Disappointed with our lack of transfer strategy

[Buckoxx]

Bale...modric...Berbatov...Carrick?

Fabregas...Henry...RvP...Vermaelen?

 

[$hoguN]

Yeah I also f**king hate it when we target actual areas of weakness in the squad and keep our best players.

BALDINI, POCHETTINO AND LEVY OUT.

 

[cornelius knob]

Fabregas...Henry...RvP...Vermaelen?

All these players left the scum after they either won titles with them, or at least qualified for the CL and finished above us. So to make the comparison is quite embarissing really.

 

[dude573]

Its been a bit boring with no big big names coming in like last year, but we have sorted and seem to be sorting out our defence. And that has been the problem for the past 5 years now. I'm not sure what will happen come deadline day, but we are still in the mix for MS and MM, so we'll just have to wait and see.

I wouldn't say I feel disappointed, I just feel a bit bored with our activity, that doesn't mean we have been poor in the window, we just haven't been exciting as we usually are in the transfer merry-go-round. But we have bought smart and there is still time.

I think talking about football when there is no football actually on yet sends people into a panicked frenzy.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Oh for crying out loud. let me spell it out. A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM POSTED THAT HAVING A TRANSFER STRATEGY OF DEVELOPING YOUNG PLAYERS WITH THE INTENTION OF SELLING THEM FOR PROFIT WAS ADMIRABLE. Not me, someone else. I.e, another person. What I said was that for a fellow yid to advocate such a policy, especially as we`ve actually won next to fuck-all under Lewis/Levy, was shameful. And your bit about Southampton ? Well surely your not gonna start comparing Spurs with Southampton. Ridiculous.

I get that but that's pretty much just the reality of football, it's not even anything new. The best players make their way to the clubs who have the best chance of winning titles and paying the highest wages. What was your solution to Bale, Modric and Berbatov wanting to leave? Sure you could put them in the reserves but how does that help us? They just end up leaving for free anyway and it would make it harder to sign good young players in the future.

 

[SpurSince57]

Couldn`t agree more. Shame you and I are in such a minority. So many losers on here seem happy for us to just accept our shocking record of achievement under Enic. They seem to think 5th or 6th is our ceiling and we should all be grateful to be where we are. Like you, I believe a club like THFC should always be aiming higher.

That's because it is. Five other clubs have turnovers ranging from £60m to £220m greater than ours; two of them are bankrolled by mega-rich owners. They can afford to pay much more for players, and afford to pay those players much more. Chelsea, Arsenal, City and United have wage bills that are greater than our turnover. Added to that, four of the five are going to be able to offer CL as a further incentive. Do you see the problem now, or does it have to be spelled out even more clearly for you? Or do you have a suggestion as to how we can match these five financially without doing a Leeds?

I know! Perhaps we should build a new stadium!

This does not mean we shouldn't be aiming to finish as high as possible.

 

[danielneeds]

Disappointed that once again Levy hasn't learned his lesson, and given his coach time to coach with the squad he wants.

We're still desperately lacking an experienced and vocal centre half, and while we may get some players in and out on deadline day, by then the treadmill of Europa games mid-week will have started and Poch will just have time to prepare the team match to match rather than work on the bigger picture.

 

[haydsmith]

I really wish I had the confidence that others seem to have that the defenders were/are the main problem, because when I watch us the only way I can see us scoring is through Adebayor doing something good or weird or Eriksen through a free kick. Chronic lack of class in the team.

 

[SpurSince57]

Disappointed that once again Levy hasn't learned his lesson, and given his coach time to coach with the squad he wants.

We're still desperately lacking an experienced and vocal centre half, and while we may get some players in and out on deadline day, by then the treadmill of Europa games mid-week will have started and Poch will just have time to prepare the team match to match rather than work on the bigger picture.

Is this really Levy's fault? Musacchio was obviously identified as our No. 1 target quite some time ago, and, whilst we don't know the ins and outs, it seems that he'd have been our player by now if it wasn't for Villareal dicking around. I'd rather we stuck with him rather than going for some Plan B, because I really cannot see the point in signing someone like Vlaar, still less Shawcross.

 

[Shea]

Is this really Levy's fault? Musacchio was obviously identified as our No. 1 target quite some time ago, and, whilst we don't know the ins and outs, it seems that he'd have been our player by now if it wasn't for Villareal dicking around. I'd rather we stuck with him rather than going for some Plan B, because I really cannot see the point in signing someone like Vlaar, still less Shawcross.

I do agree with this because what you say makes perfect sense based on everything we're been told on here via ITK etc

My one concern however is the frequency in which we seem to be told things about our targets being identified and us making all the right moves and doing everything we needed to only for the selling club to move the goal post right at the last min

It seems a bit like positive spin from our people leaking such info to ITK outlets to appease our fans in to thinking we did everything we could have but we let down by the selling club changing the demands and being unreasonable

Once or twice maybe but it seems to be the story we're told every time a deal doesn't go through - wheelbarrows of cash to buy Aguero and Rossi before goal posts were moved, deals wrapped up before goal posts moved for Mountinho and Leandro and now Schniderland and MM (as well as others)

I'm not saying these things aren't true - they may well be - it does however make me wonder somewhat when the same reason for transfers not being done are told to us

 

[SpurSince57]

I do agree with this because what you say makes perfect sense based on everything we're been told on here via ITK etc

My one concern however is the frequency in which we seem to be told things about our targets being identified and us making all the right moves and doing everything we needed to only for the selling club to move the goal post right at the last min

It seems a bit like positive spin from our people leaking such info to ITK outlets to appease our fans in to thinking we did everything we could have but we let down by the selling club changing the demands and being unreasonable

Once or twice maybe but it seems to be the story we're told every time a deal doesn't go through - wheelbarrows of cash to buy Aguero and Rossi before goal posts were moved, deals wrapped up before goal posts moved for Mountinho and Leandro and now Schniderland and MM (as well as others)

I'm not saying these things aren't true - they may well be - it does however make me wonder somewhat when the same reason for transfers not being done are told to us

I thought the 'ITK' about Levy motoring desperately around Spain with a couple of suitcases full of used scores in the boot of the Bentley was bollocks, and think so now. It's just so utterly out of keeping with everything we know (or think we know) about the way he operates. We had less than five days to pull off the Moutinho deal, because until Modric was sold we didn't have the money to do it—some people were seriously wondering if he would actually go.

 

[Shea]

I thought the 'ITK' about Levy motoring desperately around Spain with a couple of suitcases full of used scores in the boot of the Bentley was bollocks, and think so now. It's just so utterly out of keeping with everything we know (or think we know) about the way he operates. We had less than five days to pull off the Moutinho deal, because until Modric was sold we didn't have the money to do it—some people were seriously wondering if he would actually go.

I'm sure these deals are difficult to get done - not least when they're last minute efforts - but I do find it hard to believe that every time we did everything we could/should have and offered the sellers what they wanted only for them to change their demands and screw us over

I think its probably more to do with us low balling them and haggling over and over and either pissing them off and making them not want to sell to us or never actually meeting their valuation and them therefore not selling - at least some of the time I am sure this has been the case anyway, Levy trying to get a deal so good no selling club will agree to it rather than them saying "pay us 10mill" only to demand 20 when we stump up etc

I think there's probably also a massive hold up due to our inabilty to shift outgoing players and I doubt all of this is due to our players digging their heels in (as we seem to be told) and a lot also to do with Levy wanted money they're not really worth before selling them to release funds and squad space for our potential in comings

I'm sure Villareal and Southampton are not easy to deal with but I suspect we/Levy are also playing hardball and not being overly reasonable and coughing up what they want only to see the goal posts moved all the time (not that Levy is wrong for having a valuation we're prepared to pay - just that it's not the same as the sound bytes we receive that make us seem blameless and hard done by)

 

[Giovanni]

So just to summarise, our net spend right now is around 4m? The problem we have is offloading enough players at good enough prices because a lot of them have not been playing to anywhere near there potential. Only dawson 4m and sandro 14m are really the only 2 we could sell. Dembele we should keep, paulinho is better than hes shown and wont fetch more than 10m right now and naughton/fryers we cant sell whilst we have defensive injuries.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

I get that but that's pretty much just the reality of football, it's not even anything new. The best players make their way to the clubs who have the best chance of winning titles and paying the highest wages. What was your solution to Bale, Modric and Berbatov wanting to leave? Sure you could put them in the reserves but how does that help us? They just end up leaving for free anyway and it would make it harder to sign good young players in the future.

Reserves ? They even went on strike !

 

[Big Jeff]

I think the main thing you've got to ask yourself is would 'established' world class talent come to us when we are unable to pay the sort of wages that teams with the extra Champs Lge money can afford....

If we all take off our Spurs supporting glasses we can see why a player like Willian would choose Chelsea over us.

Tottenham
Play Europa League
Compete for top four
Get paid around £60k-£80kpw

Chelsea
Play Champions League
Compete for title
Get paid around £100k-£150kpw

We can't offer the crazy wages that the current top sides can so we need to take a risk on up and coming talents from europe or young potential from the UK. This is always hit and miss and for every Bale / Modric / Eriksen there is a Naughton / Chadli / Pav.

The other option is to go balls out and throw everything at success by buying and offering wages above our budget in the hope that we get Champs Lge (aka Leeds).

I like our approach

I too am very happy with our transfer strategy. We buy players well within our means and (usually) players with decent 'sell on values' and that acts like an insurance policy in case we get it wrong, or of course, as we've seen previously, the player explodes onto the scene and becomes more valuable than we'd ever imagined to other, bigger, richer clubs than ours. It's just plain good old fashioned business acumen.

Over the years, I've heard some really pathetic arguments about this very subject, but the weirdest one I hear frequently is where some fans almost begrudge the fact that after selling a few players, and buying a few players, we manage to retain our nett spend to virtually nothing, as if that's some sort of failing...!

Sheesh...

 

[CrazyHeart]

I'm actually happy with what we've got. We brought in some great talent last season and now it's time to develop them and get the best out of them. For me, Lamela and Soldado will be the ones to really step up this time around and pose a massive goal threat. Plus with Ade, Eriksen and a refurbished Lennon our forward setup looks pretty darn good. It's the defense that we need to weld shut! My preference is for Verts and Chiriches to sit in the center with Davies and Walker covering the defensive flanks... Can't wait for Yedlin to hit WHL! Go Spurs!

 

[cornelius knob]

Over the years, I've heard some really pathetic arguments about this very subject, but the weirdest one I hear frequently is where some fans almost begrudge the fact that after selling a few players, and buying a few players, we manage to retain our nett spend to virtually nothing, as if that's some sort of failing...!

You do realize you`ve just pissed all over your own argument dont you. As you say, "we retain our net spend to virtually nothing" and the result is ......WE WIN FUCK-ALL. We fail to make the champions league each season, we fail to make an impact in the cups each season, we finish below Woolwich every fucking season, but your happy and contented because we manage to "retain our net spend to virtually nothing". Well, sorry, but given our record of failure I aint fucking happy about it and neither should you be.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

You do realize you`ve just pissed all over your own argument dont you. As you say, "we retain our net spend to virtually nothing" and the result is ......WE WIN FUCK-ALL. We fail to make the champions league each season, we fail to make an impact in the cups each season, we finish below Woolwich every fucking season, but your happy and contented because we manage to "retain our net spend to virtually nothing". Well, sorry, but given our record of failure I aint fucking happy about it and neither should you be.

Yep. We should have a huge net spend and that will solve everything- we'll definitely win the quadruple then.

 

[dontcallme]

You do realize you`ve just pissed all over your own argument dont you. As you say, "we retain our net spend to virtually nothing" and the result is ......WE WIN FUCK-ALL. We fail to make the champions league each season, we fail to make an impact in the cups each season, we finish below Woolwich every fucking season, but your happy and contented because we manage to "retain our net spend to virtually nothing". Well, sorry, but given our record of failure I aint fucking happy about it and neither should you be.

That's all well and good but what's the alternative?

We could go the Villa route under O'Neill and have a high net spend, buy who the manager wants and maybe get an upward period. Problem with that is that eventually the money runs out and just when you've improved you don't have the money to go to the next level.

Same happened at Portsmouth under Redknapp. They got good results and trusted him with their money but they just didn't have the money to keep it up.

People really need to stop thinking a high net spend is the only sign of investment.

Good players don't just go for a high transfer fee, they go for high wages. We've continuously upped our wage bill and as a result have been able to buy the French number 1, Ajax's captain and most creative player and the others.

Would you be happy if last year we'd sold the same players for £70m and bought the same ones for £130m? It seems like the only way you judge our spending is if we spend more than we sell. It's fundamentally flawed.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Hopefully we'll sign a couple of top players before the window closes. A centre forward and a centre back.