Dos Santos to Zaragoza/What barcelona thought of him!

[fridgemagnet]

KPB always had the potential to be a good player.

Also Harry said he didn't really want to sell him but pompey took him as part of the deal for Niko.

 

[Locotoro]

From what I heard, it was Ronaldinho, Oleguer, Giovani and Deco who were causing trouble at Barca. This obviously wasn't an issue as far as Rijkaar was concerned, because he was happy to keep them. But the on pitch performances started to suffer. Rijkaar was sacked, Pep Guardiola took over and the 4 were sold. Which says to me that Pep saw those 4 as a problem. The fact that Rijkaard took him to Galatasaray only proves that Rijkaard has a different outlook to Guardiola.

What is clear is that Barca rarely sell off their best young players without giving them a chance. So they obviously didn't fancy Giovani much. Seeing as Barca are the best judges of young talent in the world, I think that speaks volumes.

Like Fabregas?

 

[chrissivad]

Like Fabregas?

he was stole by the man in a long coat down the road. Barca didn't want to sell.

 

[mano-obe]

I think the problem is that teams aren't willing to buy him just yet. He hasn't played much for us, didn't set the world alite at Galatasaray or even Ipswich, and simply isn't a great catch atm.

I think this sums it up perfectally. Ramos played him a few times and he was awful, and he hasn't done well abroad or in the championship.

Adel on the other hand has been the best player in the championship.

I don't know if we'll ever see the best of Dos Santos and to be honest I wont' regret him going. I'm more upset over Adel still

 

[AngerManagement]

Like Fabregas?

there is a huge difference between a club allowing a youngster to leave the club because they determine him to not have the potential to make the grade like they did with GDS to them having their young players moved to buy a club exploiting legislation allowing them to sign him beyond the selling clubs control like Arsenal did with Fabregas.

They never chose to sell Faregas and his situation and GDS are not at all alike. Certainly Fabregas moving to Arsenal cannot be used as evidence to suggest Barca were wrong (or could be wrong) to sell GDS (they had much more time and in which to assess GDS and even gave him first team mins, they were in a perfect position to assess his potential and determined him not good enough and got rid)

 

[phil]

GDS had 6 starts and 2 subs at Ipswich
Scored 4 and got 1 assist.

Of which 2 were penalties.

He was also criticised by Keane for turning up late for training.

Let's face it Gibbsy, he hasn't set the world alight at any of the clubs he's been at.

 

[spursandbarca]

From what I heard, it was Ronaldinho, Oleguer, Giovani and Deco who were causing trouble at Barca. This obviously wasn't an issue as far as Rijkaar was concerned, because he was happy to keep them. But the on pitch performances started to suffer. Rijkaar was sacked, Pep Guardiola took over and the 4 were sold. Which says to me that Pep saw those 4 as a problem. The fact that Rijkaard took him to Galatasaray only proves that Rijkaard has a different outlook to Guardiola.

What is clear is that Barca rarely sell off their best young players without giving them a chance. So they obviously didn't fancy Giovani much. Seeing as Barca are the best judges of young talent in the world, I think that speaks volumes.

oleguer wasnt any trouble at all the only thing he did to stir a few feathers was say hed refsue to play for spain because he is in favour of catalan independence and he made some comments about Franco being the scum of the earth. not really any different to what most catalans and basques think.

deco got caught drunk driving 2 times in 6 months. the 2nd time he he asked the mossos, cant you just follow me back to castdefels to my house. ronaldinho I could tell you with almost certainty where he would be out depending on the day of the week.

Ronaldinho and eto'o despised one another. it was ronaldinho, edmilson, dos santos, motta causing trouble. basically there was the brazilian clan and then puyol,messi,xavi, iniesta, valdes, bojan all the guys from la masia.

 

[Locotoro]

there is a huge difference between a club allowing a youngster to leave the club because they determine him to not have the potential to make the grade like they did with GDS to them having their young players moved to buy a club exploiting legislation allowing them to sign him beyond the selling clubs control like Arsenal did with Fabregas.

They never chose to sell Faregas and his situation and GDS are not at all alike. Certainly Fabregas moving to Arsenal cannot be used as evidence to suggest Barca were wrong (or could be wrong) to sell GDS (they had much more time and in which to assess GDS and even gave him first team mins, they were in a perfect position to assess his potential and determined him not good enough and got rid)

I agree entirely, I was simply playing devil's advocate :wink:

Giovani has shown in flashes that he has the technical ability to succeed at the top level but i'm not sure he has the mentality for it. He lacks the work rate, the determination and the confidence and bravery in himself.

Here's a question for some of you, Gio or Taraabt? Who is more talented? and who has a better chance of reaching the top level?

 

[AngerManagement]

I agree entirely, I was simply playing devil's advocate :wink:

Giovani has shown in flashes that he has the technical ability to succeed at the top level but i'm not sure he has the mentality for it. He lacks the work rate, the determination and the confidence and bravery in himself.

Here's a question for some of you, Gio or Taraabt? Who is more talented? and who has a better chance of reaching the top level?

I'd go with Taraabt as at least when I have seen him play he seems to have the ability to make an impact.

Taraabt is more direct and chances are he will create a goal or do something that will lead to a goal at some point.

GDS as look very ineffective other than a few pretty touches he does not seem up to the English game in any way.

That being said, I don't expect either of them to ever make it as high level EPL players (I doubt we will ever look at either and say 'we should never have sold him')

 

[peter123]

The fact that Adel can be such a selfish player and be the first name on the team sheet a QPR speaks volumes.

I think Warnock is one of the few managers that could actually put up with it.

Adel is streets ahead of Gio and in time he will have to change the way he plays, he will mature.

 

[fridgemagnet]

Here's a question for some of you, Gio or Taraabt? Who is more talented? and who has a better chance of reaching the top level?

Tarraabt changed his choice of national side from France to Morocco, who was ahead of him in the French team? and who is ahead of him in the Moroccan team, i think if he genuinely believed he was good enough he would fight to get in the French side.

Mexico are more likely to reach the world cup finals than Morocco IMHO so i would suggest Gio will get more exposure, i think Gio will eventually knuckle down and achieve a some success he is also more of a team player, Adel is French and by default is so stubborn i don't think he will ever be a team player and that for me is why for all the talent he has he will not be as successful as Gio.

That said Adel could be in a team that wins a league this season.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Tarraabt changed his choice of national side from France to Morocco, who was ahead of him in the French team? and who is ahead of him in the Moroccan team, i think if he genuinely believed he was good enough he would fight to get in the French side.

Mexico are more likely to reach the world cup finals than Morocco IMHO so i would suggest Gio will get more exposure, i think Gio will eventually knuckle down and achieve a some success he is also more of a team player, Adel is French and by default is so stubborn i don't think he will ever be a team player and that for me is why for all the talent he has he will not be as successful as Gio.

That said Adel could be in a team that wins a league this season.

Adel Taarabt will never be a good player because he is French?
Adel Taarabt chose to represent Morocco because he is lazy?

Very ignorant statements!

 

[Locotoro]

Tarraabt changed his choice of national side from France to Morocco, who was ahead of him in the French team? and who is ahead of him in the Moroccan team, i think if he genuinely believed he was good enough he would fight to get in the French side.

Mexico are more likely to reach the world cup finals than Morocco IMHO so i would suggest Gio will get more exposure, i think Gio will eventually knuckle down and achieve a some success he is also more of a team player, Adel is French and by default is so stubborn i don't think he will ever be a team player and that for me is why for all the talent he has he will not be as successful as Gio.

That said Adel could be in a team that wins a league this season.

Buddy, there's nothing wrong with picking Morocco over France. Had I been a footballer I would have chosen to play for Morocco over England? Does it make me lazy? No. It means that I have decided to represent Morocco instead of England.

Furthermore I think you will find that Adel has some quality players to compete with. A certain Chamakh and El Hamdaoui (joint top scorer in the Dutch league) in the forward positions and Bousouffa, Aisatti, Hadji, Amrabat and Chadli (who scored inboth matches against us for Twente). These players might not be well known here in the UK but I can assure you they are vastly superior to Taarabt when it comes to options for the national team.

This is part of the reason little adel has threatened to retire from international duty and why he wasnt selected against N. Ireland. He felt he was mistreated because he wasnt selected to play against Tanzania despite being in the squad. He hasnt matured one bit! Makes Naomi campbell look low maintenance

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

It's hard to say with the Gio and Adel comparison. It will be interesting to see how Adel fares next season in the EPL.

If I had to say I'd pick Adel in the EPL and Gio in La Liga

 

[DJS]

Woah I'd managed to completed miss that KPB had gone to Milan! Eek :lol:

oleguer wasnt any trouble at all the only thing he did to stir a few feathers was say hed refsue to play for spain because he is in favour of catalan independence and he made some comments about Franco being the scum of the earth. not really any different to what most catalans and basques think.

deco got caught drunk driving 2 times in 6 months. the 2nd time he he asked the mossos, cant you just follow me back to castdefels to my house. ronaldinho I could tell you with almost certainty where he would be out depending on the day of the week.

Ronaldinho and eto'o despised one another. it was ronaldinho, edmilson, dos santos, motta causing trouble. basically there was the brazilian clan and then puyol,messi,xavi, iniesta, valdes, bojan all the guys from la masia.

Why do they think Franco is the scum of the earth? (I presume it's the one who played for Mexico?).

Sorry if that's a dumb question, I don't keep up with Spanish / Catalan politics.

 

[Locotoro]

Woah I'd managed to completed miss that KPB had gone to Milan! Eek :lol:




Why do they think Franco is the scum of the earth? (I presume it's the one who played for Mexico?).

Sorry if that's a dumb question, I don't keep up with Spanish / Catalan politics.

lol

They are referring to General Franco

 

[spursandbarca]

Like Fabregas?

he wasnt sold. at the time you couldnt sign a player to a profesional contract until they were 18. wenger exploited the loophole. this is why rosell wont pay 50 million to get him back

 

[Bill_Oddie]

lol

They are referring to General Franco

Yes, but what of him representing Mexico at Association Football? I understand you singularly failing to address that taxing question, though. It's beyond me, also. Perhaps Svennis brought him in for a hastily-arranged friendly against Panama and it escaped the media spotlight.

 

[Locotoro]

he wasnt sold. at the time you couldnt sign a player to a profesional contract until they were 18. wenger exploited the loophole. this is why rosell wont pay 50 million to get him back

I know, I was actually referring to the fact he hadnt been thrust into the first team sooner and not his being sold.

Im aware of how the signing unfolded. If i had any other name than locotoro it would be "SpursandReal" if you catch my drift.

 

[Chris12345]

Why do they think Franco is the scum of the earth? (I presume it's the one who played for Mexico?).

When are the SC Awards...?! Quote of the year?! :lol: