Eric Dier opens talks over three-year deal

[mawspurs]

Tottenham have opened talks with defender Eric Dier over a new contract extension. The 29-year-old’s current deal runs until 2024 and Spurs are working on a two-year extension following Dier’s impressive performances this season.

The England international is believed to be very happy at Tottenham and the early stages of negotiations have been positive between all parties.

Source: Football Insider

 

[TPdYID]

Tottenham have opened talks with defender Eric Dier over a new contract extension. The 29-year-old’s current deal runs until 2024 and Spurs are working on a two-year extension following Dier’s impressive performances this season.

The England international is believed to be very happy at Tottenham and the early stages of negotiations have been positive between all parties.

Source: Football Insider

I like Eric and feel he can often get a rough-ride from certain quarters. But not sure I can recall too many 'impressive performances' this season, or at least not consistently.

I'm not entirely sure i'd be rushing to offer him a 2 yr extension. I think a fresh start for both would be beneficial. He just seems to lack the consistency of a 'top' player.

 

[rabbikeane]

I'm fine with it, we'll need a squad.
Just as long as we also buy someone to improve on him.

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm fine with it, we'll need a squad.
Just as long as we also buy someone to improve on him.

Yeah, we're going to need players like Dier around the place, especially if we sell the likes of Sanchez, Rodon and/or Tanganga who definitely aren't good enough.

I think it's fine to extend the deals on reliable squad players like Dier and Davies as long as we don't intend them to be regular starters and are also planning to buy upgrades. Especially if Conte stays or we bring in another back 3 manager where lots of CB cover is required.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

If we were to sign a top quality CCB, Dier would be a more than adequate back-up for CCB + RCB. He's far better than Sanchez and Tanganga, so should be the last that we move on. Letting him enter the final year of his contract would therefore be pretty foolish.

I don't think it's realistic for us to simultaneously have three CBs all at the level of Romero / Alderweireld / Vertonghen / King within the next 1-2 years. I'd rather have Romero + Dier + 'top quality LCB' or Romero + 'top quality CCB' + Davies (with Dier or Davies retained as experienced back-up), than Romero + two new CBs who are only very slightly better than Dier and Davies. If we managed to get the "top quality CB" this summer, we could then look to sign a high-potential understudy for Dier / Davies, without the pressure and risk of having to get that signing right first time around (as we would need to if it was the only CB we sign).

 

[TPdYID]

If we were to sign a top quality CCB, Dier would be a more than adequate back-up for CCB + RCB. He's far better than Sanchez and Tanganga, so should be the last that we move on. Letting him enter the final year of his contract would therefore be pretty foolish.

I don't think it's realistic for us to simultaneously have three CBs all at the level of Romero / Alderweireld / Vertonghen / King within the next 1-2 years. I'd rather have Romero + Dier + 'top quality LCB' or Romero + 'top quality CCB' + Davies (with Dier or Davies retained as experienced back-up), than Romero + two new CBs who are only very slightly better than Dier and Davies. If we managed to get the "top quality CB" this summer, we could then look to sign a high-potential understudy for Dier / Davies, without the pressure and risk of having to get that signing right first time around (as we would need to if it was the only CB we sign).

Agree with the majority of the post.

Just wanted to talk about the bold. How many times in the past have we signed a 'high-potential understudy' but failed to manage the signing correctly?

Foyth was signed with a huge reputation, a young, ball-playing, South American CB, who was no doubt going to make mistakes in the beginning. We lost patience with our 'plan', rushed him into high profile games, lambasted him for making mistakes (remember those pens he gave away) and then gave up on him.

Rodon not too dissimilar in the way we've managed the signing. No doubt another one for the scrap-heap with questions asked around his full-potential.

I'm not arguing that these players 'deserve' more of a chance, it's very rare for signings to prove a success. My concern is our lack of a 'plan'. We see potential...sign the player and then have no idea how to embed them firstly in the squad, and then the team.

 

[GutBucket]

Sanchez is leaving so it makes sense to extend his contract but we need to sign a first choice CCB.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Agree with the majority of the post.

Just wanted to talk about the bold. How many times in the past have we signed a 'high-potential understudy' but failed to manage the signing correctly?

Foyth was signed with a huge reputation, a young, ball-playing, South American CB, who was no doubt going to make mistakes in the beginning. We lost patience with our 'plan', rushed him into high profile games, lambasted him for making mistakes (remember those pens he gave away) and then gave up on him.

Rodon not too dissimilar in the way we've managed the signing. No doubt another one for the scrap-heap with questions asked around his full-potential.

I'm not arguing that these players 'deserve' more of a chance, it's very rare for signings to prove a success. My concern is our lack of a 'plan'. We see potential...sign the player and then have no idea how to embed them firstly in the squad, and then the team.

My lack of optimism for us signing a player who is good enough and then also managing their development well is why I followed that with "without the pressure and risk of having to get that signing right first time around (as we would need to if it was the only CB we sign)." It's also why I think we need to prioritise signing a CB who can come straight in and improve our starting XI (like Romero, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Gallas, Naybet etc.), even if they are only a medium-term solution. By bringing in an understudy to whichever of Dier or Davies is in Conte's first XI, it would be safer to rotate them in than if they were an understudy to Romero (who's presence is integral to our team's defensive performances).

I think a lot of fans on SC overlook how many unsuccessful signings

I think Rodon's demise has been the result of him being the wrong signing, coupled with two managers being sacked within a year of him joining. I wouldn't say his development has been mismanaged so much as our transfer strategy was at fault. Since then, we have a new manager and a new DoF, who so far seem to be pretty aligned on signings.

Tanganga was given chances, but he has put in his best performances as a RB in a back four, rather than RCB or CB in a back three. Even then, I believe Sissoko hid some of his mistakes, by covering for him when he was caught out of position. At RB, he wasn't the offensive option that our manager wanted. At CB, he simply wasn't up to challenge yet.
He would almost certainly be a better player right now if he had played more, but he simply hasn't looked good enough to justify more playing time in our first team, so would have needed to go out on loan. The "understudy" that I think we should be signing would be someone who's already a clear upgrade on Tanganga, not someone who needs a loan to gain experience. Someone who's defensively at least comparable to Sanchez (Tanganga is not), but better on the ball.

I get why people would consider Foyth to have been mismanaged. However, I would disagree. We identified that he was more suited to being a defensive RB, which wasn't a role that existed in our system, so sold him on for a 50% profit - to a team that wanted him as a RB and that he wanted to join. I liked him as a player, but think we made the right call at the time. If we'd kept him around, it doesn't really matter how we managed his development, he would still be a defensive RB at a club that doesn't play with a defensive RB. At RCB, he'd get constant grief from fans for mistakes. At RWB he probably would have been enduring worse criticism than Emerson has from a large contingent of fans. Therefore, selling him on to a team that wanted to utilise him in his best position was the best thing for his development and his career.

We had a plan with Dier, when he signed at 20 years old. Played at RB to start with, where there is slightly less pressure to be error free than CB, to ease him in. 36 appearances in his first season, then 51 appearances in his second season. He's had ups and downs, but he's still a key player 8.5 years later. Whatever anyone thinks of him, his integration into the team was managed fairly well and he was a successful signing.

We also had a plan with Sanchez, when he signed at 21 years old. He was given plenty of opportunities (41 appearances in his first season), but was less solid than Dier was at the same age (more errors + less comfortable on possession). Ultimately, it seems he wasn't as good as we'd thought at the point we signed him, so his playing time was reduced in subsequent seasons. Had he performed slightly better, Alderweireld may have been sold a year earlier and Vertonghen almost certainly wouldn't have played so much during his last season with us (while he was struggling with the after effects of a bad concussion).
I think he's good enough as a back-up for us, and good enough to start for 50% of PL teams, but not good enough to ever develop into a regular starter for us. Even with improvement defensively, I can't see him ever being as good on the ball as any of Romero, Dier, Davies or Lenglet (or Toby & Jan, who he was brought in to replace long-term).
Replacing the manager he was signed for with a manager who didn't rate him (Mourinho singled him out as Ajax's weak link ahead of Man Utd's Europa League final triumph), was never going to work out well for him.

 

[Trix]

I like Eric and feel he can often get a rough-ride from certain quarters. But not sure I can recall too many 'impressive performances' this season, or at least not consistently.

I'm not entirely sure i'd be rushing to offer him a 2 yr extension. I think a fresh start for both would be beneficial. He just seems to lack the consistency of a 'top' player.

I've been very critical of him this season, but I don't have an issue with him being a squad player and playing in certain games against teams where we will sit deep. If he's signing to be the CCB for the next 3 years then I have a problem with it.

 

[newbie]

Sensible keep Dier We need to clear out the players who don’t play not the ones who do!

Then buy better players to improve the squad.

Our squad is huge it needs less players more quality.

Maddison and 2 top cBs we would look tasty!

 

[danny32]

The only reason I hope we are looking to extend his contract is that he has only got 1 year to run and we are trying to preserve some transfer value. Dier and Sanchez should have been binned 2/3 years ago absolutely appalling defenders. We need 2 new CB's. Would keep Davies over Dier.

 

[alfie103]

Worrying news for me, he is an average player and I think we need to let him go as the squad needs a refresh.

 

[cider spurs]

Squad role only please, and not instead of the quality CB we so badly need.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Not for me. Needs to go. Part of the gossip clan we have at spurs.

 

[theShiznit]

Should have been long gone as part of the painful rebuild that never happened.

 

[TPdYID]

A new deal with the view of maintaining ED transfer value is lunacy.

Utd have tried the same thing with Phil Jones over the years.

 

[spursville]

Wouldn't get into the squad of any of the so called top six (City, Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle?) so what's he doing in ours?

 

[newbie]

Yeah, we're going to need players like Dier around the place, especially if we sell the likes of Sanchez, Rodon and/or Tanganga who definitely aren't good enough.

I think it's fine to extend the deals on reliable squad players like Dier and Davies as long as we don't intend them to be regular starters and are also planning to buy upgrades. Especially if Conte stays or we bring in another back 3 manager where lots of CB cover is required.

you think we will sell them?

I bet most are still here next season

 

[olliec]

Davies and Dier are not good enough if we are to reach higher than 4th!

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I'm fine with it, we'll need a squad.
Just as long as we also buy someone to improve on him.

What's the point of a new deal before the new Manager arrives who may or may not want him though?

This is yet another example of how poorly we are run.