Champions League - 2017/18

[yanno]

this is bs

Surely janssen and lamela are more important then gazzafuckiniga?

It's mandatory to select 3 goalkeepers, but again we have home grown Academy keepers who could have served as number 3.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I posted this in the Janssen thread - but I wonder if we are saving a spot for Lamela - if he proves fit in the short term, like a month. Otherwise we will register Janssen later.

 

[Rob]

It's all a bit strange because we seem to be being penalised for having home grown players, ie players who came through our Academy and have first team experience, but are under 21. Surely the whole point of the rule is penalise clubs who don't grow players through their Academy.

If we'd kept one of Onomah and CCV, both legitimate first team squad players who've developed through the Academy, plus Winks, then that would have been two proper home grown, club trained, players which could have enabled us to have a CL squad of 25.

But I'm assuming that under 21s have to be named on the B list, and this feels against the spirit of the home grown rule.

You're misunderstanding the rules.

Those players would go into the B list anyway. Winks (and Dele) didn't need naming in the A list. Likewise, Onomah and CCV could be selected from the B list.

 

[DanielCHillier]

If I understand the rules correctly, we can name up to 25 players in the A list, and 8 of those spots must be Club Trained or Association Trained, grouped as Locally Trained (LT). For sake of ease we'll refer to the other list as Foreign Trained (FT)

LT – Alli
LT – Davies
LT – Kane
LT – Rose
LT – Trippier
LT
LT
LT

FT – Alderweireld
FT – Aurier
FT – Dier
FT – Dembele
FT – Eriksen
FT – Foyth
FT – Gazzaniga
FT – Llorente
FT – Lloris
FT – N'Koudou
FT – Sanchez
FT – Sissoko
FT – Son
FT – Vertonghen
FT – Vorm
FT – Wanyama
FT –

Means we actually have one remaining slot right now, so could in fact name Jannsen/Lamela now.

Perhaps the club are waiting to see how Lamela is doing in terms of recovery before deciding whether to include him or Janssen.

 

[bat-chain]

If we had Luke Mcgee is 3rd keeper or any English dross Janssen could have been in the squad, that is ridiculous by us.

 

[bat-chain]

We have only 5 Homegrown players and 2 club homegrown, that is why we can't use the full 25 places. The requirement for that is 8 and 4

 

[yanno]

You're misunderstanding the rules.

Those players would go into the B list anyway. Winks (and Dele) didn't need naming in the A list. Likewise, Onomah and CCV could be selected from the B list.

So the rules are that you can't put a B list player on the A list to get the extra quota of non-homegrown?

Because we actually do develop players through our Academy and play them in the first team, which is the reason why UEFA introduced the homegrown club-trained rules.

Chelsea's list at the link below bizarrely shows Christensen and Charly Musonda as B List players, and their "English" A list players are presumably Cahill, Drinkwater, Moses and Fabregas (because the goons poached him from Barca's academy so he counts as English for these purposes).

The last genuine first team player to come through Chavski's academy is probably John Terry, now they've sold Chalobah and Solanke, and loaned the likes of Abraham and RLC. Whilst we've had loads - Kane, Winks, Rose, Mason, Bentaleb, Caulker, even LIvermore who's now a full England international.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/clubs/club=52914/index.html

 

[nicdic]

It's mandatory to select 3 goalkeepers, but again we have home grown Academy keepers who could have served as number 3.

Wrong, two is mandatory I believe.

 

[golfspurs]

Dan ESPN said Davies is not count Associated trained quota

But I disagree with him

Surely Davies is HG & AT

 

[nicdic]

So the rules are that you can't put a B list player on the A list to get the extra quota of non-homegrown?

Because we actually do develop players through our Academy and play them in the first team, which is the reason why UEFA introduced the homegrown club-ttrained rules.

Chelsea's list at the link below bizarrely shows Christensen and Charly Musonda as B List players, and their "English" A list players are presumably Cahill, Moses and Fabregas (because the goons poached him from Barca's academy so he counts as English for these purposes).

The last genuine first team player to come through Chavski's academy is probably John Terry, now they've sold Chalobah and Solanke, and loaned the likes of Abraham and RLC. Whilst we've had loads - Kane, Winks, Rose, Mason, Bentaleb, Caulker, even LIvermore who's now a full England international.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/clubs/club=52914/index.html

There's no extra anything.

There are 25 squad places, 8 of them can only be taken by Locally Trained players. So you can have a max of 17 non Locally Trained players. You don't get more by having more Locally Trained players, it's still only 17.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

If I understand the rules correctly, we can name up to 25 players in the A list, and 8 of those spots must be Club Trained or Association Trained, grouped as Locally Trained (LT). For sake of ease we'll refer to the other list as Foreign Trained (FT)

LT – Alli
LT – Davies
LT – Kane
LT – Rose
LT – Trippier
LT
LT
LT

FT – Alderweireld
FT – Aurier
FT – Dier
FT – Dembele
FT – Eriksen
FT – Foyth
FT – Gazzaniga
FT – Llorente
FT – Lloris
FT – N'Koudou
FT – Sanchez
FT – Sissoko
FT – Son
FT – Vertonghen
FT – Vorm
FT – Wanyama
FT –

Means we actually have one remaining slot right now, so could in fact name Jannsen/Lamela now.

Davies doesn't count as Association Trained apparently because Swansea belongs to the Welsh FA and not the English FA.

 

[nicdic]

Davies doesn't count as Association Trained apparently because Swansea belongs to the Welsh FA and not the English FA.

If that's true, then it settles the question, and is then relatively feasible that that squad list is true.

Doesn't mean it's not bonkers that Swansea can play in the English Football Association, but the players wouldn't count as association trained. That's stupid.

 

[bat-chain]

Paulo Gazzaniga's champions league adventure!

 

[Rob]

So the rules are that you can't put a B list player on the A list to get the extra quota of non-homegrown?

You're still misunderstanding.

What "extra" quota of non-homegrown? There isn't a quota of non-homegrown.

There needs to be 8 slots on the A list that are reserved for home grown players. You can not fill these slots with non-homegrown players.

If we had 8 empty slots (because all of our home grown players were kids) or 8 full slots it'd make no difference to how many non-homegrown we could have. The maximum is still 17 (25 - the 8 reserved slots).

 

[talkshowhost86]

You're still misunderstanding.

What "extra" quota of non-homegrown? There isn't a quota of non-homegrown.

There needs to be 8 slots on the A list that are reserved for home grown players. You can not fill these slots with non-homegrown players.

If we had 8 empty slots (because all of our home grown players were kids) or 8 full slots it'd make no difference to how many non-homegrown we could have. The maximum is still 17 (25 - the 8 reserved slots).

But what about if Bassong is suspended?

 

[Thewobbler]

this is bs

Surely janssen and lamela are more important then gazzafuckiniga?

Lamela is injured until nov/dec time. No point in naming him in their yet.

 

[glospur]

We had to omit two and both Janssen and Lamela are the obvious candidates in this respect.

We have four players that can play up front in Kane, Llorente, Son and Janssen and Janssen is clearly fourth in line for that list.

I can understand the sentimental argument against including Foyth over Janssen, but at this level you have to be ruthless and, frankly, in a team that regularly plays 3 at the back I'd prefer to see our 5th choice CB inlcuded over the 4th choice centre forward in a team that usually only plays with 1 striker.

It's the same reason why Sissoko is included. With Lamela injured and likely only to be fit for 1 or 2 group stage games it makes sense to leave him out and keep Sissoko as the only natural right sided player in the squad.

 

[nightgoat]

Dier and Davies count as foreign. Fabregas doesn't. I know the whole where they trained thing is a bullshit workaround to avoid the legal ramifications of a cap on foreigners, but even so this is pretty ludicrous.

 

[Rob]

But what about if Bassong is suspended?

Then we have to name him on the bench. Or something.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Dier and Davies count as foreign. Fabregas doesn't. I know the whole where they trained thing is a bullshit workaround to avoid the legal ramifications of a cap on foreigners, but even so this is pretty ludicrous.

Davies is home-grown - Association trained.

Dier - is not HG as he came through Portugal via Sporting.