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Discussion in 'Spurs Chat' started by coys200, Sep 10, 2017.
I don't think Koeman had a fuckng clue what was going on.
And there you have the reason his team got run over by a 3331 shaped steam train.
Well we were already playing with back 3 so there was no point for dier to drop back
Sissoko is so frustrating,he has the physical attributes to be a viera ,even if his touch and passing improved to a moderate level he could be outstanding.i wonder how much is confidence and how much just pure lack of ability.
He's had 2 pretty good games now and agree technically not great but he worries teams because of his physicality and ability to get beyond teams. I think he certainly can still be of value to us.
I don't really agree. I don't think he worried anyone, Eriksen, Davies, Tripper, Alli and Kane did most of the worrying. I should think Sissoko's one dimensional bulldozing was the least worrying aspect of what happened Saturday.
hes the ultimate jack of all trades kind of player. hes like a poor man's milner, which is a fucking good option off the bench. just not a starter for me
Not being rude but serious Q, have ever you played football to a good level? I can tell you that players playing against him won't enjoy it one bit, if all 11 of our players are like Eriksen/Trippier etc, (creative and lightweight) there is a way to deal with that and it actually becomes a bit predictable, if you add to that one or two players like Sissoko with more physicality and strength who make more direct forward runs on and off the ball and who hassle strongly when the opponents have the ball I can tell you now it certainly has its place and can be effective. Sure we can all agree Eriksen, Alli etc are better players technically and mentally than Sissoko but he offers something different which they don't and if we can get him to keep playing to the level he did against Everton which 95% of pundits and fans will agree was a very reasonable level then he will be very useful this season for us and especially until we sign a Zaha Type winger forward player who has pace and unpredictability.
Thanks for the insight.
Doesn't that kind of powerful physicality only actually scare people when the guy remembers to take the ball with him though ? Genuine question because I only discovered football last Wednesday.
Interesting conversation - but it does fit with some of the ITK from this summer - suggesting that Dembele might find himself playing further up the pitch this season at time.
I agree, it was a 3331
Its fairly obvious to me we don't really have a rigid formation at all. We transition between multiple different systems throughout most games depending on where the ball is and where abouts on the field of play the players are. It's one of the reasons MP likes to keep the young players inside the system rather than loan them out IMO, as he wants them to learn and understand how to play in his more fluid philosophy.
Yep. We change formation so much in a game, sometimes last season it seemed like we were showing off doing it some games when it wasn't necessary.
That's only as right or wrong as it is for most reasonably well coached teams though isn't it ? They/we all clearly have default starting structures but as football is fluid they morph only to return to that structure by default when the ball is lost high up. Like all teams that default can be altered by tactical subs.
We definitely do start games with a default structure, and maintain that "without ball" structure throughout. Where we might be different is that we have on occasion switched structures mid game without changing personnel, and then even more occasionally switched back or changed again with a tactical sub.
The other difference, which is most pleasing to me, is after his whole first year of sticking religiously to 4231, Poch has now become one of the most tactically diverse coaches around. We have played 3 or 4 different structures in 4 games.
I assume this explains his favour of players versed in playing a number of positions, so the team can flex and change whilst out the pitch, without the need for changing personnel from the bench.
Both Toby and Jan can play centrally or wider, Dier we know of his versatility. Eriksen has been seen playing as No10, or deeper as a CM, likewise Dembele and Alli could rove between CM or AM. Wanyama can play DM or cover CB, as I expect Foyth to do in reverse.
Looking at the U23's, the positional fluidity is there too.
Aurier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose
Eriksen, Alli, Son
Alderweireld, Dier, Vertonghen
Aurier, Eriksen, Dembele, Rose
Alderweireld, Dier, Vertonghen
Aurier, Dembele, Rose
Eriksen, Alli, Son
Three not entirely unfeasible formations using the same players. Last one may be a stretch with Dembele as the designated DM, but you get the drift. So long as all our players are switched on, the ability to be so flexible would absolutely flummox opposition teams.
I always thought that this was because he was instilling concepts and frameworks into the team. As such he had to work from a common frame of reference with the players. Had he not this project may have gone tits up like the De Boer Total Croydon (h/t b ronay) project. That is why I figured last year we would have had the 3 ATB formation from the start of the season as a default in-game switch in the evolution of the team. I have always hoped and thought (with no real data to support it other than the connection to Bielsa) that we would move toward the 3331.
Did Sampaoli's Chile side still utilise this system? If so then I look forward to us adapting to it further!
Dembele is starting to become a worry for me against top class opponents.his game is all about keeping the ball and controlling the game.But he simply can't do it against high pressing quick teams.im not really sure solution in CM maybe dier/wanyama and just try to disrupt opposition and stay solid and let wing backs and front 3 do the damage.Just for the big games where we will face intense pressure.
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