Day 7: England vs Wales, Ukraine vs Northern Ireland, Germany vs Poland

[werty]

I missed the match because of an exam- can someone sum up the game and particularly the Spurs players.

I've heard that Kane was poor and was hauled off, Alli was OK but got the assist for the second goal- Rose, Walker and Dier were apparently excellent.

Kane was poor but got little service. Alli's first touch was awful and generally did very little with the ball, although played a key part in the gaol. Dier had a excellent first half but his use of the ball was poor in the second. Rose and Walker got into good positions offensively - Walker in particular - but I can't recall a decent cross from either. Both defended fine.

 

[yiddopaul]

No. Just do any other celebration than that stupid dance shit.

He's just scored an injury time winner against a Home Nation rival in a major tournament - he should be sprinting to the bench or crowd or teammates in a mindless paroxysm of joy not seeking out the nearest camera, shrugging a team mate aside, so he can concentrate on his personal celebration.

Says a lot about him. Vardy meanwhile went straight to bench and, I think, Kane in particular.

Ha Ha, I kind of agree. Hate the 'body popping?' dance. Dier? Now there's a player that know's how to celebrate a goal. Proper man's celebration!

 

[DEFchenkOE]

That worries me too. The last thing we need is Kane's confidence shot before the start of the new campaign.

He seems like a confident lad in general, he'll get other chances and could still have a say in this competition. Throughout his career people have always been questioning his ability

Still think he should be on the bench next game. Folk here won't like hearing it but he hasn't scored or played well in this tournament whereas Vardy and Sturridge have just scored so should get the opportunity to start and rightly so imo.

Walker and Rose were brilliant, Alli a bit quiet but still done well for the winning goal. Dier done well defensively but his forward passing was a bit off.

Thought Lallana had another good game again, so nice on the ball, plays with both feet, just a shame he's a non-existent goal threat. A mix of him and Alli would be close to perfection.

 

[Riandor]

We have played two very defensive teams and gotten four points.
I'm looking forward to a proper opponent (no offence intended towards Wales) who attacks us so that the likes of Alli and Kane etc... have more space.

 

[diamondlight]

Walker MOTM for me... worked his balls off and tried to make stuff happen.

Completely agree. Arguably player of the tournament so far, for any team.

 

[spursfan77]

I feel for harry. Sturridge spent 47 minutes skying shots 10m over before getting on the end of the one good move england come up with. vardy touched the ball about 3 times, one happened to be a tap in off a defender's rebounding header. Pretty sure kane had nothing created for him and created England's best chance of the match apart from the goals; which sterling put into row z from the 6 yard box. Just really unlucky. I feel for davies too, not nice seeing any of our players on the end of a result like that.

It's how the team is set up. Vardy did nothing apart from the goal. If anything less than Kane did first half. I wouldn't blame either player.

The media making Kane the scapegoat though. Probably the same people who called him a one season wonder.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Completely agree. Arguably player of the tournament so far, for any team.

Payet

 

[easley91]

At least he finally took Harry off corners and look how much more threatening we were.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

For all Bale's talk, thought he was very poor apart from his free-kick. Rarely took the game to England I thought Walker took more players on than he did. Was quiet in their first match too.

 

[tiger666]

C'mon N Ireland!

 

[coypu]

When Kane got called up to the U21's last summer his form in this tournament was sabotaged.

A completely predictable and stupid decision.

Strange how Southgate didn't make the same demand for Rashford to play the U21 tourno this year.

 

[theShiznit]

For all Bale's talk, thought he was very poor apart from his free-kick. Rarely took the game to England I thought Walker took more players on than he did. Was quiet in their first match too.

He's been almost non existent in the opening two games but has two free-kick goals down to keeper errors.

 

[tiger666]

Bale is overrated.

 

[theShiznit]

Strange how Southgate didn't make the same demand for Rashford to play the U21 tourno this year.

That's because he wasn't born then.
It's a very quick rise for him.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Hodgson simply doesn't have a clue what system to play, and it shows in that two players who have been excellent all season (Alli and Kane) looked out of sorts today.

Having said that, whilst Alli was genuinely a bit crap for the whole game, Kane simply didn't get the ball. We're using him as a target man which is not how he plays for Spurs, and as others have said if you play Vardy in that role we'll have the same problem.

For me the issue all stems from having Rooney in midfield. He plays these quarterback passes and the crowd and commentators coo and say 'wow' but they actually don't help at all. We need a midfielder who can get it into a striker's feet rather than simply at chest or head height.

For the next game I'd drop Alli for Wilshere or Henderson, push Rooney forwards and then drop Sterling for Vardy or Sturridge.

Lallana did okay in the first half, and I'm not sure if it would work playing Kane, Vardy and Sturridge, so I'd go:

Hart

Walker Cahill Smalling Rose

Dier Wilshere

Lallana Rooney Sturridge

Kane
​

We won't do that though. Roy will pander to the papers, drop Kane, and we'll watch either Vardy or Sturridge trying to play upfront on their own to little effect.

 

[JAYSTAR]

I would play 4213 with this team, drop hart, lallana and sterling and go all out attack and possession against Slovakia:

Forster
Walker Cahill Smalling Rose
Dier Rooney
Alli
Sturridge Kane Vardy​

 

[DEFchenkOE]

No. Just do any other celebration than that stupid dance shit.

He's just scored an injury time winner against a Home Nation rival in a major tournament - he should be sprinting to the bench or crowd or teammates in a mindless paroxysm of joy not seeking out the nearest camera, shrugging a team mate aside, so he can concentrate on his personal celebration.

Says a lot about him. Vardy meanwhile went straight to bench and, I think, Kane in particular.

He's just doing his trademark celebration, he's been injured most the season and hasn't had a chance to do it. I don't really see anything wrong with it, he still celebrated with the rest of the team.

Have you seen when Ronaldo scores? Now that's a selfish player only worried about his own celebration and not bothered about the rest of his team at all.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Hodgson simply doesn't have a clue what system to play, and it shows in that two players who have been excellent all season (Alli and Kane) looked out of sorts today.

Having said that, whilst Alli was genuinely a bit crap for the whole game, Kane simply didn't get the ball. We're using him as a target man which is not how he plays for Spurs, and as others have said if you play Vardy in that role we'll have the same problem.

For me the issue all stems from having Rooney in midfield. He plays these quarterback passes and the crowd and commentators coo and say 'wow' but they actually don't help at all. We need a midfielder who can get it into a striker's feet rather than simply at chest or head height.

For the next game I'd drop Alli for Wilshere or Henderson, push Rooney forwards and then drop Sterling for Vardy or Sturridge.

Lallana did okay in the first half, and I'm not sure if it would work playing Kane, Vardy and Sturridge, so I'd go:

Hart

Walker Cahill Smalling Rose

Dier Wilshere

Lallana Rooney Sturridge

Kane
​

We won't do that though. Roy will pander to the papers, drop Kane, and we'll watch either Vardy or Sturridge trying to play upfront on their own to little effect.

Why Rooney over delli?

 

[Phomesy]

To be fair - Wayne Rooney's been excellent.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Alli and Kane both look tired.

The club have put Kane's long term future in doubt by putting far too much work on his shoulders last season.

One of the reason are strikers are burned out by their late twenties are the demands of premier league football and on top of that Kane has played lone striker with no back up.

This was always going to happen.