Di Matteo and Chav hypocrites

[talkshowhost86]

I know it's different tack, but i was over my park Saturday with my girls and i watched some Saturday league footie, not high standard but good enough to have a rope around the pitch and some advertising hoardings.

The abuse the ref was getting was unreal, from both sides and from the touchline, the subs warming up and the manager/coaches. Every decision he made was met with swearing, questions of his parentage and his eyesight. It makes you wonder if it is all worth it and how the ref can contain himself against such vitriol. I suppose you magnify this by 100 and we can begin the understand what a PL ref goes through each week. Who, this week, would want to ref a Chelsea game in light of what's happened.

There will surely come a time in the not too distant future where professional refs will become very hard to come by. It as an absolutely thankless task, for which I don't think they get paid a huge amount (certainly not enough to warrant the abuse they get) and let's face it we're all as guilty as the next footall fan. It's an ingrained part of the game to launch vitriol on the ref and even the most reasonable football fan falls foul of it occasionally.

I can't see a single reason why anybody in the world would want to be a referree and I think that'll start to become a problem in the future.

Sadly one of the many problems that are making football an increasingly frustrating and downright depressing sport to love.

 

[cwy21]

I'd love to see the refs mics recorded and then the recordings released as a sound file on Monday or something. Lets see if the players still say the same things they do now.

 

[montylynch]

If Rugby can do it, why can't football ? There must be one fundamental reason why not. Can anyone think of one ? You could even add a spoiler at the start of every game telling everyone that you may hear the odd swear word. At least then everyone is accountable for what they say. OK emotions run high, but as soon as bans are handed out that will change.

 

[talkshowhost86]

If Rugby can do it, why can't football ? There must be one fundamental reason why not. Can anyone think of one ? You could even add a spoiler at the start of every game telling everyone that you may hear the odd swear word. At least then everyone is accountable for what they say. OK emotions run high, but as soon as bans are handed out that will change.

The clubs aren't as powerful in rugby so they accept the bans that are rightly handed out to people who abuse the ref etc. The people in football these days are just power/money mad megalomaniacs and as soon as they see any harsh punishments coming their way they'll threaten to set up their own league blah blah blah.

The game won't change unfortunately. In fact it's likely to get worse and worse

Abuse, diving, spiralling wages, the decimation of small clubs, the falling away of the importance of cup competitions, massive ticket prices, corruption and the continuing existence of John Terry. These are all blights on the game and the authorities will do fuck all about it.

*sigh*

 

[llamafarmer]

I know it's different tack, but i was over my park Saturday with my girls and i watched some Saturday league footie, not high standard but good enough to have a rope around the pitch and some advertising hoardings.

The abuse the ref was getting was unreal, from both sides and from the touchline, the subs warming up and the manager/coaches. Every decision he made was met with swearing, questions of his parentage and his eyesight. It makes you wonder if it is all worth it and how the ref can contain himself against such vitriol. I suppose you magnify this by 100 and we can begin the understand what a PL ref goes through each week. Who, this week, would want to ref a Chelsea game in light of what's happened.

I remember playing a youth game when i was maybe 13 or 14 and we had a female ref who got so much abuse from the twat parents on the touchline it drove her to tears and she quit refereeing after the game. She was on her own (no linesmen) in a field being bullied and I'll never forget horrible it was or how they laughed about it afterwards. Someone who'd given up her Saturday to come and referee our match. I lost a of love for playing football that day. Respect for referees needs real action, not the meaningless words the FA wave about

 

[Challows]

I'm a referee in the lower leagues in Oxfordshire and sadly some of the abuse you get is not worth the effort of doing it. The lower leagues, you are literally there by yourself, and I've had abuse from players, coaches, even kids.

Only one game I've really feared for my myself. I was refereeing a game for a team I used to play for on Sunday mornings as the referee scheduled had called off sick. The away team had a reputation for being unsavoury towards opponents and officials and about 10 minutes after booking the captain for continued foul and abusive language, I walked the wall back for him as he requested from a free kick and he launched into a torrent due to the fact I was a cheating c***, etc, etc. I told him I wasn't having that after repeatedly warning him, so showed him the red card, which only influenced him to hit me and the rest of the team to start charging upon us. The home team came in, it turned into a brawl and the game was abandoned.

After filing my report, I received a letter thanking me for my report and that they would be bringing disciplinary proceedings against the team. I never heard a word back from the local football authority, yet the other team got removed from the league later that season, only after hitting another referee. You just don't get any protection in the lower leagues and if you were to try and make a stand against it, you have no one to back you. And for £40, Sunday football doesn't really interest me anymore.

 

[SteveH]

I hope this whole affair is one big own goal for Chelsea FC.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I'm a referee in the lower leagues in Oxfordshire and sadly some of the abuse you get is not worth the effort of doing it. The lower leagues, you are literally there by yourself, and I've had abuse from players, coaches, even kids.

Only one game I've really feared for my myself. I was refereeing a game for a team I used to play for on Sunday mornings as the referee scheduled had called off sick. The away team had a reputation for being unsavoury towards opponents and officials and about 10 minutes after booking the captain for continued foul and abusive language, I walked the wall back for him as he requested from a free kick and he launched into a torrent due to the fact I was a cheating ****, etc, etc. I told him I wasn't having that after repeatedly warning him, so showed him the red card, which only influenced him to hit me and the rest of the team to start charging upon us. The home team came in, it turned into a brawl and the game was abandoned.

After filing my report, I received a letter thanking me for my report and that they would be bringing disciplinary proceedings against the team. I never heard a word back from the local football authority, yet the other team got removed from the league later that season, only after hitting another referee. You just don't get any protection in the lower leagues and if you were to try and make a stand against it, you have no one to back you. And for £40, Sunday football doesn't really interest me anymore.

Am sorry to hear that mate, particularly in a game where you were just filling in for someone else!

When I used to play Sunday football, our manager instilled in us that we should never swear at the ref and the parents of all players on our team behaved themselves. But we played loads of teams that clearly didn't follow this rule and obviously the managers and the parents of those kids should be ashamed of themselves.

It doesn't help of course when you see the professional players acting the way they do. If you watch players shouting at the ref, diving and generally acting like fuckwits whilst getting away with it and getting the full support of their manager (yes Brendan Rodgers I'm looking at you) then it's hardly surprising that it gets imitated by youngsters.

When I was younger I thought football was increcible and to a certain extent I still love the game. But it really is a cesspit of behaviour from people at all levels of the game and my instinct is to slowly walk away from it all.

Rugby is the way to go.

 

[Monkey boy]

I remember playing a youth game when i was maybe 13 or 14 and we had a female ref who got so much abuse from the twat parents on the touchline it drove her to tears and she quit refereeing after the game. She was on her own (no linesmen) in a field being bullied and I'll never forget horrible it was or how they laughed about it afterwards. Someone who'd given up her Saturday to come and referee our match. I lost a of love for playing football that day. Respect for referees needs real action, not the meaningless words the FA wave about

What was she doing on the pitch in the first place? Was she there to wash the kits and got ropped into reffing the match or something?

 

[cwy21]

I remember playing a youth game when i was maybe 13 or 14 and we had a female ref who got so much abuse from the twat parents on the touchline it drove her to tears and she quit refereeing after the game.

Where else in western civilization would this be acceptable for "adults" to do this in front to their children?

 

[Blackcanary]

Just seen an update on SSN and I sure I detect a change in rhetoric this morning, Clattenburg refutes everything and says he will fight this to the bitter end, the FA said that they will punish Chelsea if these claims cannot be verified, chelsea are holding an internal investigation with an outside party involved and the three other officials have backed up the Referee.
A subtle shift maybe but it just seems that the onus is now on the club to come up with proof which I suspect others are doubting they can do.
One side effect of this is the complaint to the Police by the Society of black lawyers who I understand are supportive of the black players who want to start a black players association which I suspect all means that they are now studying every game looking for anything they can make a complaint about and that puts the game under a very strong microscope.

Yep, even the Daily Fail is hedging its bets this morning: Saying that it could be a case of Ramires mishearing Clattenberg because of his accent. I think Chelsea have shot themselves in the foot here, big time.

 

[montylynch]

That's the thing, people are copying exactly what the pros do. I have kids outside my house playing footie on the green, they spit, they swear and the diving they do is unreal. I've even seen kids do that arms behind the backs thing that Terry and Cahill do. This must have either been instilled in them by either their club or their parents or they are simply copying what the pros do. I know all the kiddies games that take place, now have a rope around the pitch, set back say a couple of feet, to try and distance them from the ref, but i've seen mum's as well as dad's tear strips off the refs.

 

[robbiedee]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh...that rope is called the FA respect barrier.

The kids I coach are only U8's and the football is supposed to be non-competitive. Even now you can hear some of the parents hurling abuse from the touchline. I'm not looking forward to progressing up the age groups because some of the stories I've heard in this thread and elsewhere really do beggar belief.

I really hope Chelsea come out of this looking like the bunch of complete wankers that we all know they are. Horrible, horrible club.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Now the claim is that it's a mis-interpretation of what Clattenburg actually said, because of his northern accent.
It's thought he said "shut it Mikel" not "monkey" - which would explain why 2 foreigners have decided that they heard racist comments.

Chelsea seem to be backing themselves into a corner over this one now.
Nothing should have been made public until an investigation was completed.

Also, I'm not happy that this "league of black lawyers" is allowed to step in. There are 2 issues I have - firstly, they had no involvement in the original issue and therefore have no place to ask the Met police to investigate. Secondly, all this will do is start to drive a bigger wedge in the racial issue.

 

[worcestersauce]

On the parents abuse with the kids, when my boy was young 10 or 11 his club attended a 5 a side tournament during the summer, it was a good day, they always are, but his team played a side from Enfield who were really good and won the match playing some cracking stuff, my wife applauded them at the end congratulating the manager and she got a right mouthful from one of "our" mums who said they're the enemy and she shouldn't applaud them, go figure.
By the way the other mum regretted her stupidity pretty quickly as my wife explained her mistake in no uncertain terms.
Inauspicious start for the SoBL if this backfires on them by the way.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh...that rope is called the FA respect barrier.

The kids I coach are only U8's and the football is supposed to be non-competitive. Even now you can hear some of the parents hurling abuse from the touchline. I'm not looking forward to progressing up the age groups because some of the stories I've heard in this thread and elsewhere really do beggar belief.

I really hope Chelsea come out of this looking like the bunch of complete wankers that we all know they are. Horrible, horrible club.

As coach you could call in the parents before each season and tell them what to expect from them and their kids. If they don't follow that then fair enough you can't do anything else, but at least you've tried.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Now the claim is that it's a mis-interpretation of what Clattenburg actually said, because of his northern accent.
It's thought he said "shut it Mikel" not "monkey" - which would explain why 2 foreigners have decided that they heard racist comments.

Chelsea seem to be backing themselves into a corner over this one now.
Nothing should have been made public until an investigation was completed.

Also, I'm not happy that this "league of black lawyers" is allowed to step in. There are 2 issues I have - firstly, they had no involvement in the original issue and therefore have no place to ask the Met police to investigate. Secondly, all this will do is start to drive a bigger wedge in the racial issue.

Interesting - where did you see this?

 

[beats1]

So it turns out Ramires doesnt speak good English and Luiz speaks relatively good english and the Mail are saying they may of not heard Mark's accent properly, which is likely

Last year we had 35 foreign students in our class for Engineering and the one thing they didnt understand was accent, so to me it is plausible, they spoke perfect english but as soon as someone spoke in a strong accent they were lost

If this does happen to be true this will mean action will be held against Ramires and Luiz but action will taken against the players and staff involved in the melee afterwards

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

So it turns out Ramires doesnt speak good English and Luiz speaks relatively good english and the Mail are saying they may of not heard Mark's accent properly, which is likely

Last year we had 35 foreign students in our class for Engineering and the one thing they didnt understand was accent, so to me it is plausible, they spoke perfect english but as soon as someone spoke in a strong accent they were lost

If this does happen to be true this will mean action will be held against Ramires and Luiz but action will taken against the players and staff involved in the melee afterwards

I disagree, action should be taken against either Ramires and Luiz or Chelsea for reporting it. Its such a serious accusation that you would have to be damn sure thats what you heard and should be discussed at length before reporting it especially after so much scandal!

Otherwise next time a team gets screwed over by a ref they may mishear the ref saying "offside" and report that they heard the ref say "I love Hitler and paedos" with no fear of recrimination.

 

[beats1]

I disagree, action should be taken against either Ramires and Luiz or Chelsea for reporting it. Its such a serious accusation that you would have to be damn sure thats what you heard and should be discussed at length before reporting it especially after so much scandal!

Otherwise next time a team gets screwed over by a ref they may mishear the ref saying "offside" and report that they heard the ref say "I love Hitler and paedos" with no fear of recrimination.

But can you throw the book at someone because they misheard someone due to not much exposure to the regional accent