend on CB by getting say Depay.

 

[SFCS]

Blimey, guys, not going to reply to them as it'll take me all night. All I'll say is that I know there's not a minimum height requirement to make it as a PL footballer. Nearly all the players mentioned as examples are brilliant players though, and whilst Bernard is talented(so are lots of players) he really hasn't proven himself to be put in that bracket. Yes, that's through the lack of chances to prove himself and if Pochettino wants him and he's available at an affordable price, then great, lets try and get him on a permanent deal.

I think people talking about a loan deal with an option to buy at certain price are fooling themselves, however. As I said, Shakhtar aren't in a position to be bullied and giving us an option to buy would only weaken their position for selling him. If they were to sell to us with an option to buy then surely the deal would not be free, or nominal, like some are saying. A loan without an agreed fee might be cheap but we're at best getting the opportunity to help develop a top talent for a year, at worst wasting our time(and a squad place) with a flop. I think we should either be aiming for better than that, or concentrating on giving opportunities to the players we already have.

 

[Khilari]

I was very sceptical about Bernard before he signed for Donetsk due to him being very light weight. However, having seen him in action for Donetsk and Brazil, he definitely has talent and he's pretty nippy. A loan with the option of a perm deal would be ideal, that way we can see if he's going to be our Coutinho or Lennon mk2.

I know it's a terrible way to judge a player, but I just watched "bernard donetsk" on YouTube and the first two videos aren't great. They show lots of dribbling, lots of falling over or losing the ball, very little end product - which is worrying since YouTube videos essentially are supposed to pick out the best bits and make Gregorz Rasiak look like Didier Drogba.

He does come across a lot like Lennon in his running and passing style but admittedly has some nice skills and flicks to take it past opposing players.

 

[ClintEastwould]

"Too small for the prem"

 

[Jospur]

"Too small for the prem"

Like Modric???

 

[Barry Mead]

It gets on my tits when people disagree or dislike something but never have the balls to express their own opinion or to back up why they disagree... 9/10 it's the members who never ever comment, just neg rep instead.

I post disagree at times and don't make a comment if I've already posted comments about feelings on a player as it seems to me that it's only repeating yourself. I thought that was why people use it rather than go over the same ground.

I thought the spam, doh and wtf were neg reps and I don't use those. I have received a few mind, but they are usually from people who have none or very little posting history and it's hard to take them too seriously especially when it's given against posting a transfer news story. I imagine some have to be mis hits because some seem to be illogical to the post made even if others might be fair enough for someone who thinks the reverse of what you've said

 

[Barry Mead]

Blimey, guys, not going to reply to them as it'll take me all night. All I'll say is that I know there's not a minimum height requirement to make it as a PL footballer. Nearly all the players mentioned as examples are brilliant players though, and whilst Bernard is talented(so are lots of players) he really hasn't proven himself to be put in that bracket. Yes, that's through the lack of chances to prove himself and if Pochettino wants him and he's available at an affordable price, then great, lets try and get him on a permanent deal.

I think people talking about a loan deal with an option to buy at certain price are fooling themselves, however. As I said, Shakhtar aren't in a position to be bullied and giving us an option to buy would only weaken their position for selling him. If they were to sell to us with an option to buy then surely the deal would not be free, or nominal, like some are saying. A loan without an agreed fee might be cheap but we're at best getting the opportunity to help develop a top talent for a year, at worst wasting our time(and a squad place) with a flop. I think we should either be aiming for better than that, or concentrating on giving opportunities to the players we already have.

I actually think that the Ukraine situation puts Shakhtar in a weak negotiating position especially now Donetsk has come under fire. Personally I think they would be more than happy to get an amicable price option in place, because things look likely to get far worse out there before they get any better and it will be tough keeping their Ukranian players happy enough never mind some of the foreign ones who must be seriously concerned about staying there

 

[Sweech]

It gets on my tits when people disagree or dislike something but never have the balls to express their own opinion or to back up why they disagree... 9/10 it's the members who never ever comment, just neg rep instead.

It's because not everything you say is worth the time to write out why you're wrong. Nor worth getting into a discussion with over why it's wrong. I know myself personally will just hand out a disagree as a sort of "Nope. You are incorrect." alternative instead of writing out something which I feel is blatantly obvious, but you're unwilling to admit in an argument.

I'm struggling to think of a single team who would or could buy Lennon, seriously can anyone think of a team that would????

He'd fit quite well with what Everton try to do strategically, but I'm not sure if they'd be interested.

 

[Snuzzy]

He returned to training with Shakhtar today, but trained separately from the rest of the team.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

It's because not everything you say is worth the time to write out why you're wrong. Nor worth getting into a discussion with over why it's wrong. I know myself personally will just hand out a disagree as a sort of "Nope. You are incorrect." alternative instead of writing out something which I feel is blatantly obvious, but you're unwilling to admit in an argument.



He'd fit quite well with what Everton try to do strategically, but I'm not sure if they'd be interested.

Except I'm not wrong, Lennon is a waste of space.

@Sweech, you're clearly deluded if you think Lennon contributes anything other than covering the full backs ass.

 

[Sweech]

Except I'm not wrong, Lennon is a waste of space.

@Sweech, you're clearly deluded if you think Lennon contributes anything other than covering the full backs ass.

He contributs more goals and assists than Townsend.

I listed Everton for that exact reason though. Covering a fullback's ass is exactly what they like out of their wingers as that's how Martinez used Pienaar and Mirallas last season. Giving Baines and Coleman full attacking freedom. Pienaar is now 32 and Lennon could provide a rotation to the group or be the starter with Mirallas.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Explosions at the Donbass Arena today (Where Shakhtar play). Have they still been playing matches there or at least planning to? Reason I bring it up as it's another reason why Bernard (and others) will want out.

On 23 August, at 6:00, two powerful explosions occurred at Donbass Arena. As a result of shelling, there are numerous damages of the northwestern facade of the stadium, communications, equipment and detached building of the energy centre, which is located in the northern part of the Donbass Arena park.