Did you realise how much we are hated?

[Bonjour]

No it wasn't.


There, I said it.

 

[StartingPrice]

so what if we are hated!
i couldnt give a toss.i would rather be hated and where we are,
then felt sorry for,laughed at and liked near the bottom.

ive followed spurs since THE 1970'S..and for all you young uns

WE ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A BIG MASSIVE CLUB!!!!

AND ALWAYS WAY WILL BE...SO ALL THE SPURS HATERS CAN DO ONE!!!

i grew up when there was the famous 5 even back then ,kinda like the sky 4 today.

the 5 BIG clubs were...man u,liverpool,everton,scum and spurs.

I've followed Spurs sice the 1970s (and I can actually claim to having become a Spurs fan in the year we were relagted and carried that on in our stay in the 2nd division - that's Championship to you younglings:grin.
And I would just echo my esteemed friend (or E-Steamed fiend) here. There always was a Big 5 (and we were one of them), and the only time there stopped being a Big 5 was when the footballing authorities got into bed with the media for a big, sloppy wet session - the result of which was a bastard lust-child called "Baby Top4=CL qualification=Huge Revenues=Huge Gulf Opening Up" (aka Big 4, aka Sky 4). N.B. The Big 5 had nothing to do with qualification to a particular tournament, and anyone could force their way into the reckoning via a period of hard work and inspiration (think Forest were well on their way to doing that, probably at the expense of United, pre-Fergie).

 

[milyid]

I've followed Spurs sice the 1970s (and I can actually claim to having become a Spurs fan in the year we were relagted and carried that on in our stay in the 2nd division - that's Championship to you younglings:grin.
And I would just echo my esteemed friend (or E-Steamed fiend) here. There always was a Big 5 (and we were one of them), and the only time there stopped being a Big 5 was when the footballing authorities got into bed with the media for a big, sloppy wet session - the result of which was a bastard lust-child called "Baby Top4=CL qualification=Huge Revenues=Huge Gulf Opening Up" (aka Big 4, aka Sky 4). N.B. The Big 5 had nothing to do with qualification to a particular tournament, and anyone could force their way into the reckoning via a period of hard work and inspiration (think Forest were well on their way to doing that, probably at the expense of United, pre-Fergie).

My first game was pre season 1971. I agree completely, Spurs were always one of the top clubs in The UK. Fans today are brainwashed by Skys incessant crap. CL football suits them for advertising etc., in fact if it wasn't for football they would have went bust years ago. Spurs have a charisma that has enabled them to have continued support throughout the World despite not being in the "Sky 4" clique. Just think if we had a league tradition instead of a cup tradition, Mr Gray et al would pee themselves:wink:

 

[StartingPrice]

My first game was pre season 1971. I agree completely, Spurs were always one of the top clubs in The UK. 1) Fans today are brainwashed by Skys incessant crap. CL football suits them for advertising etc., in fact if it wasn't for football they would have went bust years ago. 2) Spurs have a charisma that has enabled them to have continued support throughout the World despite not being in the "Sky 4" clique. Just think if we had a league tradition instead of a cup tradition, Mr Gray et al would pee themselves:wink:

1) Nothing piss*s me orf as much as when media punters, and, following them, fans, talk about 'since the beginning of the Premiership' as though the top flight didn't exist until Sky came along

2) This kinda what I was getting at when I mentioned Forest/United in regard to the (former) Big 5. Forest were far more successful than United in the late seventies and eighties - but United always had that kinda aura about them that gave them a profile above their actual performance at that time.

 

[ValenciaYid]

one word...

jelousy

why? because

We've alway had money to spend on big name players going back the last 30 years...

because of that weve always been a topic for the media, we get/got the most media coverage outside the recent usual suspects...

there are plenty of spurs fans around

we have lots of money and ambitions

Lets be real here, if the bloke that lived next door you kept buying better and more decent cars, going out with a stream of sexy women, extending his house, buying one abroard and so on and all you did was hear about non stop, you'd probably get the ache yourself...

some of the posts on the bluemoon page are clearly written by kids, one for instance says that he's always had a soft spot for the arse because they play nice footfall!!! so he's watched football for as long as wengers been there...

ignore the fools, theyre bitter and jealous children, who dedicate time and effort in expressing their pain....

YID ARMY

 

[Delboy10]

We don't care what the other teams say
What the hell do we care?!
For we only know
That there's gonna be a show
And the Tottenham Hotspur will be there!

 

[DC_Boy]

like it DB - I'd rep ya but can't

we are a confusing club to support for us fans - so we must send out some very mixed messages to to other fans

tho i dislike sky - what's done for us far more than them is chelsea's and now city's lottery win

chelsea didn't become part of the big 4 till they got the lotto -

had they not - they were in danger of administration and we could have profited, both short and long term

had it been us not them, we'd probably be even more hated but we'd be soooo rich and successful we really wouldn't care

that wasn't just the opportunity of a lifetime - it was the opportunity of a century

ever since then for me the Big 4 has been beyond us - and continues to be so - we might get an occasional 4th spot at best but not enough to crack the cartel

only city will be able to do that (for the foreseeable future - maybe with a new stadium and perhaps new owners for us things might be different in 10 years time, but Nostradamus I ain't)

you could argue it's sky's fault indirectly for attracting billionaire benefactors

but let's be honest the last time we even came reasonably close to winning the title was in the 80s and the last time we were the best team in england was either 62 or 63, take your pick -

you could possibly argue 86-7 but no trophies kinda says no, there's a claim for the 81-2 team as well, but i think we needed the Lge cup or ECWC on top of the FA cup claim to make a real claim against pool or villa that season

we had a long period of being 'less than the best' pre-Sky

one thing i will say to younger fans - is a lot of them don't realise how important the FA Cup was pre-Sky

it meant so much in the 50, 60s, 70s and 80s and was seen as different to, but just as important as the Lge - it had the glamour and the Final was easily the most watched game of the season in club - both stadium-wise for many years - but more importantly as pretty much the only live TV domestic club game with the Final's global audience - more people would see the final than the entire season's worth of a lge winner's live audience

in fact it might be in some seasons the Final was watched by more people than the the total live audience for the whole of the top flight in that season

in my experience people could more easily recall who won the FA Cup in a particular year than who won the lge for a whole swathe of football history

the cup also had the romance of the giant-killers that people took to their hearts nationally, plus cup games were seen as bigger generally than lge games

this may seems a bit off topic but it's relevant - because pre-Sky we were one of the biggest FA cup teams of all - amybe the biggest

but now people seem to disregard our 8 wins there and go on about titles

but FA Cup wins meant one hell of a lot for well over a 100 years

what was the first six figure crowd in a stadium - not just for English football, but almost certainly for world football, and indeed probably world sport

yep it was spurs sheff utd - 1901 cup final

i can't tell you the lge figurs that season, but my guess that crowd would have been well ove double the highest lge crwod that season and possibly three times as many

and the first wembley final - probably about 200,000 tried to watch it

lge games didn't even come close

 

[EastLondonYid]

I've followed Spurs sice the 1970s (and I can actually claim to having become a Spurs fan in the year we were relagted and carried that on in our stay in the 2nd division - that's Championship to you younglings:grin.
And I would just echo my esteemed friend (or E-Steamed fiend) here. There always was a Big 5 (and we were one of them), and the only time there stopped being a Big 5 was when the footballing authorities got into bed with the media for a big, sloppy wet session - the result of which was a bastard lust-child called "Baby Top4=CL qualification=Huge Revenues=Huge Gulf Opening Up" (aka Big 4, aka Sky 4). N.B. The Big 5 had nothing to do with qualification to a particular tournament, and anyone could force their way into the reckoning via a period of hard work and inspiration (think Forest were well on their way to doing that, probably at the expense of United, pre-Fergie).

i was very young,but went to every home game that year.
i remember the 9-0 colin lee and all that .in that old div 2.

i also remember we went down to the final day,and drew 0-0 at the dell.
and i will never forget,soton hit the post in the last few minutes.a bloke called Funnell...thats how i shit myself,i remember his name.
but we hang on to finish 3rd behind bolton and soton.
we had an average gate of about 45000 ...capacity was 50000 or somthing like that.
the very next season is when we got ossie and ricky.

 

[Gilzeanking]

While we are on the subject of reminding younger members of how Spurs were a top team , our habit of breaking UK transfer records was quite something up until the 90s .

I know just spending money doesn't mean a club are good , but it was a clear indication of our ambition and size . We always aimed for the League title in those days .

I remember being shocked to hear Teddy bigging up a coming 90s season by saying we were hoping to get into the top 6 for a Europe appearance...

It may well be that Sugar's parsimony and foresight is partially responsible for Levy's ability to buy Harry the players he wants now...but novice Sugar's transfer policy/management choices were disastrous ,effectively downsizing us and removing us from the top table just as the Prem got into its stride ...and money started to flow to the top clubs .

 

[DC_Boy]

as far as i remember we spent big under sugar too - not wisely but big - rebrov ferdinand perry thatcher were all big money signings for the day

we did get downsized under sugar - but while i never believed for one minute he saved the club - i do believe we had financial problems that had to be addressed

the rot had set in when we had to sell to buy - that occurred before sugar - the first one of note was waddle that i recall

 

[DC_Boy]

PS my long ramble on the FA Cup was to try to explain to some younger fans just why we were so big

if you take the current emphasis on the lge and denigration of the FA Cup

(which is rife on these pages BTW - i can't believe how low down in some people's priorities our FA cup games have been this season, especially the fulham replay one and our upcoming one v pompey - for since the draw was made after ourgame at fulham, it's become apparent we have a great chance to win thing, and a favourites chance to reach the final for the first time this century)

so to return to my point

if you take the current emphasis on the lge and denigration of the FA Cup

then it's hard for younger supporters to see just why we were such big club

it's funny when finishing top 4 wasn't the be all and end all of football as we know it - we used to do it regularly and get annoyed cos it wasn't top 1

i remember billy nick saying how much he'd swap our nearlies for one more title

under him for example we had a consecutive run of 3rd 1 3rd 2nd and there were other top 4 finishes too

even as late as the period 1981-1990 we had four of five top 4 finishes out of ten

but listen to oppo fans and they'll just jibe who are spurs - won less titles than huddersfield etc etc - no titles in colour etc

 

[Murder She]

If you look at the threads on the villa and city forums, they only a very small minority of posters. I wouldn't judge the entire support of those clubs based on a few people who state views anonymously.

As for one of the reasons we are hated so much, maybe the waving of notes at games against northern teams during the recession under Thatcher didn't help. To say I was ashamed of that behaviour is an understatement

 

[StartingPrice]

i was very young,but went to every home game that year.
i remember the 9-0 colin lee and all that .in that old div 2.

i also remember we went down to the final day,and drew 0-0 at the dell.
and i will never forget,soton hit the post in the last few minutes.a bloke called Funnell...thats how i shit myself,i remember his name.
but we hang on to finish 3rd behind bolton and soton.
we had an average gate of about 45000 ...capacity was 50000 or somthing like that.
the very next season is when we got ossie and ricky.

Bristol (MMmm, yes please) Row-fers:beer:

A young, audacious pup. called Glenda GHoddle - and the trademark volley.

These two thangs are all I truly remember with any clarity from that season - I were only nine:grin:

 

[DC_Boy]

good points 'murder she' and welcome to SC

there is so much behaviuor of some spurs fans that I'm ashamed of

their treatment of players like JJ Lee Stalteri Armstrong and Bent (how he must lofed it yesterday) for example

 

[Son_Of]

If you look at the threads on the villa and city forums, they only a very small minority of posters. I wouldn't judge the entire support of those clubs based on a few people who state views anonymously.

As for one of the reasons we are hated so much, maybe the waving of notes at games against northern teams during the recession under Thatcher didn't help. To say I was ashamed of that behaviour is an understatement

+1 on both points

 

[raf18]

I recently read a thread on a sunderland forum asking why we were hated so much. The response was that they hate Redknapp. Nothing too personal towards us.

 

[ShelfSide18]

If you look at the threads on the villa and city forums, they only a very small minority of posters. I wouldn't judge the entire support of those clubs based on a few people who state views anonymously.

As for one of the reasons we are hated so much, maybe the waving of notes at games against northern teams during the recession under Thatcher didn't help. To say I was ashamed of that behaviour is an understatement

Good post, and welcome to SC :up:

 

[Achap]

If you look at the threads on the villa and city forums, they only a very small minority of posters. I wouldn't judge the entire support of those clubs based on a few people who state views anonymously.

As for one of the reasons we are hated so much, maybe the waving of notes at games against northern teams during the recession under Thatcher didn't help. To say I was ashamed of that behaviour is an understatement

The first point I certainly agree with.

As for 'loads of money' that was all many years ago, and was a common enough gesture at the time - made by supporters of most southern clubs to northern fans. So I can't think why the fans of other clubs should now be thought to associate it with Spurs supporters particularly.

 

[Murder She]

Thank you for the 'welcome' comments.

Re the waving of money, in my experience, opposition fans tend to associate that with us. But like I said, only in my experience.

To be honest, I find the whole attitude of "I hate the fans of...." to be puzzling. Just because someone supports a particular team, for example because of where he/she or even where his/her father is from, it doesn't make that person 'inferior' or persona non grata.

 

[Achap]

To be honest, I find the whole attitude of "I hate the fans of...." to be puzzling. Just because someone supports a particular team, for example because of where he/she or even where his/her father is from, it doesn't make that person 'inferior' or persona non grata.

It's a puzzle to me too. Fans on football Internet forums can perhaps be divided into two main groups: those interested in football - and tribalists. Those opposing fans interested in football are often knowledgeable and easy enough to get along with, either on the Internet or in person, but tribalists are generally just prats. They tend to be either youngsters trapped in a one horse/team town like Sunderland or similar, who shout at people from other towns, or - even worse - those who 'support' clubs in places they have never visited, but whose teams are currently successful. You get American students, for example, who have never been to a football game, 'supporting' Manchester United on RedCafe; offering only abuse to supporters of what they assume must be lesser teams.

I am not a psychologist, but it seems clear that these tribalists just have a simple need to belong to an identifiable group - either to 'fight' to protect the small town they live in, or to give themselves a sense of added worth by belonging to a large, successful, 'gang' in another town, or even country.

On pretty much every football forum, those that enjoy football abhor - but usually tolerate - the tribalists screaming at the opposition (and often at their own team or fans). They resemble nothing so much as a flock of starlings swirling in formation and swooping together - on particular players, or on other clubs - with little idea why, just that the rest of the flock are doing it.

There's nothing new in any of the above to anyone on here, but just to point out that tribalists on other boards are best ignored.