Everton v Spurs ratings

[brendanb50]

It was things like that yesterday that cost us a CL spot under Jol. Three points bagged up and ready to go and just pissed away because Redknapp didn't change tactics or personnel when they were required. Of course players are culpable but the manager gets paid to make the necessary changes when things need changing, and they clearly did.

Huddlestone had been a passenger for loads of this game. And into the last 15-20 minutes Defoe and Crouch were as well. Jenas in for Crouch or Defoe would have been the logical thing to do.

And I have no problem with Defoe's inclusion or performance, but I have never liked him as a penalty taker. Great chance to recoup the three points we'd pissed away wasted because he panicked and just wacked it. Come on, you've got to do better than that.

I agree entirely with this, the Jenas change was an odd one to me, i felt Niko was still doing a job. Plus perhaps with Crouch off, we'd have got the ball down and tried to play out of trouble rather than hoofing it back to them.

I really felt we just stopped pressing them at about 70mins. Our midfield stopped shutting down and it really allowed Everton to build some pressure. I still feel the goals were preventable and were a bit shambolic from our perspective but our inability to drive on from the centre of midfield and retain possesion really cost us yesterday. 2 points lost.

If you try and look at the positives moving forward, Villa have a tough couple of games coming up, we have have Wolves and then a big one at Citeh, a couple of good results there and all will be forgotten. Let's not forget either that the scum have dropped a few points too. I think the key is that we learn from that 2nd half performance.

 

[Damian99]

The first season we finished 5th under Jol and conceeded very few goals, infact probably our best defensive record in the premiership to date(although i will stand corrected if it isn't) Who were the first choice CBs then? Who was ever present week in week out?. Donkey Dawson?? He was good enough then.

He had a bad spell(but the team also struggled and king was in and out of the side).

You can no longer rely on King or Woodgate and it appears both have probably had their day now.

Dawson still has a good 3/4 years of improvement ahead of him.

In my opinion you are wrong to says he's simply not good enough at this level.

He's proved that he can be and is good enough at prem level. And unless you expect us to raid one of the big four for one of their CBs which won't happen, im more than happy we have the guy.

 

[There's always next year]

Point at Bolton - good point.
Point against Villa - v.good point, great performance, against very good and on form Villa side.
Point at Goodison - v.def. two points dropped, I'm afraid.

Also, when you do these team points thangs, you should also include a mark for the team playing as a team, and, paying as a team, I would have to give 6.5 - would have been 7.5, but the way they seem to think they can cruise to victory has cost again, and I would deduct a point for that. It seems to be just a momentary thing, which allows the opposition to turn us onto the back-foot, which sets the pattern for the rest of the game.

Also, when are you people gonna learn: saying Daws isn't quite good enough at this level is not the same as having a pathalogical hatred of the guy. I actually like him; I love his enthusiasm, energy and the way he plays with a smile on his face. I also think he is pretty damned good 3rd/4th choice centre-half. But as regular 1st choice - sorry, but no.

Also, JD did not have his best game today. Felt like the penalty miss was presaged by 1 or 2 less than crisp goal attempts earlier in the game. Just one of those days I think.

We have got 12 points away from home this year. Chelsea and Utd have 15, so we're not a million miles off. We have only lost twice on our travels at Chelsea and The Goons and it is only Citeh who have lost less away from home than us.

 

[Legend10]

We have got 12 points away from home this year. Chelsea and Utd have 15, so we're not a million miles off. We have only lost twice on our travels at Chelsea and The Goons and it is only Citeh who have lost less away from home than us.

Well said sir,

the biggest disappointment was losing at home to Stoke.

 

[leffe186]

Well said sir,

the biggest disappointment was losing at home to Stoke.

Yeah, and I've already parceled that up with the Sunderland home game - one we should have won, one we should have lost.

If we keep playing well and keep nailing teams at home then I'll take away draws every time.

 

[Legend10]

Yeah, and I've already parceled that up with the Sunderland home game - one we should have won, one we should have lost.

If we keep playing well and keep nailing teams at home then I'll take away draws every time.

Thank god, some optimistic people!

 

[Coyboy]

It was things like that yesterday that cost us a CL spot under Jol. Three points bagged up and ready to go and just pissed away because Redknapp didn't change tactics or personnel when they were required. Of course players are culpable but the manager gets paid to make the necessary changes when things need changing, and they clearly did.

Huddlestone had been a passenger for loads of this game. And into the last 15-20 minutes Defoe and Crouch were as well. Jenas in for Crouch or Defoe would have been the logical thing to do.

And I have no problem with Defoe's inclusion or performance, but I have never liked him as a penalty taker. Great chance to recoup the three points we'd pissed away wasted because he panicked and just wacked it. Come on, you've got to do better than that.

True, but there were as many if not more games under both managers where changes were made to secure victories- this fixture three years ago springs to mind where Murphy was brought on to be a bit calmer in possession or West Ham away last year when O'Hara was brought on.

We should aim to close every game out and make changes to do that. I wanted Jenas on much earlier but for me in this case the players too were not pulling their weight and perhaps Jenas would have only made a slight difference as the team collective could stem the flow of Everton's attack for long enough.

I agree with your assessment, I am just wondering whether it is a consistent fault of Rednapp's (or was of Jol's) or one that just manifests itself occasionly when the players themselves let the team down- and we miss a late penalty, which Defoe did before at Upton Park two years ago.

 

[ultimateloner]

Whether we should sub players off is a moot-point. The fact is we have allowed a lesser team on the day to come back from 2-goals down within 30 mins.

I think the reason is simply individual errors.

Bale lost Coleman
Crouch missed easy chance.
Defoe missed penalty.

You can argue about whether Hud should start (i think not) or Dawson is good enough, but it doesn't matter. In the end it's failure to execute in key moments. We need that quality if we want CL.

I can't wait till Modric returns and even better, bringing Berba back..

 

[jamesc0le]

i agree, we should offer ol' rednose 24 million (well he's not getting any younger) and see if he takes the bait..

 

[archiewasking]

i agree, we should offer ol' rednose 24 million (well he's not getting any younger) and see if he takes the bait..

£4m and Keano? See if he's as daft as Rafa?

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

The first season we finished 5th under Jol and conceeded very few goals, infact probably our best defensive record in the premiership to date(although i will stand corrected if it isn't) Who were the first choice CBs then? Who was ever present week in week out?. Donkey Dawson?? He was good enough then.

He had a bad spell(but the team also struggled and king was in and out of the side).

You can no longer rely on King or Woodgate and it appears both have probably had their day now.

Dawson still has a good 3/4 years of improvement ahead of him.

In my opinion you are wrong to says he's simply not good enough at this level.

He's proved that he can be and is good enough at prem level. And unless you expect us to raid one of the big four for one of their CBs which won't happen, im more than happy we have the guy.

I like him, but I feel so much better when he has a king or a Woody next to him - Dawson and Bassong as a permanent partnership as we push for top 4 is worrying to say the least!:shrug:

 

[Bulletspur]

Whether we should sub players off is a moot-point. The fact is we have allowed a lesser team on the day to come back from 2-goals down within 30 mins.

I think the reason is simply individual errors.

Bale lost Coleman
Crouch missed easy chance.
Defoe missed penalty.

You can argue about whether Hud should start (i think not) or Dawson is good enough, but it doesn't matter. In the end it's failure to execute in key moments. We need that quality if we want CL.

I can't wait till Modric returns and even better, bringing Berba back..

Talking about moot points, had Bale not lost his man, Defoe's missed penalty would not have mattered!

 

[Bulletspur]

I like him, but I feel so much better when he has a king or a Woody next to him - Dawson and Bassong as a permanent partnership as we push for top 4 is worrying to say the least!:shrug:

To be honest, I am happy to blood them in now. If you were to look at the game objectively, both did more good than not. Its just people's distrust or lack of faith in them seem to magnify mistakes and errors out of all proportions.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The first season we finished 5th under Jol and conceeded very few goals, infact probably our best defensive record in the premiership to date(although i will stand corrected if it isn't) Who were the first choice CBs then? Who was ever present week in week out?. Donkey Dawson?? He was good enough then.

He had a bad spell(but the team also struggled and king was in and out of the side).

You can no longer rely on King or Woodgate and it appears both have probably had their day now.

Dawson still has a good 3/4 years of improvement ahead of him.

In my opinion you are wrong to says he's simply not good enough at this level.

He's proved that he can be and is good enough at prem level. And unless you expect us to raid one of the big four for one of their CBs which won't happen, im more than happy we have the guy.

We had our best defensive record that season largely for three main reasons:

1. because Dawson had three fantastically experienced defenders round him in Stalteri, King & Lee. I was pointing out week after week the errors that Dawson was making that were being covered by Stalteri and King or going unpunished. I was saying that this would inevitably change. It did.

2. Because many weeks we played 4 CM's across the midfield including Davids who protects defences superbly, Tainio, Carrick & Jenas.

3. Our football that season - by Jol's own admission - was not expansive. It was based around defensive rigidity, a philosophy that had been started by Santini.

It was Jol's inability to realise that Robinson and Dawson were huge liabilities that ultimately contributed (the degree is open to debate) to his downfall.

That and his failure to succeed tactically with a more expansive game.

 

[Kendall]

I would agree on the whole BC. But I'd have to knock Bale down a notch for both goals and getting roasted on 2 other occasions by Coleman (who?)

I'd also knock Crouch down two as he wasted 3 clear opportunities to score, by which we'd have been 4-0 up and out of sight.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Having watched the goals again, Bale was poor on both. Deserves knocking a point.

Crouch if I remember correctly missed the same amount of chances as Defoe but saw three times the the amount of the ball and took a battering off their players.

Worth every point for his contribution IM(humble)O

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Having watched the goals again, Bale was poor on both. Deserves knocking a point.

Crouch if I remember correctly missed the same amount of chances as Defoe but saw three times the the amount of the ball and took a battering off their players.

Worth every point for his contribution IM(humble)O

One of the few things you and I agree on BC.

You massive girl.

 

[Coyboy]

One of Crouchy's wasn't really a chance, the ball kind of got hit against him and Howard saved it and we didn't get a corner.

 

[Damian99]

We had our best defensive record that season largely for three main reasons:

1. because Dawson had three fantastically experienced defenders round him in Stalteri, King & Lee. I was pointing out week after week the errors that Dawson was making that were being covered by Stalteri and King or going unpunished. I was saying that this would inevitably change. It did.

2. Because many weeks we played 4 CM's across the midfield including Davids who protects defences superbly, Tainio, Carrick & Jenas.

3. Our football that season - by Jol's own admission - was not expansive. It was based around defensive rigidity, a philosophy that had been started by Santini.

It was Jol's inability to realise that Robinson and Dawson were huge liabilities that ultimately contributed (the degree is open to debate) to his downfall.

That and his failure to succeed tactically with a more expansive game.

I would never expect you to give Dawson any credit, ive read enough(and it's your opinion so fair enough) to realise you never will.

Wasn't Jols downfall due to DC? and the fact they made it clear they wanted JR in charge, that totally undermined Jol, there was only one outcome.

The bloke finished 5th two seasons running and then they decide they want rid of him.

It was hardly Dawson fault Jol continued to pick him now is it? Yes he probably should have been dropped but then who would you have played instead of him? We weren't blessed with CBs, oh yeh Rocha? yeh right. And don't try and tell me he was a better bet than Dawson, please.

I suppose it's Dawson's fault JR got the boot from Tottenham? Not the fact he had the worst start to a season ever.

And so what if Dawson needed King along side him, they work well together. CBs CMs and strikers also need A.N other to make them what they are. its no big deal.

But(and you won't agree) Dawson has proved he doesn't need king to hold his hand anymore and infact it could may well be the other way around these days, due to the state of Ledleys fitness.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

But I do give Dawson credit.

No it isn't Dawson's fault that anyone picks him and I have no problem with the fact that he was picked on Sunday. I think I have even said in this thread that as a fourth choice CB he is a good squad member.

And if we wanted to hover around the mid to bottom third of the table then Dawson might suffice. But if we are going to have higher ambitions, then Dawson is no where near good enough. He doesn't read the game quick enough, he doesn't react to danger quick enough, he isn't quick across the ground and lacks intelligence.

He is brave, gives 100% every game and honest as the day is long. Admirable qualities in a person. Credit very much for that. But so was Doherty etc. Dawson is way better but the truth as far as I'm concerned is that he is short of the qualities that are vital for a top side and I can't help but express my honest reservations where he is concerned.

Would you pick him ahead of King, Woodgate & Bassong ? seriously ?