Cain Hoy say 'No'.

[Zoob32]

Some more info on the dodgers. After the Guggenheim group bought they went from perennial almosts to title contenders. They have best pitching staff in the majors, with very good batters. For those unfamiliar with baseball pitchers are very important to winning, if not more important than offensive batting. They purchased two very good pitchers to fill out their 5 man starting pitcher rotation and their 5th best pitcher is arguably better than a lot of other teams 1st or 2nd best pitcher.

Why I'm saying this is they see investing in the team as a way to grow its value, not just using the team as an investment. It's like buying a house, more than likely the will have a return on investment over time, but if you invest in the house and improve it year after year, the house will have a higher ROI.

If this is a serious bid, which to me it looks like it is, then I see no reason to doom and gloom.

 

[Col_M]

Poor old Chris Hoy gonna get his Tweeter spammed again

 

[Col_M]

0.66%

Recurring of course.

So I don't need to ask again in a week's time?

 

[C0YS]

@LyallThomas story seems to b gaining momentum but do these people have the financial muscle of an abromovic or a sheik mansoor???

Well assuming the company is for all intensive purposes a branch of Guggenheim then they blow abromovic at least out of the water.

Abromovich is worth 14 billion dollars. Guggenheim has over 210 billion dollars worth of assets. Basically guggenheim certainly has the finds to match the big money guns, bu it depends how much they choose to invest, also with the fair play rules it is not like it could change things that drastically.

 

[yankspurs]

Todd Boehly(sp?) is also the current president of Guggenheim and is the person there leading their charge into expanding into sports. The fact he is involved with Cain Hoy leads me to believe they were set up with the sole intention of investing into sport in europe. The fact that Cain Hoy's first press release, besides the formation announcement, was about Spurs, its clear their main focus is the purchase of Tottenham Hotspur. They could also buy the 75+% that Lewis owns without touching Levy's stock, allowing Levy to stay on btw.

 

[Mullers]

Absolutely none of this will get past the tin-foil hat, I'm afraid.



More importantly when can we get rid of the role's current incumbent?



That's the absolute last area you ever deal in. They get thrown at you post after post and you joyfully refute them all saying they can't be true because they don't fit your agenda.

Unless by 'facts' you mean 'stuff Mullers makes up to suit his point' of course. In which case you're 100% right.

Carry on.

So it's not a fact that we've won one trophy and got CL qualification once then? I just dreamed that we did, when in reality, we've been winning cups and league titles galore?

 

[nidge]

Todd Boehly(sp?) is also the current president of Guggenheim and is the person there leading their charge into expanding into sports. The fact he is involved with Cain Hoy leads me to believe they were set up with the sole intention of investing into sport in europe. The fact that Cain Hoy's first press release, besides the formation announcement, was about Spurs, its clear their main focus is the purchase of Tottenham Hotspur. They could also buy the 75+% that Lewis owns without touching Levy's stock, allowing Levy to stay on btw.

Lewis owns closer to 60% of the shares in the club, Levy has about 25% (that said it's actually ENIC that own 85% of shares and Lewis then owns 70.6% of the ENIC group and Levy owns 29.4%) and then the other 15% is owned by other parties.

 

[nidge]

Looks like Chris Hoy is taking it in good spirits.

Chris Hoy ‏@chrishoy 40m
According to twitter it seems I've bought Spurs today. #impulsebuy

 

[Gbspurs]

Looks like Chris Hoy is taking it in good spirits.

Chris Hoy ‏@chrishoy 40m
According to twitter it seems I've bought Spurs today. #impulsebuy

Funnily enough I was just coming on here to post a Chris Hoy joke.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

I getting more positive towards a Cain Hoy takeover the more i hear about these guys.

So long as they're not getting all their information on the club from Ted Lasso.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Well assuming the company is for all intensive purposes

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Well assuming the company is for all intensive purposes a branch of Guggenheim then they blow abromovic at least out of the water.

Abromovich is worth 14 billion dollars. Guggenheim has over 210 billion dollars worth of assets. Basically guggenheim certainly has the finds to match the big money guns, bu it depends how much they choose to invest, also with the fair play rules it is not like it could change things that drastically.

I think that is the striking thing.

These guys are the truly striking "money men" in the world.

Abromovich may be a real life Bond villian who has his own private army of mercenaries somewhere and Mansur may be sitting on holes in the ground that pump money out.

But these guys....the guys who are at the top of the food chain for Apollo and Guggenheim....these are the guys that people start conspiracy theories around. These are the groups that are so good at investments that when something horrible in the world happens (say a terrorist attack or a war) they are positioned to have their investments benefit from that event regardless of what that event was. These are the types of guys who do so much preparation and have so much research done ahead of time that when they invest in something it seems like they never miss.

These are the guys that people like Abromovich and Mansur go to so that they can get investment advice and they pay a hefty fee to do so. These groups are the ones who uber rich groups go to for financing when they are building a skyscraper, oil rigs, launching massive venture capital investments or....building a stadium in one of the most expensive real estate cities on the planet.

These guys don't jump into an investment on a lark, if they are trying to buy Spurs then they have done an astounding amount of research and projections well before they have gotten to this point. If these guys are trying to buy Spurs they have examined every angle already and genuinely believe that there is a reason that this investment will be very profitable for them and their backers.

These are the scary smart people in the world of finance and investing....in terms of potential owners that we could be facing...these are about as good a bet as we could hope for.

 

[thinktank]

Whats wrong with the Glazers ? Man Utd have won numerous titles under their ownership. Thats what its all about surely. And now thy`ve hit a sticky patch, they`ve gone and chucked a couple of hundred million dollars at strengthening the team. Dont seem like bad owners to me.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

The titles were down to OWF.

 

[Lilbaz]

Some more info on the dodgers. After the Guggenheim group bought they went from perennial almosts to title contenders. They have best pitching staff in the majors, with very good batters. For those unfamiliar with baseball pitchers are very important to winning, if not more important than offensive batting. They purchased two very good pitchers to fill out their 5 man starting pitcher rotation and their 5th best pitcher is arguably better than a lot of other teams 1st or 2nd best pitcher.

Why I'm saying this is they see investing in the team as a way to grow its value, not just using the team as an investment. It's like buying a house, more than likely the will have a return on investment over time, but if you invest in the house and improve it year after year, the house will have a higher ROI.

If this is a serious bid, which to me it looks like it is, then I see no reason to doom and gloom.

But have they won trophies or sacked coaches?

 

[dagraham]

Well assuming the company is for all intensive purposes a branch of Guggenheim then they blow abromovic at least out of the water.

Abromovich is worth 14 billion dollars. Guggenheim has over 210 billion dollars worth of assets. Basically guggenheim certainly has the finds to match the big money guns, bu it depends how much they choose to invest, also with the fair play rules it is not like it could change things that drastically.

Even if they are unspeakably wealthy, its all about attitude.

These guys are clearly businessman who've worked at building their empire, rather than oligarchs and oil shieks who are quite happy to piss money away.

They may make us more competetive, but there's no chance they'll behave like City or Chelsea imo, even if FFP didn't exist.

 

[Rupstoh]

Fair enuff, for a moment there I assumed your were indulging in a spot of BeeSoddle flim-flammery

My bad.

Kemsley bought a part of Crystal Palace a few years ago.

Read this: a few paragraphs down, quotes by Simon Jordan in The Guardian.

"That turned out to be not quite the case. The company which bought the ground was Selhurst Park Limited, which had no apparent connection to Jordan. A director was Paul Kemsley, the property developer, former Tottenham Hotspur vice-chairman and well-known friend of Sir Alan Sugar and Mike Ashley."

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2008/oct/01/crystalpalace

 

[absolute bobbins]

This thread is funny, so many people talking in terms they don't actually understand

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Even if they are unspeakably wealthy, its all about attitude.

These guys are clearly businessman who've worked at building their empire, rather than oligarchs and oil shieks who are quite happy to piss money away.

The may make us more competetive, but there's no chance they'll behave like City or Chelsea imo, even if FFP didn't exist.

These guys wouldn't behave like City or Chelsea unless they believed absolutely that the end result would be a fair amount of improvement in their investment.

They may spend money but it wouldn't be without a staggering amount of research done before hand...when they make a move they have done all the preparation possible.

These guys strike me as Levy with more money.....IMO i think they would set the team along the same path as ENIC but would have the freedom to splash cash if they truly believe it would be beneficial in the long run.

 

[Lilbaz]

This thread is funny, so many people talking in terms they don't actually understand

Need to elaborate as I'm probably one of those people.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Need to elaborate as I'm probably one of those people.

You're not bad if I'm honest but there are some really funny posts by a lot of others.

Oh and that @Bus-Conductor post to slap down Mullers was pure sex