Dele Alli - Player watch

[SpartanSpur]

Dele is so confusing, his general play still needs plenty of refinement and his goal count (6PL, 10 overall) is down this season , but his assist count (9PL, 12 overall) is excellent, especially for a player that doesn't take set pieces. CL record was good (5 games, 2 Goals, 4 Assists).

General consensus outside of Spurs (and amongst quite a few Spurs fans) is he's over-rated and having a poor season, but in all comps he is contributing a goal or assist every 125 mins (33 in 2880 mins per whoscored) which is high level.

Has one more PL assist than Eriksen and Ozil this season. Joint third in the league behind Sane (11) and De Bruyne (14). Joint 33rd in the league for goals is a bit disappointing for him but not terrible either.

His output is top quality really when you look at it. I guess the fact he can disappoint/frustrate in general play skews things. Also if he's having a poor season despite those numbers, is he not actually under-rated?

Enigma of a player. I'm glad we have him, I'd Keegan love it if he finished strong now.

 

[Streetspur77]

The papers have got it in for him today ignoring southgate’s words about him being not fully fit. As I predicted 6 months ago, they’re desperate to make him this tournament’s scapegoat.

Sterling has spoken this week of what it did to him mentally so I hope Dele is ready for it because it will happen.

Yep completely agree, our media is fucking disgusting, you could see as soon as that dive against lpool this would be dele's tournament.

The positive though is that I think Dele thrives on adversity, think of the Bournemouth game, they were booing him from the first fucking minute and then he pops up with a goal and assist and holds his ears to those posh ****s as he celebrates

I'd be surprised if he doesn't play a big role in the Chelsea game on Sunday and an amazing rest of the season and then suddenly the media will boost him the ridiculous standards he can't possibly reach just so they can kill him again after we don't win the World Cup.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

I'm fucked off with the criticism Dele is getting I hope he turns it on massively in the next couple months.

 

[spursfan77]

Dele is so confusing, his general play still needs plenty of refinement and his goal count (6PL, 10 overall) is down this season , but his assist count (9PL, 12 overall) is excellent, especially for a player that doesn't take set pieces. CL record was good (5 games, 2 Goals, 4 Assists).

General consensus outside of Spurs (and amongst quite a few Spurs fans) is he's over-rated and having a poor season, but in all comps he is contributing a goal or assist every 125 mins (33 in 2880 mins per whoscored) which is high level.

Has one more PL assist than Eriksen and Ozil this season. Joint third in the league behind Sane (11) and De Bruyne (14). Joint 33rd in the league for goals is a bit disappointing for him but not terrible either.

His output is top quality really when you look at it. I guess the fact he can disappoint/frustrate in general play skews things. Also if he's having a poor season despite those numbers, is he not actually under-rated?

Enigma of a player. I'm glad we have him, I'd Keegan love it if he finished strong now.

He’s scored less goals this season because he’s been played differently. Last season he was basically a striker alongside Kane, you could throw a tea towel over them they played so close together. This year he’s occupied nowhere near the same positions alongside Kane. He’s played a bit deeper.

 

[spids]

He is a big game player. Against top sides in difficult games he tends to pop up with a key goal or assist.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

"Southgate tells Alli to grow up"

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/91dad982-32ac-11e8-8618-4dab5276195d

 

[E17yid]

Southgate tells Alli to grow up

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/91dad982-32ac-11e8-8618-4dab5276195d

I can’t read that article but seems harsh. In a squad that has several players who’ve been caught out doing silly things on and off the pitch why is he singling out Ali?

 

[SpartanSpur]

Mauricio Pochettino has remained supportive of Alli throughout his slump in form and the Spurs manager described him as the best 21-year-old in the world, but he also has concerns and is believed to have discussed them with Southgate.

This bit in the article is particularly interesting. I think Poch has been loyal to Dele for the big part he's played in our improvement, so discussing with Southgate is a good move IMHO. Dele is very good but has a huge ceiling and plenty to work on still, I believe he can easily be Lampard/Gerrard level if not better if he works hard enough and shows the right attitude.

If he finishes the season strongly I'll be thankful for Southgate here.

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

Is it not possible for Alli to be a better player for Spurs and Lingarc to be a better player for England?

 

[SpartanSpur]

Is it not possible for Alli to be a better player for Spurs and Lingarc to be a better player for England?

For me, no. Lingard played a lot of the game tucked into a midfield 3 than out wide, I'd say that suits Dele more than Lingard. Lingard is on a hot streak but not only does Alli have a better understanding with Kane, he also is a more consistent all round finisher and assist maker than Lingard.

I've got no problem with Lingard playing, but on form Dele is better and has more scope to improve also. Seems it comes down to Dele adopting the system for England. If he wants to be a second striker he has much more competition.

 

[WiganSpur]

For me, no. Lingard played a lot of the game tucked into a midfield 3 than out wide, I'd say that suits Dele more than Lingard. Lingard is on a hot streak but not only does Alli have a better understanding with Kane, he also is a more consistent all round finisher and assist maker than Lingard.

I've got no problem with Lingard playing, but on form Dele is better and has more scope to improve also. Seems it comes down to Dele adopting the system for England. If he wants to be a second striker he has much more competition.

I'd still rather England went for Henderson, Dele, Lallana, Sterling and Kane if we're going to play the back 3 formation, with Dier at CB.

 

[spursgirls]

Southgate tells Alli to grow up

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/91dad982-32ac-11e8-8618-4dab5276195d

This bit is worrying:
" has also not created an entirely positive impression while on international duty due to misgivings about his ability to follow instructions and fit into the clearly defined team shape that the manager is attempting to establish."
I wonder if that's him being difficult or he really can't understand what is wanted of him.
Messing about while on the bench is pretty stupid. I read an article the other day basically saying that if you are on the bench you should watch the game closely and see how the opposition is getting the better of your team, how individuals are playing and where you can fit in and improve the team if you came on. Learn from it, and be ready to come on, both physically and mentally.
Alli should know all this though.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Might not be a popular opinion but I don't mind if Southgate wants to play others ahead of the likes of Dele if it fits what he wants to do for England. I also don't mind Dele being challenged by either Poch or Southgate to be more mature in all aspects of the game and away from it.

What I don't want which is where the balance will come into it, is having his undeniable (my opinion of course) talent and I don't want it stifled, especially at international level because the national team have the square peg round hole mentality that we have seen with others over the years.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I'd still rather England went for Henderson, Dele, Lallana, Sterling and Kane if we're going to play the back 3 formation, with Dier at CB.

If they have to play Henderson every game then I agree, but I've liked what I've seen of Walker at RCB, which brings Tripps in who will make chances for Kane. I think Stones and Maguire have the other 2 slots locked. Right now I'd go:-

Butland/Pickford

RWB Trippier/Walker
RCB Walker/Dier/Gomes
CB Stones/Dier
LCB Maguire/Tarkowski
LWB Rose/Young

DM Dier/ Henderson
CM Lallana/Ox/Henderson
CM Dele/Lingard

SS Sterling/Rashford/Vardy
ST Kane/Vardy/Rashford

 

[WiganSpur]

Southgate tells Alli to grow up

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/91dad982-32ac-11e8-8618-4dab5276195d

Funny that Southgate is being critical when Alli has actually had his best season for us imo.

 

[SpartanSpur]

This bit is worrying:
" has also not created an entirely positive impression while on international duty due to misgivings about his ability to follow instructions and fit into the clearly defined team shape that the manager is attempting to establish."
I wonder if that's him being difficult or he really can't understand what is wanted of him.
Messing about while on the bench is pretty stupid. I read an article the other day basically saying that if you are on the bench you should watch the game closely and see how the opposition is getting the better of your team, how individuals are playing and where you can fit in and improve the team if you came on. Learn from it, and be ready to come on, both physically and mentally.
Alli should know all this though.

It's interesting as this is the sort of stuff you don't associate with Poch's players. I could see Poch having general concerns over Alli but not stuff like that. Maybe he's treating England/Southgate like the substitute teacher at school?

 

[spursgirls]

It's interesting as this is the sort of stuff you don't associate with Poch's players. I could see Poch having general concerns over Alli but not stuff like that. Maybe he's treating England/Southgate like the substitute teacher at school?

Which is disrespectful if so and he is missing a chance to learn more and improve himself.
I can't imagine Harry doing anything other than paying attention to the game and being prepared for coming on.

 

[tiger666]

Funny that Southgate is being critical when Alli has actually had his best season for us imo.

Is he being critical? Or is a journo putting spin on it? What are they actual quotes from Southgate?

 

[SpartanSpur]

Funny that Southgate is being critical when Alli has actually had his best season for us imo.

Considering what the report says it seems fair what he is criticising him for (it's not his patchy form this season).

 

[teok]

Having competition for places in the england team is a good thing.We should have more of it. If you look at countries like germany they could field about 3 teams full of top quality players.