ENIC...

[sundanceyid10]

They’ll just come up with another tortuously argued “reason” why they were always right. It’s how rigid minds work.

I won’t mention Brexit…

Success for a football club is winning things, actual trophies. It is not exactly rocket science. If we start winning pots then I don’t think anyone could argue Levy hasn’t done a good job . He has done well with the stadium but the lack of silverware will hover over him until that happens more regularly.

 

[Delboy75]

It might just be my rose tinted Tottenham glasses. But probably from the Jol era right up to now it’s like we’ve been knocking on the door to be a really top club. I know we have a great history, I know we had great times under Pochettino and got to a CL final. But it always felt a bit like we were punching. With the stadium, bigger revenue and cash injection and Conte this feels different to anything I think I’ve ever experienced as a Spurs fan. Even from what I can remember being young in the 80s. And this doesn’t just feel like a flash in the pan. It feels like it’s built on really solid foundations and it’s just the beginning. I said to some people that because of FFP the stadium revenue will put us in a position not far off having petro money backing. And that’s what it’s starting to look like.

 

[Whitey]

Levy finally put his critics to rest?

On the right path...If Conte agrees to rock solid 3 year extension, I think we'd see even more financial commitment from Levy, don't think we expect much more than what Levy is dong without that....for me it's a t?

 

[topper]

Levy finally put his critics to rest?

Dunno Rob but do you think it’s time to send A&C a membership pack for the BSoDL ?

 

[Real_madyidd]

Regardless Lewis’s level of interest in football itself, given that his share of THFC is potentially worth up to £2 billion (and therefore comfortably Tavistock Group’s single most valuable asset, representing a good 40% of his net worth), there can surely be little doubt that he pays considerable attention to THFC’s company performance, along with the wider business sector in which it operates.

You have pretty significantly undervalued Tavistocks assets there.

 

[Delboy75]

You have pretty significantly undervalued Tavistocks assets there.

He’s literally built one of the most high tech cities in America with investment to date of £8bn+ that’s winning all sorts of award with numerous blue chip companies moving their headquarters there. So I really doubt we are his biggest asset. Said all along a figure of £4bn for his wealth is nonsense. Double or triple that figure.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Dunno Rob but do you think it’s time to send A&C a membership pack for the BSoDL ?

haha

No, not yet. I don't fully subscribe to this 'Levy's masterplan' business either. I think there's a way to go before I start to come around but it's going well right now. Let's see how it all pans out over a period of time.

 

[Delboy75]

Levy must be loving this. South Korea is a huge fanatical market of 50m people. When you think about it Sonny might be the best signing the club has ever made on lots of levels.

 

[dudu]

I wonder if there are any ENIC Out protests planned this season?

@Cream will be there 100%

 

[Grey Fox]

Levy must be loving this. South Korea is a huge fanatical market of 50m people. When you think about it Sonny might be the best signing the club has ever made on lots of levels.

Been told Nike sent a hundred thousand new shirts out to Korea last week and they have sold out.

 

[DogsOfWar]

Success for a football club is winning things, actual trophies. It is not exactly rocket science. If we start winning pots then I don’t think anyone could argue Levy hasn’t done a good job . He has done well with the stadium but the lack of silverware will hover over him until that happens more regularly.

It is for us as we are fans.
But Levy is a chairman of a £500 million business that is responsible for hundred's of jobs and dozens of different departments.
His primary role is keeping the club afloat, and then growing the club financially to make it stronger.

I've played, coached/managed, at lower senior level and when you see what a chairman is responsible for, even at that level, it gives you a completely different perspective as to what his role is.
We see 11 blokes running around a pitch on a Saturday, he sees the upkeep and maintenance of the ground, the quality of the pitch, sourcing food and drink, employing dozens of stewards, groundstaff, catering people, organising club shops, cleaning the toilets, clearing up the litter afterwards, programme content/printing, arranging sponsors for advertising board, shirts etc. Organising transport to away games etc, and that is just matchday.
When you throw in youth academies, medical teams, sports scientists, gyms, canteens, training facilities, legal dept, financial dept, HR dept, IT dept, sales and marketing, organising events, and a hundred other things I've forgotten it is a truly massive undertaking.

When you see the feedback from practically every aspect of the club, from the food to the quality of pitch, over the last 20 years it is very positive.
When you look at the infrastructure it's ridiculously good.
When you look at the year on year rise in financial results it is massively successful.
And when you look at the true marker of progression on the pitch, average league position, we've improved massively over his 20 years.

And yet, had we won the CL final, we wouldn't be having this conversation as everyone would have agreed he was a success, but we lost and he's seen as a failure.

I just don't subscribe to how the odd 90 minutes of failure in a CL or league cup final can define Levy's tenure.

 

[cliff jones]

we've all got to be objective. The process that led to Nuno was fkin farcical.

Everything since Conte brilliant.

Btw, we should have toured Korea well before Covid- not doing so was a mistake.

 

[Delboy75]

Been told Nike sent a hundred thousand new shirts out to Korea last week and they have sold out.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we announced some big commercial deal while there. They did the AIA announcement while in Singapore. It’s quite surprising we don’t have a big Korean sponsor as far as I remember.

 

[whitestreak]

It is for us as we are fans.
But Levy is a chairman of a £500 million business that is responsible for hundred's of jobs and dozens of different departments.
His primary role is keeping the club afloat, and then growing the club financially to make it stronger.

I've played, coached/managed, at lower senior level and when you see what a chairman is responsible for, even at that level, it gives you a completely different perspective as to what his role is.
We see 11 blokes running around a pitch on a Saturday, he sees the upkeep and maintenance of the ground, the quality of the pitch, sourcing food and drink, employing dozens of stewards, groundstaff, catering people, organising club shops, cleaning the toilets, clearing up the litter afterwards, programme content/printing, arranging sponsors for advertising board, shirts etc. Organising transport to away games etc, and that is just matchday.
When you throw in youth academies, medical teams, sports scientists, gyms, canteens, training facilities, legal dept, financial dept, HR dept, IT dept, sales and marketing, organising events, and a hundred other things I've forgotten it is a truly massive undertaking.

When you see the feedback from practically every aspect of the club, from the food to the quality of pitch, over the last 20 years it is very positive.
When you look at the infrastructure it's ridiculously good.
When you look at the year on year rise in financial results it is massively successful.
And when you look at the true marker of progression on the pitch, average league position, we've improved massively over his 20 years.

And yet, had we won the CL final, we wouldn't be having this conversation as everyone would have agreed he was a success, but we lost and he's seen as a failure.

I just don't subscribe to how the odd 90 minutes of failure in a CL or league cup final can define Levy's tenure.

Wow what a great post! Most of our supporters do not realise what we have right now. But hopefully they will soon. When Levy came into the club, sports washing from Abramovic, Abu Dhabi and Newcastle were not a feature.
The top 4 were ManU , The Arse, Liverpool, and Leeds. During the last 10 years we have basically finished higher than all of them most of the time,
We are on an upwards trajectory, despite COVID, Abramovic has been and gone, we live in interesting times.
IMHO we are about to go on an extremely exciting journey, a golden period in our existence.
I could be wrong but I do not believe for one moment that Levy and or Lewis want to sell yet or any time soon.
If we continue to build success on the pitch hand in hand , with commercial success off it, I think they have only started to drive commercial revenue and that there are huge revenue streams as yet untapped globally, which will feed into the club that will translate to further success on the pitch.
Man U have lost their way, with a period of success on the pitch I believe we can overtake them as the most financially successful club in the EPL. That will drive trophies, as long as we keep the right managers on and off the pitch.

 

[Grey Fox]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we announced some big commercial deal while there. They did the AIA announcement while in Singapore. It’s quite surprising we don’t have a big Korean sponsor as far as I remember.

Agreed With the exposure out in the far East it would be a great time to nail ground sponsorship

 

[dudu]

It is for us as we are fans.
But Levy is a chairman of a £500 million business that is responsible for hundred's of jobs and dozens of different departments.
His primary role is keeping the club afloat, and then growing the club financially to make it stronger.

I've played, coached/managed, at lower senior level and when you see what a chairman is responsible for, even at that level, it gives you a completely different perspective as to what his role is.
We see 11 blokes running around a pitch on a Saturday, he sees the upkeep and maintenance of the ground, the quality of the pitch, sourcing food and drink, employing dozens of stewards, groundstaff, catering people, organising club shops, cleaning the toilets, clearing up the litter afterwards, programme content/printing, arranging sponsors for advertising board, shirts etc. Organising transport to away games etc, and that is just matchday.
When you throw in youth academies, medical teams, sports scientists, gyms, canteens, training facilities, legal dept, financial dept, HR dept, IT dept, sales and marketing, organising events, and a hundred other things I've forgotten it is a truly massive undertaking.

When you see the feedback from practically every aspect of the club, from the food to the quality of pitch, over the last 20 years it is very positive.
When you look at the infrastructure it's ridiculously good.
When you look at the year on year rise in financial results it is massively successful.
And when you look at the true marker of progression on the pitch, average league position, we've improved massively over his 20 years.

And yet, had we won the CL final, we wouldn't be having this conversation as everyone would have agreed he was a success, but we lost and he's seen as a failure.

I just don't subscribe to how the odd 90 minutes of failure in a CL or league cup final can define Levy's tenure.

It can't, the same way not buying a player for a couple of windows can't, nor can hiring the wrong manager.

The idea that we have somehow lucked our way into the situation we are in and it hasn't been an ongoing plan all along to get us, piece by piece to this stage is pretty much a conspiracy theory and says much more about fans wanting to be right about something rather than having a balanced view of what Levy has done for this club.

Everyone makes mistakes but when you look at our club as a whole we are in phenomenal shape now and stand to be for many years to come

 

[dontcallme]

Levy finally put his critics to rest?

It's an interesting one.

From the beginning Levy saw our finances and infrastructure was far behind our competitors and we couldn't consistently compete on the pitch until this gap was narrowed.

Our finances are now at a level where we can compete and for this Levy deserves huge credit. It might have taken a long time and some might have wantedmore money put into the playing side but I believe from this moment onwards our financial position is strong enough to consistently compete.

He's been hit and miss on his footballing decisions. It appears that Conte and Paratici are excellent choices to run the club and I see a few seasons of competing at the top end.

But no manager and DOF lasts forever. Will be interesting to see if he gets the next calls right.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

we've all got to be objective. The process that led to Nuno was fkin farcical.

Everything since Conte brilliant.

A lot of things didn't pan out last summer. Some of it was bad fortune, some was poor management decisions under time pressure. In the end, they appointed what was basically a caretaker and then pounced at the right moment, when their original choice re-emerged.

I doubt very much that securing Conte mid-season was a plan, but I also doubt very much that anyone in the hierarchy, especially Levy and Paratici, deluded themselves into expecting Nuno to work out as a long-term appointment. They had their eyes open and, when results and morale deteriorated past a tolerable point, they re-contacted Conte and jumped.

It's much more useful (and realistic) to look at these things across a 21-year perspective. People tend to focus on Lasagnegate, or Autumn 2008, or the January 2012 transfer window, or the financial crash and the desperate diversion toward Stratford, or the AVB bore-fest, or the Champions League final, or last summer's manager-go-round as if they were strategically important.

They weren't. They were mainly hiccups, in some cases more like spasms or seizures - obstacles that needed to be overcome in the context of a consistent plan to turn a neglected former giant back into a football power and vastly increase its asset value, while winning more football matches and eventually trophies.

I work in housing development, so the need to weather unexpected disasters and overcome obstacles, while keeping your eye constantly on the end objective, is something I'm unusually familiar with. You can't do development if you have a short attention span. You need to treat every diversion or obstruction as something susceptible to a solution. Sometimes it takes 6-7 years to get your project completed. You just keep figuring out ways to go over, around or straight through the obstacles.

After taking over, it took Levy and Lewis less than 3 years, I think, to realise that nothing momentous was going to change at Tottenham unless they could build a new stadium. From that point, it was always a long-term plan - 20 years. Several times, we were ahead of the plan (Redknapp and then Pochettino qualifying for the Champions League before anyone expected) and sometimes (not often) we were behind it (the financial crash and the Stratford/West Ham rip-off/set-up).

Then the stadium was finally finished and we had a pandemic and closed the doors. What do you do? You keep your eyes on the prize, figure out how to weather yet another unexpected storm and keep solvent. Then you go back to the plan.

Now that we have the stadium churning out a different order of magnitude of revenue, the whole club has changed, just as some of us said it would. People have kept using the simplistic cliché "backing the manager" for years, as if we could compete with Chelsea, Man City and the Spanish clubs if only Levy wasn't such a tightwad. This summer, we still keep hearing that at last we are "backing the manager", as if it is the combined influence of Conte and Levy's change of heart that has transformed our strategy.

It's bollocks. "It's the stadium, stupid". We weren't "backing the manager" because we couldn't compete with the other big clubs' wages. Now we can, so we are.

Fans look at this season's results. You can't run a football club that way, unless you have Abramovich or Mansour or the Saudis behind you. You need a twenty-year plan.

 

[Japhet]

A lot of things didn't pan out last summer. Some of it was bad fortune, some was poor management decisions under time pressure. In the end, they appointed what was basically a caretaker and then pounced at the right moment, when their original choice re-emerged.

I doubt very much that securing Conte mid-season was a plan, but I also doubt very much that anyone in the hierarchy, especially Levy and Paratici, deluded themselves into expecting Nuno to work out as a long-term appointment. They had their eyes open and, when results and morale deteriorated past a tolerable point, they re-contacted Conte and jumped.

It's much more useful (and realistic) to look at these things across a 21-year perspective. People tend to focus on Lasagnegate, or Autumn 2008, or the January 2012 transfer window, or the financial crash and the desperate diversion toward Stratford, or the AVB bore-fest, or the Champions League final, or last summer's manager-go-round as if they were strategically important.

They weren't. They were mainly hiccups, in some cases more like spasms or seizures - obstacles that needed to be overcome in the context of a consistent plan to turn a neglected former giant back into a football power and vastly increase its asset value, while winning more football matches and eventually trophies.

I work in housing development, so the need to weather unexpected disasters and overcome obstacles, while keeping your eye constantly on the end objective, is something I'm unusually familiar with. You can't do development if you have a short attention span. You need to treat every diversion or obstruction as something susceptible to a solution. Sometimes it takes 6-7 years to get your project completed. You just keep figuring out ways to go over, around or straight through the obstacles.

After taking over, it took Levy and Lewis less than 3 years, I think, to realise that nothing momentous was going to change at Tottenham unless they could build a new stadium. From that point, it was always a long-term plan - 20 years. Several times, we were ahead of the plan (Redknapp and then Pochettino qualifying for the Champions League before anyone expected) and sometimes (not often) we were behind it (the financial crash and the Stratford/West Ham rip-off/set-up).

Then the stadium was finally finished and we had a pandemic and closed the doors. What do you do? You keep your eyes on the prize, figure out how to weather yet another unexpected storm and keep solvent. Then you go back to the plan.

Now that we have the stadium churning out a different order of magnitude of revenue, the whole club has changed, just as some of us said it would. People have kept using the simplistic cliché "backing the manager" for years, as if we could compete with Chelsea, Man City and the Spanish clubs if only Levy wasn't such a tightwad. This summer, we still keep hearing that at last we are "backing the manager", as if it is the combined influence of Conte and Levy's change of heart that has transformed our strategy.

It's bollocks. "It's the stadium, stupid". We weren't "backing the manager" because we couldn't compete with the other big clubs' wages. Now we can, so we are.

Fans look at this season's results. You can't run a football club that way, unless you have Abramovich or Mansour or the Saudis behind you. You need a twenty-year plan.

I'd also add that Poch over-achieved year on year which put Levy in an awkward situation because we didn't have the infrastructure to back him heavily. If Levy had diverted major funds to that, we probably would be behind the curve even now.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Be interesting to see the financial results for the first full season at the stadium , reckon they must be pretty outstanding for ENIC to have taken a larger share of the club with the £150 mil cash injection.

They have certainly made more money from me from staying behind after the match , having a drink & listening to a bit of music to let the crowds disperse a bit.