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BringBack_leGin

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A few seasons ago I'd obessively make sure I was home to stream every away game not televised, and not miss any home game in any competition.

I haven't streamed one match this season, and probably only a few last season (though, to be fair, almost all our away games seemed to be on TV anyway), while I've missed West Ham Home in the league cup, one home game in the Europa League and two televised away games in the Europa league. I also did not stay until the final whistle (left after the fourth goal conceded on both occasions) at home v either Liverpool or Manchester City, things which I would have absolutely castigated fans for before (and am happy to be castigated for now). That said, I'll still have a go at anybody who leaves a match which could go either way until the final whistle goes, though I somehow feel less entitled to do so now given all I have just written.

When we pulled one back v City the other day, all around me celebrated as if that goal meant anything. I stood up and politely clapped before sitting back down within about 15 seconds. I took my girlfriend to one of our home games this season and spent half the match chatting with her (Palace home) rather than watching what was in front of me. The idea of taking a partner to a competitive game used to absolutely horrify me (though her Grandfather was a Spurs fan and she is actually a season ticket holder at Reading so she wasn't coming just as a fashion accessory like the majority of girlfriends who occasionally show up with their blokes). When we sold Bale, the greatest player I've seen at Spurs, who had just had the greatest season I'd seen from a player at Spurs, I calmly accepted it. When Berbatov, Keane, Carrick, Campbell, Ginola, Sheringham first time round, Klinsmann and the arsehole that was Stephane Dalmat left after just a few games (what can I say, the guy seemed a genius, albeit well known as a tosser) I was incredulous in different ways regardless of the nature of their departure. Hell, even losing Paul Robinson, who was clearly not up to it with us anymore (though I loved him every bit as the aforementioned and still do) hurt.

So, on the basis of all of the above, yes, I imagine I do care less. Hell, I'm even happy to be told I'm less of a fan. My only interest in our game away to Hull the other day, while out in town with my girlfriend, was to occasionally check the Sky Sports app on my phone to see the score. I think I did so at most 5 times in two hours. Do I blame the club, the players, the managers, the nature of football both on and off the pitch, or even my fellow fan? I don't know, none of that is quantifiable enough for me to attach culpability. Maybe I've out grown football obsession, which I find sad. A few years ago, on top of catching every minute of Spurs home and away, I did the same with Barca (at one point I could honestly say I'd seen every single minute and goal of Messi's first team club career). I'd watch a fair few Italian games, a fair few German, and most of the Spanish, even if recorded on Sky Plus, not to mention most big Premiership games. Now, outside of Spurs, which I've admitted I watch less of, I also watch barely any outside of Spurs. Has out growing football fanatacism (or, falling out of love with football, I believe that's the popular phrase these days) led to me being less affected and involved with Spurs, or is it the other way around? It's a little bit Chicken (or should I say, Cockerel) and egg I guess. I can't really figure out why this has happened, or even pin pointed when this happened. What it gradual, or was it sudden? I don't know. And yes, I do still post a fair bit (though, not as much as I used to) on here, but that's as much to do with my love of discussion and debate as it is about my interest in Spurs and football, and of course I'd rather discuss and debate a topic that I am knowledgable about with people familiar to me than take this interest to another field.

Maybe I just have more in my life now, and Spurs has become less important. Maybe it's nothing to do with the club, the fans, the game, the money, or anything else, maybe it's me growing up as a whole and taking my career, my love life and my family life more seriously than I once did, not to mention myself. I don't think this is the case though, because otherwise pretty much every man with a family to support would stop taking football seriously, and a lot of you on this forum do have healthy, balanced lives and are as mad about Spurs as always.

I'm not overly sure where I'm going with this, there doesn't appear to be a conclusion to be drawn as to why I don't feel what I used to feel, only that I don't feel as I used to feel, and that makes me very sad. I hope I recapture that feeling, as the emotions achievable through supporting Spurs cover an amazing range which I'm sure aren't matched by many things in life other than beginning a family, but as it stands I'm just not the supporter I was, and I can't guarantee that I will be again.
 

Tott66

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To be honest no,only natural I suppose being going 40 years last December been some great times but a lot of dark times also.
Defeats to the scum still really hurt and I often ask why do I put myself through this.
Still got some good mates who I meet up with and the social side is great because I would not see some people as often without tottenham.
The only other downside which I guess is football is the Leary attitude some people switch on as they get near a ground or in a pub,becomes more noticeable like on Saturday at hull ignorant people mostly our own and could easily end in grief if you don't bite your lip,which is unfortunate.
Don't ever want to scuffling with Tottenham fans.
 

Sum Monsterism

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Jun 12, 2012
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I'm about as apathetic over the whole football thing as I could be. It's top to bottom; the CL clubs looking for ways around the FFP rules, FIFA corruption, intolerant fans (abuse to players etc), the price of tickets, it's just a business - it's the money money money, muppet opinions from pundits, media turning everything into a mountain.

I've said before that I was giving up my season ticket, for financial reasons primarily. This season is the first I haven't been to WHL in a decade... Well I don't miss it, not one bit. I like listening to commentary on radio 5, when other teams are on. But everything else just frustrates the f*ck outta me... There's so much more in life to invest my energy in, I feel like a changed man. It's nice not to get so het up.


Of course I still wave a fist when Spurs win, I'm pleased. But losing is just meh now - rather than being annoying.
 

Spurger King

can't smile without glue
Jul 22, 2008
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Pretty much sums up exactly how I feel.

I remember going to that Bolton game (2006), where we rode our luck and Lennon scored just gone the hour mark. Dawson made a horrific challenge in the area, definite peno, but it wasn't given. The ref blew up, a banner was unfurled across the Park Lane "We're all going on a European Tour".

Amazing scenes. "Martin Jol's Blue & White Army" rang out. The crowd loved their manager. The crowd loved their players.

Then we sold Carrick and began our "sell our best player" trip that has seen us improve but only ultimately after a time that it seems that we haven't improved. If that makes sense.

To answer the thread? No. No I don't. And the sad thing is I thought as soon as I got my season ticket I would find an extra level and it turns out that I disagree with a fairly large number of fans on how you should support your club when in said stadium.

The bit about the support at the Lane is a big point too. I don't live in London so only get to go to a handful of games every season (though I've not been able to get to any this season, for various reasons).

The atmosphere was great when I went to see us play under Harry (and even under Ramos). However, last season I was at the Norwich 1-1 game (I think it was AVB's third Prem match), and couldn't believe how hostile the place felt. The booing at the end of the game was just moronic. The Wigan game was no better (even though we won). The majority of the fans just seemed angry if every single attack didn't end in a goal.

Then I went to the Fulham game. I got a ticket for Park Lane lower as I wanted to be in the noisiest, most pumped up part of the crowd. Instead it was 90 minutes of either anxious silence, or hostility. There was just a horrible vibe about the whole place. I think my pride at being a Spurs fan took a major hit at that game (not because of the loss). As much as I might moan on here before, during, or after a match, I've always had the belief that if you're at the game, you sing, cheer, and do everything you can to raise the spirits of your players. Not spend the whole time calling them all lazy ****s.
 

faymantaray

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I love watching Spurs but not so much football these days. And more and more I think about doing a Steve McQueen..

I think it's the comedown from the Modric/Bale/VDV era into something largely unknown is causing some fans to feel a bit low.
 

mattyspurs

It is what it is
Jan 31, 2005
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The bit about the support at the Lane is a big point too. I don't live in London so only get to go to a handful of games every season (though I've not been able to get to any this season, for various reasons).

The atmosphere was great when I went to see us play under Harry (and even under Ramos). However, last season I was at the Norwich 1-1 game (I think it was AVB's third Prem match), and couldn't believe how hostile the place felt. The booing at the end of the game was just moronic. The Wigan game was no better (even though we won). The majority of the fans just seemed angry if every single attack didn't end in a goal.

Then I went to the Fulham game. I got a ticket for Park Lane lower as I wanted to be in the noisiest, most pumped up part of the crowd. Instead it was 90 minutes of either anxious silence, or hostility. There was just a horrible vibe about the whole place. I think my pride at being a Spurs fan took a major hit at that game (not because of the loss). As much as I might moan on here before, during, or after a match, I've always had the belief that if you're at the game, you sing, cheer, and do everything you can to raise the spirits of your players. Not spend the whole time calling them all lazy ****s.
You are bang on about the Fulham game. I hated the atmosphere, and as you know, I am like yourself, don;t get the chance to get to many games.
 

Flashspur

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you sorry bunch of bastards and your porky pies - if you didn't care, you wouldn't be on here. This is where the hard core meet innit!
 

mattyspurs

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Not Spurs related, but tonight epitomises why I am falling out of love with football. The hype around tonights match, it's obscene. Where were these two clubs 10-12 years ago!!
 

Spurger King

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You are bang on about the Fulham game. I hated the atmosphere, and as you know, I am like yourself, don;t get the chance to get to many games.

That's the thing. I think we both felt the buzz of just being there, and having the chance to get to the Lane is still a special experience for me. But I can't say I'm excited by the prospect of travelling for three hours, walking 30 minutes to the ground ,then having to spend the match surrounded by people bitching and moaning the whole time.

Not having a pop at any season ticket holders on here by the way. I know there are still plenty of fans that give it their all at every game.
 

mattyspurs

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That's the thing. I think we both felt the buzz of just being there, and having the chance to get to the Lane is still a special experience for me. But I can't say I'm excited by the prospect of travelling for three hours, walking 30 minutes to the ground ,then having to spend the match surrounded by people bitching and moaning the whole time.

Not having a pop at any season ticket holders on here by the way. I know there are still plenty of fans that give it their all at every game.
I quite agree. all I heard that whole game, was anti american, anti Dempsey shouting, That is not supporting the team out there. You ight not like these players, but don't do it at the ground. It's why i'm not rushing back...ok lack of funds is why i'm not rushing back, but you know what I mean.
 

Harry Barber

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Fat lot of good some of you would have been back in the 2nd division. Leeds away, Blackpool away, not exactly exotic fixtures. Amateurs.
It's about the day out with mates you don't see all week, the drinking, the banter. Some of you take it so fucking seriously.
:0)
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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Touched on this the other day during my rant in the ratings thread. I'd say I still care as much, I watch virtually every game, and I'm on here every day expending time and energy and offering up the best of my opinion. I wouldn't do that if I didn't care.

I just find myself the last 3-4 years of getting more and more frustrated watching us play, to the point where its getting hard to enjoy it. I guess its high standards and expectations but in general I think a lot of what players and managers do is pretty incompetent... I guess my problem is that I genuinely think I could do things better! :)
 

spud

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Do you care as much as you did
Yes.

You don't? Never mind. You can always wait until we're world beaters, then you can start to care again.
 

robbiesavagehasbreasts

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May 23, 2007
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Finishing 4th after 9 months of football and 38 games ahead of Chelsea which means you qualify for Champions League football...

...only for it to be taken away by a winning penalty by Didier fucking Drogba playing for Chelsea fucking FC in a penalty shoot-out in a different competition..

well that was hard to take. And it made me less emotional about it all. I try not to make a weekend of football ruin the whole week for me, like I used to do. But I still care. Watch every game. Can't stop. Of course.
 

Gassin's finest

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May 12, 2010
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If so many of us are losing interest and can't be arsed anymore, can I have your season ticket? Because I still bloody care. A season of stumbling our way into the top 6, and only actually being 3 points off 4th, despite a bunch of mistakes is pretty easy to cope with after the dirge of the Sugar years... I'm pretty confident we won't be seeing that shit again for a while.

FFS I saw Sol Campbell handle the ball in the box at Old Trafford, Alan Shearer belt a thunderbolt past us in the last minute, and I had to ride a train full of Geordies back home afterwards. If that wasn't enough for me to give up and go play tennis instead nothing will be now.

It's the bloody ludicrous whinging on that I read on this forum this season that's making me not care.
 

Nocando

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People blame money but they should be looking closer to home. Its their expectations that are to blame.
 

riggi

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Not Spurs related, but tonight epitomises why I am falling out of love with football. The hype around tonights match, it's obscene. Where were these two clubs 10-12 years ago!!

Where were we 10-12 years ago!
 

mattyspurs

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Where were we 10-12 years ago!
I know where we were Riggster, my point is that we have built up gradually within our means. Those teams haven't, and to me that is what is wrong with modern day football.
 
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