Confused about our sale tactics

[thfc1973]

I don't understand how we can so easily allow a player like Paulinho leave for a near 7M loss, yet we don't seem to allow worse players leave easier.
What is the logic in allowing the sale of a player that still has ability and potential for a 50%+ loss without so much as a bat of an eyelid, yet players like Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others are still being kept to presumably get the most return for them, when there has most likely been no shortage of clubs willing to take those other players off our hands...?

 

[Spurrific]

I don't understand how we can so easily allow a player like Paulinho leave for a near 7M loss, yet we don't seem to allow worse players leave easier.
What is the logic in allowing the sale of a player that still has ability and potential for a 50%+ loss without so much as a bat of an eyelid, yet players like Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others are still being kept to presumably get the most return for them, when there has most likely been no shortage of clubs willing to take those other players off our hands...?

You can't sell players if they don't have offers. He obviously had offers. Not sure what's confusing.

 

[etchedchaos]

There's no offers for any of the players you listed, well unless you count the Spammers wanting Adebayor and for us to subsidise over half his wages.

 

[Phn3Xta5]

simple. player values depreciate naturally over time depending on performance/time left on contract. pauline's contract was running down (though he still had like 2 years remaining i think) and he wasnt performing so his value dropped from the initial 15mil to a market price of 10 mil. simple economics. sell non performing assets for a reduced price. Im actually surprised that we got that much for him.

 

[thfc1973]

but you're assuming there hasn't been offers, just like I am by assuming there has been..right?

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I don't understand how we can so easily allow a player like Paulinho leave for a near 7M loss, yet we don't seem to allow worse players leave easier.
What is the logic in allowing the sale of a player that still has ability and potential for a 50%+ loss without so much as a bat of an eyelid, yet players like Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others are still being kept to presumably get the most return for them, when there has most likely been no shortage of clubs willing to take those other players off our hands...?

One by one my friend, slowly slowly catchey monkey ...

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

I don't understand how we can so easily allow a player like Paulinho leave for a near 7M loss, yet we don't seem to allow worse players leave easier.
What is the logic in allowing the sale of a player that still has ability and potential for a 50%+ loss without so much as a bat of an eyelid, yet players like Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others are still being kept to presumably get the most return for them, when there has most likely been no shortage of clubs willing to take those other players off our hands...?

its not clear cut how much we have paid for Paulinho. It could be that...

12M (paid over 3 years)
1m after 50 performances
1m after 100 performances
1m after 150 performances
1m ECL Qualification
500k FA Cup win
500k Uefa Cup win..

In which case there is hardly any loss. Its likely that payment of 17m is very dependant of something like above.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Someone offers you £9m for Paulinho, you bite their hand off, simple as.

 

[14/04/91]

And by all accounts he's getting a pay rise so is happy to leave.
The players mentioned in the OP probably won't take a cut so that's another hurdle to overcome.
It's not as simple as wanting them out, accepting an offer & them being happy with who/where/how much.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

You are confusing cash flow with an accounting loss. In all likelihood, we made a profit on Paulinho, having written off 50% of his original transfer price - whatever it was - over the two years that we used Paulinho.

The other thing in play here is that its sounds like we may have had an offer from Watford, and it was probably much less than the Guangzhou offer. So, we had an idea of his market value in Europe, and made a deal about that value. We also sold to a club that is not in competition with us, in any way.

 

[Hoops]

I don't understand how we can so easily allow a player like Paulinho leave for a near 7M loss, yet we don't seem to allow worse players leave easier.
What is the logic in allowing the sale of a player that still has ability and potential for a 50%+ loss without so much as a bat of an eyelid, yet players like Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others are still being kept to presumably get the most return for them, when there has most likely been no shortage of clubs willing to take those other players off our hands...?

I think we will see some of those players move this window. Looks like we just want rid now.

 

[benski]

One down, an absolute shit tonne to go!

 

[Spursidol]

I don't understand how we can so easily allow a player like Paulinho leave for a near 7M loss, yet we don't seem to allow worse players leave easier.
What is the logic in allowing the sale of a player that still has ability and potential for a 50%+ loss without so much as a bat of an eyelid, yet players like Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others are still being kept to presumably get the most return for them, when there has most likely been no shortage of clubs willing to take those other players off our hands...?

Can you list all the clubs who have made offers for Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue and others ?

Are the bids ones we think we should accept, or do we think we will get more for some of the players, if the latter we'll wait for a few weeks ?

When the Paulhino bid came in from China, we were probably delighted as other offers were lower. So we accepted the Chinese bid for £10m.

Selling is like being in a street market - we can only react to bids coming in. We also have to check that the player is prepared to move to the club putting in a decent bid to us. so some bids which are good for Spurs the players will turn down. Hence the problem of trying to sell the 10 or so players we want to

 

[tototoner]

Scolari cannot buy them all, Redknapp has retired so we are left with spamming Villa with 2 for 1 deals

 

[PT]

The offload to the Chinese Club is such a left field though.

Why is a Brazilian 26 year old agreeing to go there, unless he is not career driven and it's about the package and the term of contract.

 

[millsey]

its not clear cut how much we have paid for Paulinho. It could be that...

12M (paid over 3 years)
1m after 50 performances
1m after 100 performances
1m after 150 performances
1m ECL Qualification
500k FA Cup win
500k Uefa Cup win..

In which case there is hardly any loss. Its likely that payment of 17m is very dependant of something like above.

On that basis we only get the 9.8 back for him on similar terms with his new club? Or is it just Spurs who don't have to pay full value for players unless they win the champions league?

 

[millsey]

The offload to the Chinese Club is such a left field though.

Why is a Brazilian 26 year old agreeing to go there, unless he is not career driven and it's about the package and the term of contract.

Shows what sort of player we had on our squad and why he didn't make it

 

[newbie]

Selling crap players outside the EPL could become a problem for Premiership clubs soon as the only clubs who can afford the wages and transfer fees are Premiership clubs and a handful of big clubs.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

On that basis we only get the 9.8 back for him on similar terms with his new club? Or is it just Spurs who don't have to pay full value for players unless they win the champions league?

It all depends don't it. My earlier post shows how you can reach a compromise for a player in demand. It's just as plausible that they have a similar deal with us yes, but also that negotiations went along the lines of "well we paid 17, so if your offer is 10, that's ok but it's all upfront. Discount deals are probably different than demand deals, but then maybe not. Like all people on here we are all just guessing and using pockets of similar knowledge from other genres of life.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

It all depends don't it. My earlier post shows how you can reach a compromise for a player in demand. It's just as plausible that they have a similar deal with us yes, but also that negotiations went along the lines of "well we paid 17, so if your offer is 10, that's ok but it's all upfront.

I doubt it. His value has depreciated massively in the last two years, and certainly by seven million.

I don't see why you would assume that a deal with a headline figure of 17m would include unlikely add-ons within that. Instalments, yes. But contingent add ons in a headline figure? Isn't that pure speculation?