ENIC...

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Can't wait to see the Arsenal banter with your mates: "Yeah, but our owner made more money than yours! SO there!!!"

 

[rajmak2000]

Debt is fine though as long as it's serviceable and evidently that is the case.I

Debt is fine though as long as it's serviceable and evidently that is the case.

I agree but my understanding is currently we are paying the interest on the debt at around £20m a season but not sure if the actual repayment of the debt is happening?

 

[HodisGawd]

Can't wait to see the Arsenal banter with your mates: "Yeah, but our owner made more money than yours! SO there!!!"

I couldn't care less about banter with Arsenal mates mocking Spurs for financial gains. Or Spurs "fans" who take the piss out of their own club.

What I do care about is the club becoming a financial success off the pitch so we can be a sustainable success on it for years to come.

If there's one thing years of being overshadowed by Arsenal and other teams in the Premier League has shown us, it's that financial clout is everything. We're not going to magic success - we need money.

Levy is doing what's needed. Arsenal fans will be crying inside reading that. The writing is on the wall now unless something changes. They have a couple more years before it really starts to tell.

So let those mates enjoy themselves for the moment. We'll have the last laugh.

 

[BPR_U16]

I couldn't care less about banter with Arsenal mates mocking Spurs for financial gains. Or Spurs "fans" who take the piss out of their own club.

What I do care about is the club becoming a financial success off the pitch so we can be a sustainable success on it for years to come.

If there's one thing years of being overshadowed by Arsenal and other teams in the Premier League has shown us, it's that financial clout is everything. We're not going to magic success - we need money.

Levy is doing what's needed. Arsenal fans will be crying inside reading that. The writing is on the wall now unless something changes. They have a couple more years before it really starts to tell.

So let those mates enjoy themselves for the moment. We'll have the last laugh.

Have always held the belief that we were doing things correctly - building a sustainable club with no reliance on a benefactor and that we would ultimately benefit as the cash generation grew and those individuals would get fed up with their toys and wall away.
Problem is that the whole concept of financial fair play was never followed through and more benefactors backed by oil money keep entering the frame and those that put money in initially see large gain on their investment, like the Glasers or Fenway Group.
ENIC will be similarly rewarded if and when they sell but currently it will be purely on the increased interest in the Premier League not by any investment themselves.
As a club we have been bereft of investment on the pitch for too long and with the income generated on match days and with commercial deals there is no reason why ENIC should not support Conte. Levy brought him in as he knew he was a winner, he knew what he was getting into now he has to follow through.
If he does not then he needs to go, for he will be showing serious mismanagement - either by backing the wrong horse again or by failing to back his horse. The only way he can keep his position is to back Conte and then hopefully we supporters will be rewarded for our loyalty.

 

[BPR_U16]

I couldn't care less about banter with Arsenal mates mocking Spurs for financial gains. Or Spurs "fans" who take the piss out of their own club.

What I do care about is the club becoming a financial success off the pitch so we can be a sustainable success on it for years to come.

If there's one thing years of being overshadowed by Arsenal and other teams in the Premier League has shown us, it's that financial clout is everything. We're not going to magic success - we need money.

Levy is doing what's needed. Arsenal fans will be crying inside reading that. The writing is on the wall now unless something changes. They have a couple more years before it really starts to tell.

So let those mates enjoy themselves for the moment. We'll have the last laugh.

Have always held the belief that we were doing things correctly - building a sustainable club with no reliance on a benefactor and that we would ultimately benefit as the cash generation grew and those individuals would get fed up with their toys and wall away.
Problem is that the whole concept of financial fair play was never followed through and more benefactors backed by oil money keep entering the frame and those that put money in initially see large gain on their investment, like the Glasers or Fenway Group.
ENIC will be similarly rewarded if and when they sell but currently it will be purely on the increased interest in the Premier League not by any investment themselves.
As a club we have been bereft of investment on the pitch for too long and with the income generated on match days and with commercial deals there is no reason why ENIC should not support Conte. Levy brought him in as he knew he was a winner, he knew what he was getting into now he has to follow through.
If he does not then he needs to go, for he will be showing serious mismanagement - either by backing the wrong horse again or by failing to back his horse. The only way he can keep his position is to back Conte and then hopefully we supporters will be rewarded for our loyalty.

 

[spids]

The main reason we won nothing from the conception of the PL until 2105 was we were competing with teams who were generating 3x-4x as much revenue as us, and subsequently paying a lot more, attracting the best players, as well as poaching our best players (Carrick, Berbatov, Keane, Campbell, Bale, Modric). I think we all have different opinions on the investment in the first team for Poch whilst building costs of the new stadium nearly doubled. Finally, we have guaranteed income streams that allow us to really compete with our rivals (exc. financially doped Man C and Newcastle). I am not saying Levy is the man to take advantage of this new found wealth (I have actually gone on record to say I think he needs to be replaced), but I am happy to acknowledge he has got us into the position of financial competitiveness. And it really is an amazing achievement. The stadium is his legacy and I remain convinced it will be seen retrospectively as very significant.

p.s. re: record debt comments. Levy has secured very low interest rates until the early 2050’s. Interest is something like £20M a year, whilst moving our matchday revenue from £20m per year to £120m. Fantastic business.

 

[Trent Crimm]

The main reason we won nothing from the conception of the PL until 2105 was we were competing with teams who were generating 3x-4x as much revenue as us, and subsequently paying a lot more, attracting the best players, as well as poaching our best players (Carrick, Berbatov, Keane, Campbell, Bale, Modric). I think we all have different opinions on the investment in the first team for Poch whilst building costs of the new stadium nearly doubled. Finally, we have guaranteed income streams that allow us to really compete with our rivals (exc. financially doped Man C and Newcastle). I am not saying Levy is the man to take advantage of this new found wealth (I have actually gone on record to say I think he needs to be replaced), but I am happy to acknowledge he has got us into the position of financial competitiveness. And it really is an amazing achievement. The stadium is his legacy and I remain convinced it will be seen retrospectively as very significant.

p.s. re: record debt comments. Levy has secured very low interest rates until the early 2050’s. Interest is something like £20M a year, whilst moving our matchday revenue from £20m per year to £120m. Fantastic business.

Do you also see dead people as well as into the future ?

 

[Metalhead]

I couldn't care less about banter with Arsenal mates mocking Spurs for financial gains. Or Spurs "fans" who take the piss out of their own club.

What I do care about is the club becoming a financial success off the pitch so we can be a sustainable success on it for years to come.

If there's one thing years of being overshadowed by Arsenal and other teams in the Premier League has shown us, it's that financial clout is everything. We're not going to magic success - we need money.

Levy is doing what's needed. Arsenal fans will be crying inside reading that. The writing is on the wall now unless something changes. They have a couple more years before it really starts to tell.

So let those mates enjoy themselves for the moment. We'll have the last laugh.

the important thing as much as how much money is available, is now it's spent. We know that we have spent decent money in the past but not always wisely.

 

[mattdefoe]

ENIC have sucked the life out of this club.

A traditional cup team with one cup in their ownership, even Alan Sugar had more !

We have no playing style, no idea on the pitch, players that do not fit. It’s an utter shambles right now

Arteta and Arsenal are where we were at a point in time with Poch, Eddie Howe is playing the football we want to see at Spurs with Sean Longstaff in Midfield

It’s taken me 21 years but ENIC need to go.

 

[Yiddo1982]

I fear we will be a top 8 club within the next three or four years, if ENIC stay in charge.

 

[septicsac]

Like others I have also held the notion that we are doing things the right way and when the stadium revenue increases we will be competitive with the top clubs. However, I now believe this will never happen for two reasons:
1. Enic & DL, who I believe will be just as tight with more money and will not be able to stop interfering with the managers at the club. They have also been extremely wasteful in the money they have spent on the team, see Ndombele, for example, all the N players in fact.
2. FFP looks like it is becoming a thing of the past, clubs like Chelsea, City and Newcastle will continue to throw money at every little problem, hoover up all the young talent and while we might spend a little more than we are now, but will be as far or further from the top clubs.

I hate myself for considering it, but the only way to compete nowadays is with a very rich sugar daddy who is willing to throw as much money at the team as possible. Arsenal are the perfect example, 3 yrs ago they were miles off the pace, but they have spent millions over the past two/three seasons and the money is starting to show on the pitch. City spend big and spend well and Newcastle are only getting started. On top of that some day UTD will get their act together as well, so unless we are willing to do similar it is impossible to see how we compete, can anyone see ENIC doing it. I certainly cannot.

 

[rossdapep]

I couldn't care less about banter with Arsenal mates mocking Spurs for financial gains. Or Spurs "fans" who take the piss out of their own club.

What I do care about is the club becoming a financial success off the pitch so we can be a sustainable success on it for years to come.

If there's one thing years of being overshadowed by Arsenal and other teams in the Premier League has shown us, it's that financial clout is everything. We're not going to magic success - we need money.

Levy is doing what's needed. Arsenal fans will be crying inside reading that. The writing is on the wall now unless something changes. They have a couple more years before it really starts to tell.

So let those mates enjoy themselves for the moment. We'll have the last laugh.

Yeah I'm really not convinced about this.

The same prediction was made about Chelsea and spending, yet these clubs don't go anywhere and get themselves out of the mess. Whilst we continue to not win anything.

 

[rossdapep]

Like others I have also held the notion that we are doing things the right way and when the stadium revenue increases we will be competitive with the top clubs. However, I now believe this will never happen for two reasons:
1. Enic & DL, who I believe will be just as tight with more money and will not be able to stop interfering with the managers at the club. They have also been extremely wasteful in the money they have spent on the team, see Ndombele, for example, all the N players in fact.
2. FFP looks like it is becoming a thing of the past, clubs like Chelsea, City and Newcastle will continue to throw money at every little problem, hoover up all the young talent and while we might spend a little more than we are now, but will be as far or further from the top clubs.

I hate myself for considering it, but the only way to compete nowadays is with a very rich sugar daddy who is willing to throw as much money at the team as possible. Arsenal are the perfect example, 3 yrs ago they were miles off the pace, but they have spent millions over the past two/three seasons and the money is starting to show on the pitch. City spend big and spend well and Newcastle are only getting started. On top of that some day UTD will get their act together as well, so unless we are willing to do similar it is impossible to see how we compete, can anyone see ENIC doing it. I certainly cannot.

Exactly.

3 years ago Spurs had a monumental revenue.

Arsenal have had no CL money and were supposedly close to serious issues.

Yet since then, and there's been a pandemic too, they've outspent us and don't look like slowing down.

I feel like we are being led on.

 

[rossdapep]

I'm gonna see how January goes. If it doesn't go in a way that shows serious backing then I'm not wasting as much time on the club until ENIC are gone.

Its not that we play poorly or are not winning anything. I'm not a glory fan. However, what I don't accept is having no ambition and going from one strategy to another.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

I couldn't care less about banter with Arsenal mates mocking Spurs for financial gains. Or Spurs "fans" who take the piss out of their own club.

What I do care about is the club becoming a financial success off the pitch so we can be a sustainable success on it for years to come.

If there's one thing years of being overshadowed by Arsenal and other teams in the Premier League has shown us, it's that financial clout is everything. We're not going to magic success - we need money.

Levy is doing what's needed. Arsenal fans will be crying inside reading that. The writing is on the wall now unless something changes. They have a couple more years before it really starts to tell.

So let those mates enjoy themselves for the moment. We'll have the last laugh.

Arsenal are going to win the league. I wouldn't mind having a little cry inside if I was going to win the league.
The club has spent money in recent windows, but has sometimes spent very, very badly. Apart from the obvious examples of NDombele, Lo Celso and Rodon, we also spent a fair chunk on a player ths manager refuses to play, and Bissouma and Richarlson are also looking like poor fits. Club needs a proper recruitment strategy, although I understand the reluctance to chuck money at Conte when it's pretty obvious he won't be around beyond the summer.

 

[Anselmix]

Right now Enic has a chance to show their ambition and continue the strategy they started when AC was hired.
We still want to believe but we all know how it will end up.

There is too much uncertainty at the club as long as AC contract extension is not done. How can you get new top players if you have no clue who will be the coach.

Even stadium naming rights is still open.

 

[ginola99]

Great infrastructure, shame about the trophy cabinet.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Like others I have also held the notion that we are doing things the right way and when the stadium revenue increases we will be competitive with the top clubs. However, I now believe this will never happen for two reasons:
1. Enic & DL, who I believe will be just as tight with more money and will not be able to stop interfering with the managers at the club. They have also been extremely wasteful in the money they have spent on the team, see Ndombele, for example, all the N players in fact.
2. FFP looks like it is becoming a thing of the past, clubs like Chelsea, City and Newcastle will continue to throw money at every little problem, hoover up all the young talent and while we might spend a little more than we are now, but will be as far or further from the top clubs.

I hate myself for considering it, but the only way to compete nowadays is with a very rich sugar daddy who is willing to throw as much money at the team as possible. Arsenal are the perfect example, 3 yrs ago they were miles off the pace, but they have spent millions over the past two/three seasons and the money is starting to show on the pitch. City spend big and spend well and Newcastle are only getting started. On top of that some day UTD will get their act together as well, so unless we are willing to do similar it is impossible to see how we compete, can anyone see ENIC doing it. I certainly cannot.

Honestly even if ENIC got anywhere close to our FFP limit we could compete, but they can’t even do that while other clubs we are competing with are looking at ways around it to spend more. The best we can hope for is treading water with these lot. It might take Conte and Kane leaving to wake some of us up

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Like others I have also held the notion that we are doing things the right way and when the stadium revenue increases we will be competitive with the top clubs. However, I now believe this will never happen for two reasons:
1. Enic & DL, who I believe will be just as tight with more money and will not be able to stop interfering with the managers at the club. They have also been extremely wasteful in the money they have spent on the team, see Ndombele, for example, all the N players in fact.
2. FFP looks like it is becoming a thing of the past, clubs like Chelsea, City and Newcastle will continue to throw money at every little problem, hoover up all the young talent and while we might spend a little more than we are now, but will be as far or further from the top clubs.

I hate myself for considering it, but the only way to compete nowadays is with a very rich sugar daddy who is willing to throw as much money at the team as possible. Arsenal are the perfect example, 3 yrs ago they were miles off the pace, but they have spent millions over the past two/three seasons and the money is starting to show on the pitch. City spend big and spend well and Newcastle are only getting started. On top of that some day UTD will get their act together as well, so unless we are willing to do similar it is impossible to see how we compete, can anyone see ENIC doing it. I certainly cannot.

‘’doing things the right way’’ if we don’t seriously back Conte this Window with players, top players it will feel like we have been strung along for many years. The stadium is built, Covid is over, we have been incredibly patient but there comes a point where you just feel like a mug. There is nothing to hide behind anymore, either get Conte the CB’s, Wing backs he needs or sell the club to someone who does want to achieve something.

 

[chas vs dave]

Levy has done a good job, however if he wants the club to kick on, then he needs to invest. I don't think he has the cojones to do so.

He nearly doubled my season ticket price. If he thinks it's acceptable to tread water, and expect me to continue forking out north of a grand, then he's deluded.

I've been going for 23 years. I'm not sure I want to pay premium prices for a team that won't compete at the highest level. At a transactional level, it doesn't feel like a fair transaction.