Bostock tribunal this week

[MattWilliams]

The grass roots will now have no faith in tribunal conclusions and will now proceed to be shafted by the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea (and Spurs) who will continue to plunder grass root academies.

Jordan is right to feel pissed off.

To a certain extent. But, I was talking to a former Premier League chairman the other day who said you've just got to be smart about these things. At the end of the day the rules haven't changed. You make damn sure no player plays in the first team until they are old enough for you to sign them up to a long term professional contract first. Palace put him in the shop window, someone came in for him. Yes, they've been mugged but it's their own fault. Do I feel sorry for them? A little bit...

 

[Wsussexspur]

I do feel sorry for Palace and to a certain extent agree with what Simon Jordan has said. I just hope this guy does live up to the "hype" surrounding him. Speaking to palace supporting friends they all think he is extremely good prospect but that he has made wrong move coming to us. I hope this is just sour grapes from there point of view!

 

[MattyP]

With a Spurs hat on, what an absolute steal.

With a "general state of the game" hat on, an absolutely ridiculous decision.

Simon Jordan probably spent more money on getting that former wonderbra bird to shag him.

 

[worcestersauce]

I think this is more a reflection on Palace than anyone else, the boy certainly has talent so between the years 7 - 15 that will show whatever. The main point here though is that once it got to the stage where he needed quality development he decided that Crystal Palace couldn't give him that, and that is what Simon Jordan ought to address.
Clearly Bostock felt his development would be enhanced by a move to Tottenham irrespective of any other consideration and that is not bad for youth development, "grass roots" or the future of the England team.
We have done nothing wrong at all and I don't see why people on here think we have, Palace had no moral or ethical right to the boy if they weren't prepared or able to do the best for him.

For the Record I like Simon Jordan but he isn't in the right here and he should have taken the money in the first place

 

[sidford]

how they came up with 700k should be made public! cant help but feel sorry for palace who are a club that badly needs cash and nurture a top talent like bostock and then get less then you would pay for a league 1 journey man, its a terrible decision.
it'd be a great PR exercise by us if we could help palace out some way, maybe loaning them a couple of players which is more likely then say including some extra add ins in the deal e.g. first england cap, england captain etc

 

[scat1620]

To a certain extent. But, I was talking to a former Premier League chairman the other day who said you've just got to be smart about these things. At the end of the day the rules haven't changed. You make damn sure no player plays in the first team until they are old enough for you to sign them up to a long term professional contract first. Palace put him in the shop window, someone came in for him. Yes, they've been mugged but it's their own fault. Do I feel sorry for them? A little bit...

I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous argument. Clubs were well aware of Bostock long before he got near the Palace 1st team (which was only for 2 or 3 games if I recall, believe he was studying for his GCSEs). Hence Chelsea bidding £900k for him when he was 14. The way scouting and networking is with football these days, he would've been on the "one to watch" lists of every major club in England for a number of years now, just via his performances at youth team level and the talk they would've generated. I agree that Palace have been mugged for him, but to suggest that it's their fault because they put him in the first team for a game or 2 is just completely wrong. They could've wrapped him up in cotton wool, sent him to Area 51 and changed his name to Player X, but it wouldn't have stopped clubs like ourselves and the Chelsea's/Arsenal's/Barcelona's knowing all about him anyway.

 

[chivers!]

how they came up with 700k should be made public!

But won't be.
Possibly they've applied a penalty against Palace for not accepting in the first place, what could be considered a fair offer, and for dragging it into a tribunal.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

how they came up with 700k should be made public! cant help but feel sorry for palace who are a club that badly needs cash and nurture a top talent like bostock and then get less then you would pay for a league 1 journey man, its a terrible decision.
it'd be a great PR exercise by us if we could help palace out some way, maybe loaning them a couple of players which is more likely then say including some extra add ins in the deal e.g. first england cap, england captain etc

Isn't the tribunal meant to come up with a figure that represents compensation for the development of the player...NOT his market transfer worth?

 

[MrWoolley]

700k, that's pretty amazing. Reading the CPFC forums and they are fuming :lol:

 

[truespur]

jordan SSN in a min lol

 

[chivers!]

jordan SSN in a min lol

...to announce that he'll be appearing in Celebrity Deal Or No Deal...

 

[yanno]

I assume we didn't make a written offer higher than the £900k Jordan quoted from Chavski when Bostock was 14, which is clever of us from a negotiating standpoint. Because the first evidence Jordan would have put before the tribunal would have been the highest (provable) offer Spurs made for Bostock, and this would then have formed the minimum possible compensation award.

The tribunal fee is much lower than expected, and I can understand Palace fans feeling cheated. Ultimately though, Jordan should have negotiated a better deal rather than letting it go to a tribunal as, historically, they always under- rather than over-compensate the club losing the player.

 

[worcestersauce]

If I might look at this from a different angle for a moment How pissed off will chelsea be?? they offered £900k and we got him for £700k :rofl::rofl: gutted:rofl:

 

[Mr Gamgee]

Jordan went on to warn the youngster that he could end up like Routledge, who left Palace to move to White Hart Lane in 2005 for a fee of £1.25 million, but made just five appearances in two-and-a-half years at Spurs.
He told BBC Sport: "While I wouldn't want to waste my breath giving advice to John, look at Wayne Routledge. He took the chance to join Spurs, but where is he now? When Spurs came knocking I told Wayne to stay and learn his trade at Palace.
"But he went, he grabbed the money, and now he's at Villa not getting in the first team, just like he didn't get in the Spurs team, just like he didn't get in the Portsmouth team and just like he didn't get in the Fulham team."

What a c*** this bloke is, does he not nothing about football! Not every young player a team buys is going to be a superstar. I am sure that plenty of players he has bought turned out not as good as he had hoped.

This guy needs to think about what he says before he opens his mouth. Lennon???? Dawson ????? Huddlestone?????? all bought from lower leagues and regulars in our premiership team. I,d imagine bostock can see that too.

In one breath he saying how gutted he is at losing one of the best talents in england, and then says he may end up like routledge. Make your f**king mind up.

 

[Mr Gamgee]

Also the sentence "While I wouldn't want to waste my breath giving advice to John" This is the director of a football club, taking about a 15 year old boy. Its so childish it makes me laugh

 

[SpurSince57]

I assume we didn't make a written offer higher than the £900k Jordan quoted from Chavski when Bostock was 14, which is clever of us from a negotiating standpoint. Because the first evidence Jordan would have put before the tribunal would have been the highest (provable) offer Spurs made for Bostock, and this would then have formed the minimum possible compensation award.

The tribunal fee is much lower than expected, and I can understand Palace fans feeling cheated. Ultimately though, Jordan should have negotiated a better deal rather than letting it go to a tribunal as, historically, they always under- rather than over-compensate the club losing the player.

Apparently they based it on the inflation since Defoe's move from Charlton to the Spammers ten years ago, when Charlton got £400k. :roll: I'd guess we offered a million tops plus add-ons.

 

[tRiKS]

We've broke no rules... but the rules are shoddy and i'm personally a bit embarrasssed we've been ordered to pay such a poultry sum. There should be a rule that a player has to sign his first contract with the club he was coach through. then if a bigger club wants to buy him they have to adhere to the same rules and costs as any other transfer and the selling club have some bargaining power. Or if a fee is set by tribunal base the compensation on relative* success. £700K now. Another 2m if he makes 40 first team appearances in first two seasons. A further set ammount if he becomes an u21 or full international within a set period of time.

*relative to the club/division hes moving to. relative to the nationality and how hard it is to get a cap for that nation at that time.

 

[Yiddosmithy]

Pleased for spurs we have got a great deal without doing anything wrong.

But why are small clubs going to bother investing time and money into their youth system if anyone good is just taken by a bigger club for almost nothing. I woundnt have cared if we had to pay 4 or 5m for him then other clubs would think they could get their money back if they invested in youth.

 

[snake1]

I bet we originally offered them more than £700,000 before it went to the tribunal.:rofl: