Brazilian plane crash.

[Spurs 1961]

Some of the other top clubs have said they will offer them players and have suggested that they should be exempt from relegation for three years. Great idea and it's brilliant to hear that they are getting so much support from other clubs.

After the Munich disaster I believe there was a similar moratorium on relegation for United ... but it was a long time ago so my memory might not be accurate

 

[cookiemonster]

Their opponents in the final, Atletico Nacional, have made a request for the Copa Sudamericana title to be awarded to this team, along with the prize money so they could be shared amongst the victims families.

Amazing gesture

Hmmm......

 

[rossdapep]

I don't understand how a plane can just run out of fuel and drop out of the sky, how does a pilot and co-pilot make such a bad error?

There is some talk that the airline company have financial problems so have been stingy with fuel. If true, they deserve the severe punishment and should be destroyed.

 

[UpTownSpur]

There is some talk that the airline company have financial problems so have been stingy with fuel. If true, they deserve the severe punishment and should be destroyed.

Pilots have to calculate that they have sufficient fuel on board and sign off on it before taking off, so they have ultimate responsibility. Does sound like the plane didn't have enough fuel and may not even have had a fuel tank big enough for the trip. And the pilot seems to have just flown it till it ran out, the engines flamed out, the lights went off - electricity on a plane comes from the engines spinning - and only at that point did he declare an emergency.

One possibility is the fuel gauges being faulty.

 

[gushayes11]

What causes someone to survive rather than die in that situation? Fascinated to find out how.

A survivor said everyone was on their feet screaming, understandable. But he said he stayed in his seat and curled up in a foetal position. Still obviously massive luck but he survived.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Pilots have to calculate that they have sufficient fuel on board and sign off on it before taking off, so they have ultimate responsibility. Does sound like the plane didn't have enough fuel and may not even have had a fuel tank big enough for the trip. And the pilot seems to have just flown it till it ran out, the engines flamed out, the lights went off - electricity on a plane comes from the engines spinning - and only at that point did he declare an emergency.

One possibility is the fuel gauges being faulty.

But if ATC put you on repeated circling, and may even had had communication from the pilot about low fuel, are they not just as culpable for not clearing for landing? I'm sure it's less risk to have a departing plane sit on the taxi-way than it is to have a low fuel incoming flight circle round and round.

 

[rossdapep]

There's a chance that Follmann, the GK, may have to have his other leg amputated, if not at least his foot. It gets worse.

There's been an incredible homage shown by the people of Atlético Nacional though, incredibly beautiful to see.

 

[ethanedwards]

Pilots have to calculate that they have sufficient fuel on board and sign off on it before taking off, so they have ultimate responsibility. Does sound like the plane didn't have enough fuel and may not even have had a fuel tank big enough for the trip. And the pilot seems to have just flown it till it ran out, the engines flamed out, the lights went off - electricity on a plane comes from the engines spinning - and only at that point did he declare an emergency.

One possibility is the fuel gauges being faulty.

Human error most likely, the plane was barely capable of flying that distance.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Confirmed that the plane ran out of fuel and lost all power.
Sky News played the final bits of audio between the airport ATC and the pilot this morning.
Also said he had repeatedly advised the airport they were low on fuel but that the tower still did not clear them to land and made them circle.

 

[widmerpool]

Confirmed that the plane ran out of fuel and lost all power.
Sky News played the final bits of audio between the airport ATC and the pilot this morning.
Also said he had repeatedly advised the airport they were low on fuel but that the tower still did not clear them to land and made them circle.

So they would have got away with it, if it wasn't for those Medellin kids.

 

[UpTownSpur]

Confirmed that the plane ran out of fuel and lost all power.
Sky News played the final bits of audio between the airport ATC and the pilot this morning.
Also said he had repeatedly advised the airport they were low on fuel but that the tower still did not clear them to land and made them circle.

Sounds very similar to Avianca Flight 50:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52

 

[CosmicHotspur]

No fuel and electrical failure. The blame must surely rest with the airline and this will go on for a very long time with legal battles. The cost in human lives is dreadful.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

No fuel and electrical failure. The blame must surely rest with the airline and this will go on for a very long time with legal battles. The cost in human lives is dreadful.

Electrical failure comes with loss of power due to running out of fuel.
As for responsibility/blame, I'm sure it will bounce around.

That being said, the latest reports are that the pilot chose not to take up a re-fuelling stop!
Apparently the schedule was to stop in Cobija to take on more fuel, but because departure was delayed, this could not happen as Cobija airport is closed at night.
A secondary option of a stop in Bogota was also available, but the pilot decided he had enough fuel to make the whole flight.

Apparently they were also refused permission to land when the pilot reported low fuel, because another flight had already reported mechanical issues and had been granted permission.

They then had to circle twice before they ran out of fuel...

 

[talkshowhost86]

How on earth does a plane run out of fuel in this day and age?

Unbelievable.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

How on earth does a plane run out of fuel in this day and age?

Unbelievable.

Terrifying

 

[Danners9]

What a terrible reason for this. No freak accident or out of control factor, just plain negligence and a really basic mistake. Awful.

So nice to see how the football world has reacted and the Brazilian league. And, especially, their opponents in the final.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

It really is unbelievable, but surely the pilots must have known how dangerously low on fuel they were? Couldn't they have descended and tried to find somewhere to land? A field, the sea or something?? Surely getting closer to land and crash landing would have been better than circling endless then realising "oh shit the fuel is done" and then just dropping out the sky?

I'm struggling to understand how this can happen.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

It really is unbelievable, but surely the pilots must have known how dangerously low on fuel they were? Couldn't they have descended and tried to find somewhere to land? A field, the sea or something?? Surely getting closer to land and crash landing would have been better than circling endless then realising "oh shit the fuel is done" and then just dropping out the sky?

I'm struggling to understand how this can happen.

Probably a viable option in daylight, but it was in the middle of the night, so they'd have seen nothing other than a few lights - oh and heavy rain. Would probably not have been too knowledegable about the area, whether it was fields, forestry etc.

 

[EighteenEightyTwo]

Probably a viable option in daylight, but it was in the middle of the night, so they'd have seen nothing other than a few lights - oh and heavy rain. Would probably not have been too knowledegable about the area, whether it was fields, forestry etc.

Couldn't air traffic control guide them to an emergency landing?

 

[freeeki]

Reports that Ronaldinho and Riquelme have offered to come out of retirement and play for Chapecoense for free for a season or two.