Everton v Spurs ratings

[Bulletspur]

Despite the post being a bit extreme and loopy, the point he's making has a grounding in truth.

I counted at least 4/5 oportunities where Defoe just hammered the ball towards goal rather than do something a bit more clever with it.

Defoe was so good early in the season because he was using his brain more. He was more of a team player and giving more in general. The past few games he's looked more like the Defoe of old to me (i.e. a bit of a 1 trick pony).

I know Defoe is the golden boy and no one is allowed to criticise him but if the point is valid then it is worth posting.

It is all down to perceptions and opinions as I thought penalty aside, Defoe had an excellent game for us playing away from home.

 

[mattstev2000]

It is all down to perceptions and opinions as I thought penalty aside, Defoe had an excellent game for us playing away from home.

As you say, different strokes for different folks and all that...

 

[Bulletspur]

You don't think that's anything to do with the balance? You know, playing a left winger on the left and a right winger on the right? Also, if we are a top class side why have we had one good result against very poor opposition and 2 draws against teams we should have beaten? We have looked the best this season early on when Defoe and Keane were together and Defoe seemed to have matured past the player he was when he was with us last time.

Also for the record, I wouldn't drop Defoe. Yet. But if he continues to just grab the ball, make a beeline for goal and then hit it with little thought or insight into better options then I would like the option of him being dropped.

Finaly, you're right, generally there is a massive gulf in quality between Keane and Defoe but not in the way you think. At the moment all you're seeing is a small gap in their relative form.

Instead of nit picking on our only on form striker at the moment, why dont you start a Defoe bashing thread somewhere else on the forum? :shrug: It is a serious suggestion as I would be interested to see how many people share your sentiments.

 

[mattstev2000]

Instead of nit picking on our only on form striker at the moment, why dont you start a Defoe bashing thread somewhere else? :shrug:

That's a bit unfair. This is a ratings thread to discuss player performances - I gave my ratings and then had a discussion with Legend10 about why I thought Defoe wasn't that great.

This is the problem around here at the moment, you say one word against Defoe and everyone gets touchy. I bet I wouldn't have got the attitude and the stupid smilie if my comment had been about Keane...

 

[mattstev2000]

Instead of nit picking on our only on form striker at the moment, why dont you start a Defoe bashing thread somewhere else on the forum? :shrug: It is a serious suggestion as I would be interested to see how many people share your sentiments.

I don't think 'bashing threads' that single out a player for criticism help anyone. That's why it's always so disappointing to see about 10 of them about Keano after every game he plays.

 

[Bulletspur]

That's a bit unfair. This is a ratings thread to discuss player performances - I gave my ratings and then had a discussion with Legend10 about why I thought Defoe wasn't that great.

This is the problem around here at the moment, you say one word against Defoe and everyone gets touchy. I bet I wouldn't have got the attitude and the stupid smilie if my comment had been about Keane...

Didnt mean to sound unfair, actually the opposite. As you said this is a rating thread but not one dedicated solely for Defoe so I was thinking why not have one so that we could all have a pro & cons debate. As I said it was a serious suggestion and I am honestly intrigued to read what others had to say about Defoe.

 

[Legend10]

I would say that this season Defoe has proved himself as a player that we simply can't do without.

We have proved that we can cope without Modric (even though he's our best player), Kranjcar, Leds, Woody, Keane, Crouch etc.

But when we were without Defoe quite frankly we were hopeless up front. When we don't have Modders we still have very good players that can operate there and the same for most of our positions, we have good depth. But when we come to the front players we need Defoe, for me it's as simple as that.

 

[mattstev2000]

Didnt mean to sound unfair, actually the opposite. As you said this is a rating thread but not one dedicated solely for Defoe so I was thinking why not have one so that we could all have a pro & cons debate. As I said it was a serious suggestion and I am honestly intrigued to read what others had to say about Defoe.

Apologies from me then - I obviously didn't read the tone of your post correctly - sorry!

 

[mattstev2000]

I would say that this season Defoe has proved himself as a player that we simply can't do without.

We have proved that we can cope without Modric (even though he's our best player), Kranjcar, Leds, Woody, Keane, Crouch etc.

But when we were without Defoe quite frankly we were hopeless up front. When we don't have Modders we still have very good players that can operate there and the same for most of our positions, we have good depth. But when we come to the front players we need Defoe, for me it's as simple as that.

Personally I would say that Keane and Crouch looked pretty good together outside of the most recent run when Defoe wasn't available and as mentioned I think that was more to do with a lack of balance in midfield than it was to do with the strikers not performing.

Don't get me wrong, Defoe would still be on my teamsheet (with Keane) but I want to see more of what we were seeing early in the season and I just don't think Harry will ever push him to do that.

 

[Bulletspur]

I don't think 'bashing threads' that single out a player for criticism help anyone. That's why it's always so disappointing to see about 10 of them about Keano after every game he plays.

10, I thought it was more!! Just kidding, but you have a point.
Every player is going to have someone who rates them or not. Some more than others, but thats just part and parcel of what being a supporter of your team is about.

 

[saintlyspur]

waited till now to post because i have calmed down. lets face it if the penalty would have gone in we would not be talking about who made mistakes.but for the record i thought wilson niko lennon defoe played well bale and ekkoto were below par everyone else done alright

 

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Gomes 6 - OK - nothing much to do.

Corluka 6 - Better than in recent weeks, still too sluggish.

Dawson 7 - Goal, and was the best of the two CBs

Bassong 5 - Not good. Off the pace (not as bad as the Man U game) and his marking was ordinary. Needs a boot up the arse.

BAE 5 - Benny was due a bad game and here it was. You do have to wonder if he would have let a young kid by him like Bale did.

Bale 6 - Good in attack, beaten far too easily for their first goal.

Lennon 7.5 - Looked dangerous running to the byline or whipping in crosses. Getting better every week.

Huddlestone 5 - Shouldn't have played against a CM trio. Period.

Palacios 8 - Excellent

Kranjcar 7 - Good game. Looked dangerous. Complements Lennon's wing play with his creativity.

Crouch 7 - Worked hard but missed a couple of chances.

Defoe 7 - Also had his chances. Scored a goal from a great Lennon cross. Looked dganerous, but offside too often and one of the worst pens I've even seen taken.

Harry should have taken one of the strikers off and brought on Jenas... Really bad call from Harry.

 

[SoulDog]

Just got around to watching the game and how the hell did we draw that? We played all the nice football and should of scored more goals. Thought he should of put Pav on though as Crouch was not putting away his chancs. Played nice stuff but did not get the result to put us ABOVE Arsenal:bang:

Gomes-7 done every thing well.

Corluka-7 done well.

dawson-6.5 gave him 6.5 for the goal but was lucky to be on the pitch tbh. Two stupid typical Dawson fouls in the first half, came diving in, and what he hell was he doing pushing fellani? Agree with BC, worry so much when he is on.

bassong-7 done well

ekotto-4 poor, lucky to be on the pitch too. Kept hoofing it every time he got the ball, terrible defeding kept diving in tackles and getting done.

Lennon-7 done well, must of been working on his crosing lately, three amazing balls. looked lively

Bale-6.was glad to see Redknapp react and take Ekotto of for Bale but again defenceivly Bales not the best, but done ok, maybe could of done better for there first goal??

Hudd-5 did not do much and like BC says should of been took off.

Palacois-8 great game, worked hard, great tackles, won the pen (which defoe should of scored) hope hes ok..

Kranjscar-7 very good game.

Crouch-6.5 worked hard but should of scored his chances, thought Harry should of took him off for pav

defoe-7, looked lively, done some good things, good goal, but shit pen. I know defoe will score if you give him the chance and has a great great shot but i even knew he was going to miss should of brought Keane on to take it or somthing but I just knew he would miss it.

 

[Damian99]

Those of you worry when Dawson is on the pitch, when did he last cost us a goal through poor defending. The great Ledley King has probably been at fault for more goals than Dawson this season. It was a daft thing to do(foul fellani on the edge of the box almost) But he got his head to the ball from a free kick BAE gave away in a very dangerous position.

And he also got his head to many more headers.

Anyone who gave him a lesser mark than bassong(even though Dawson scored) has to have their judgement clouded by their slight dislike of Dawson.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Your ratings of Dawson are as always laughable, he scored(AGAIN) and everything Everton pumped forward, he(Dawson) won almost(if not every) Header. And 8 for a guy? who courageously won us a penalty, after gifting them a second goal. Unbelievable, but there ya go.

Oh and crouch an 8? is that for his 20 odd passes? I usually like to count a strikers goals at the end of a game.

It is funny, althogh this is all true, I still worry when he is on the pitch, and I am sorry to say I feel the same way when Bassong........and now Bale play!

That basically leaves me with no confidence with our defense........unless personnel change, expect this to happen a lot this season - we score a few, but get let down at the back.........I know our MF could have done better, but defence always worry me.

And sorry to harp back to it, but this situation was created because we have not been decisive enough about the long term futures of Woody and King at Spurs.........Dawson Bassong partnership, does not and will not cut it - and Woody and King are not the future!

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Those of you worry when Dawson is on the pitch, when did he last cost us a goal through poor defending. The great Ledley King has probably been at fault for more goals than Dawson this season. It was a daft thing to do(foul fellani on the edge of the box almost) But he got his head to the ball from a free kick BAE gave away in a very dangerous position.

And he also got his head to many more headers.

Anyone who gave him a lesser mark than bassong(even though Dawson scored) has to have their judgement clouded by their slight dislike of Dawson.

Last week Vs Villa

 

[StartingPrice]

Point at Bolton - good point.
Point against Villa - v.good point, great performance, against very good and on form Villa side.
Point at Goodison - v.def. two points dropped, I'm afraid.

Also, when you do these team points thangs, you should also include a mark for the team playing as a team, and, paying as a team, I would have to give 6.5 - would have been 7.5, but the way they seem to think they can cruise to victory has cost again, and I would deduct a point for that. It seems to be just a momentary thing, which allows the opposition to turn us onto the back-foot, which sets the pattern for the rest of the game.

Also, when are you people gonna learn: saying Daws isn't quite good enough at this level is not the same as having a pathalogical hatred of the guy. I actually like him; I love his enthusiasm, energy and the way he plays with a smile on his face. I also think he is pretty damned good 3rd/4th choice centre-half. But as regular 1st choice - sorry, but no.

Also, JD did not have his best game today. Felt like the penalty miss was presaged by 1 or 2 less than crisp goal attempts earlier in the game. Just one of those days I think.

 

[brett.spurs]

Last week Vs Villa

No he didn't? Bassong conceded the corner and lost his man ..

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It was things like that yesterday that cost us a CL spot under Jol. Three points bagged up and ready to go and just pissed away because Redknapp didn't change tactics or personnel when they were required. Of course players are culpable but the manager gets paid to make the necessary changes when things need changing, and they clearly did.

Huddlestone had been a passenger for loads of this game. And into the last 15-20 minutes Defoe and Crouch were as well. Jenas in for Crouch or Defoe would have been the logical thing to do.

And I have no problem with Defoe's inclusion or performance, but I have never liked him as a penalty taker. Great chance to recoup the three points we'd pissed away wasted because he panicked and just wacked it. Come on, you've got to do better than that.

 

[Damian99]

Last week Vs Villa

Very good. And he wasn't the only one from what i remember the goal was a total defensive fuck up.

Against teams like Everton(bolton and a few others) you have to win a lot of high balls(headers) and yesterday nobody won as many as Dawson.

I do not shit myself when Dawsons name is on the team sheet infact far from it.