blunder of the season

[Kendall]

I haven't seen continual improvement.

We're still losing to the Villas, Newcastles, Birminghams, Adding the Man Citys and drawing with the bleedin' Middlebroughs of the league.

the fact that we won the league cup doesn't excuse the fact that 11th and shit performances are happening all to regularly and are unacceptable.

 

[C0YS]

As long as I see continual improvement I will be happy.

I have to adnit well answered, but this aint happening only if you share my belife that the close of the season means nothing, thefore anything that happens has no real meaning

 

[P-L-P]

I have to adnit well answered, but this aint happening only if you share my belife that the close of the season means nothing, thefore anything that happens has no real meaning

Positive Rep? :wink:

 

[C0YS]

Positive Rep? :wink:

sorry cant do that Ive just repped you, maybe if you say something constructive in...lets say a month or so (me dont rep too much)

 

[jerseyspur]

so its only down to ramos as he won it in the final? Jol got us so far, passed Man City away with 10 men, without wins in these games we wouldnt have got to the final to win it, but i guess you only see what you want to see, its all making sence now

Ramos was in charge against Man City in the 1/4 final...if i recall, his first game in charge was Blackpool @ home in the CC

Jol was only in charge for the game against Boro in the 3rd Round...(correct me if i'm wrong)

Jol gets far too much stick on this board for what he did for us! Yes he had a bad start to this season, but he took us to 5th 2 seasons on the bounce from nowhere. Where were in previous seasons...?!! People's memories on here are far too short and their expectations too high!

Jol was a dead man walking from the moment certain board members went behind his back to talk to Ramos, which is a massive shame because he did not deserve to be shown such disrespect. In my eyes, the biggest blunder of the season, was the handling of the whole situation as it destabilised the club for months!

As for Ramos, i am glad we have at the club! We have played some unbelievable stuff under him, beating L'Arse 5-1, out playing man utd etc. He makes bold tactical changes that have changed games and won us our first cup in 9 years. However, there have been some shockers in there as well, 1-4 vs Geordies, 4-1 vs Brum.

Consistency is the key if we are to progress, and so far under Ramos, we have been anything but! We still have a long way to go...

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

He got sacked because he was shit.

Welcome to the shouty sweary group who cant debate a point.

Oh Dear :roll:

 

[Kurtzen]

Biggest blunder for me was the money we spent in the summer Kaboul,Taraabt,Boateng and Bent,these signings have had pretty much zero impact on the first team.

:clap:

I'd add the context of fuelling and endorsing that the squad was in anyway capable of breaking into the top four. Jol sealed his fate by buying into the spin.

 

[C0YS]

:clap:

I'd add the context of fuelling and endorsing that the squad was in anyway capable of breaking into the top four. Jol sealed his fate by buying into the spin.

so what I gather this is DC fault then, the person who is incharge of transfers

 

[guy]

How can ppl single out gilbertos mistake when numerous others defended worse than he did for his mistake. E.g. dawson, chimbonda, ohara, etc etc not even jumping to attempt to clear corners on numerous occasions. Very harsh on gilberto

Robbo for me goes down as biggst blunderer of the season. So many mistakes that resulted in goals. Dawson in second, and levy/commolli/jol in third for signing shite last summer!

 

[nidge]

Jol took us some of the way but he fell short, I am not saying he was a bad manager but he made a terrible mistake in letting the players get in such bad shape.

If you look at how the players are conditioned now (trust me I know) it make the frying dutchman look very amateurish.

Ramos has our bases covered.

I would love to know how you know this. If you don't want to post in the thread you can PM me and then maybe, just maybe I will believe you.

I think the fact that the board didn't back Jol when he was trying to build on our success was our biggest mistake. The players Jol wanted all (shockingly) turn up when he leaves.

We will now never know what Jol could have done. Ramos is a great coach, sure.- Yet could Jol have been? (that's not a real question, I don't care what people think) We will never really know.

You could say the board were to scared to sack Jol in the summer when nearly every fan was behind him. Then we had the meeting with Ramos and then all of a sudden a lot of anti-Jol ITK came out and this turned to screw to the point where his position became untenable and finally the board could get rid of him and get the man in they wanted. :shrug:

 

[nidge]

As long as I see continual improvement I will be happy.

Well continual improvement would have to be top 4 in the league next season considering we got rid of Jol because after two 5th places he wasn't seen as good enough to take us to the next step with a squad good enough for top 4. :up:

 

[Kurtzen]

so what I gather this is DC fault then, the person who is incharge of transfers

Collective insanity?

Jol's endorsing the line certainly deflected responsibility. I doubt he was the originator of the 'fantasy' and am more inclined to believe there was pressure to make a united front. But either way the spin showed an appalling lack of judgement. Hindsight is golden, but a review of these boards at least suggests that awareness of the squads shortcomings wasn't a mystery. Our away record over the previous 18 months was in no way reflective of a team threatening to mount a sustained or significant threat. Yet areas we were struggling in(mentally? Leadership? Midfield?) were almost completely ignored, with only cursory attention paid to defence. Myopic? A reflection of the immaturity of leadership?

Ramos has been very circumspect in making similar statements.....wonder why?

 

[Kendall]

How can ppl single out gilbertos mistake when numerous others defended worse than he did for his mistake. E.g. dawson, chimbonda, ohara, etc etc not even jumping to attempt to clear corners on numerous occasions. Very harsh on gilberto

Robbo for me goes down as biggst blunderer of the season. So many mistakes that resulted in goals. Dawson in second, and levy/commolli/jol in third for signing shite last summer!

It's not about looking at consistent errors, and while I agree the players you've mentioned have been poor and have made consistent errors, Gilberto's was a real stinker and taking each blunder on merit, it was one of the worst all season.

Malbranque-kicking-it-into-his-own-net-esq.

 

[TheBigMatch]

Blunder of the season:

has to be Levy's lack of balls to replace Jol with Ramos before the start of the season. He didn't give him the players he needed and then went to undermine him after only two games. He messed up the league season.

If he was sure he could get Ramos he should have done it earlier before the season started.

If he wasn't sure that he could get Ramos then he took a huge gamble undermining the team and the season.

Aside from that

There have been so many defensive blunders right up to the present day it boggles the mind to this which is worse. Giving Gilberto a debut against PSV didn't work out too well, perhaps a league match before hand would have made him think twice about strolling the ball out of defense. The UEFA cup should have been ours.

 

[PYiddy]

Jol took us some of the way but he fell short, I am not saying he was a bad manager but he made a terrible mistake in letting the players get in such bad shape.

If you look at how the players are conditioned now (trust me I know) it make the frying dutchman look very amateurish.

Ramos has our bases covered.

and yet you called him an oaf. A slight contradiction on your part, dont you think?

 

[Chris12345]

Fucking hell mate, Chelsea drew with wigan last night, good teams lose to shit ones it happens.

Yet earlier in the thread you were saying Jol had to go cos he lost to Sunderland... :shrug:

 

[Lucky22]

I think P-L-P's insistence that Ramos is our saviour and Jol was (somehow) inadequate (two fifth place finishes in a row and numerous semi and quarter-finals!) is well off the mark. Ramos has done a fantastic job, but we are far from the finished article.
I have faith in Ramos as a coach, but to think we are suddenly going to become a Top Four side is very optimistic. Of course, I hope I am wrong, but for me winning the Carling Cup should have been the spur to bigger and better things this season, not being dumped out of the UEFA Cup at the next opportunity and then treading water in the league.
I can't understand why the players aren't busting a gut for Ramos in the league and I don't know why he isn't making sure of it. That concerns me.
Blunder of the season is clearly the Jol/Ramos affair. It's easy for people like P-L-P to be flippant about it (the ends justifies the means and all that crap) but to most of us, we want our club to be above all that other rubbish. For me, we need a lot more than the Carling Cup to make up for the debacle caused by our board.

 

[DC_Boy]

For me blunder of the season on the pitch was Gilberto - PSV

Off the pitch I don't agree sacking Jol when Levy did was a blunder. I think it was difficult/impossible to sack a relatively succssful manager such as MJ, pre-season. It was only when the poor results started to kick in, then it became feasible. I certainly thought after the 1-3 with AFC it was time for a change - other fans had different ideas -

It could have been handled a lot better, but it was the right decision at pretty much the right time, and it has proved a very good decision so far, with a trophy and higher league position than at the time - also our UEFA cup bid was rescusitated

 

[sunnydelight786]

Jenas missing that penalty against PSV that would have taken us through. I'm convinced that we would have gone on to have won the Uefa cup if we had got past PSV. It would have turned an average season into a great season if we had won 2 cups.nBy the way, I say avrage seaon as for the players we have in our squad we have massively underachieved this season.

 

[JKD76]

First blunder that came to mind was Readings first goal in the cup game.Was in the shelf side near where it meets the Paxton so had a pretty good view of it.Total disbelief.