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The throwing knives bit, did you used to work in the circus?
Felt like it some days some of the staff were right clowns.
The throwing knives bit, did you used to work in the circus?
You do actually mention there that your staff have had the shit beaten out of them. Not much of a stretch to think they might prefer someone else getting tasered rather than them pissing blood!
Well to be honest in many cases, if they'd have been doing their job properly it wouldn't have happened.
If there was a threat of having the shit kicked out of you if you didn't do your job properly hanging over more people this country would be in a much better state. Politicians and bankers would be dead, but that would only start the improvement.Well to be honest in many cases, if they'd have been doing their job properly it wouldn't have happened.
It's not beyond credibility. Stuck between Liverpool's dominance of the 80's and Man United's dominance thereafter, the window of opportunity was there, just ask Leeds and that other shower.Therefore is isn't as simple as you suggest.
Anyone else agree with Big Ron re the then Prem challenge?
If there was a threat of having the shit kicked out of you if you didn't do your job properly hanging over more people this country would be in a much better state. Politicians and bankers would be dead, but that would only start the improvement.
Therefore is isn't as simple as you suggest.
Anyone else agree with Big Ron re the then Prem challenge?
I'd say some would love the wrong end of a taser too. Sick puppies.I don't know...some of those politicians pay good money in Soho to have the shit kicked out of their balls.
I was used to work with violent mentally ill people. I was trained by several professionals in ways to both calm them down, and prevent them from harming others. I've dealt with people throwing knives, and beating the shit out of members of my staff. Many of them much stronger and bigger than I. I'm not saying this to try and look like a hard man, far from it. I'm a weedy little fucker. But that's the point, you don't necessarily need to overpower people. There's many ways they can be "guided" into a safer situation. Dalian Atkinson clearly had mental health issues, he was clearly a danger to himself and others. But he wasn't armed.
From various accounts he had a stent clearly visible in his arm where he'd ripped out the dialysis treatment, he was covered in blood and unsteady on his feet. That should have told the officers that he probably wasn't in the best of health, and probably not safe to be shot with 50'000 volts.
The police have a few tricks up their sleeve, I wouldn't believe the 'minimum standard' bit. I have quite a few mates doing it and I stay on the right side of them in an 'over-enthusiastic meeting of minds'. There's no ninjas among them but they can certainly take a sane minded person down if needs be. Luckily for me I'm slightly deranged.
Wibble.
'distraction strike' - seriously, what a fantastic use of words.Not on this specific incident. But, in general:- kicking, while looking absolutely awful, as is punching etc, is often used as a 'distraction strike'. Normally used if the person isn't being compliant. To get arms and legs into a restraining position. Sadly, there's no alternative on occasion. If the person isn't responding to verbal commands or other attampts to get compliance, then it happens. ...
It's not particularly pleasant, and it's hard work, but that doesn't mean it isn't a simple task when the right techniques are implemented. It's a good ten years since I was trained, so I can't say for sure exactly what I'd have done in the situation. Frankly none of us were there so none of us can really. But it seems excessive force was used here to subdue a mentally ill man, who'd lost a lot of blood.
Several newspapers are saying similar, this is from the Mirror.
The ex-Aston Villa and Sheffield Wednesday player was described as in a 'manic state' by his brother
Former Premier League star Dalian Atkinson throttled his father and said he was going to kill him before he was tasered to death by police, it is claimed.
The ex-Aston Villa and Sheffield Wednesday player was described as in a "manic state" by his brother.
The 48-year-old died 90 minutes after he was hit by the stun gun in the street where he grew up in the Trench area of Telford, Shropshire, in the early hours of Monday morning.
Mr Atkinson's brother, Kenroy, 53, told The Sun the ex-Premier League star had undergone dialysis for kidney failure and was "not in his right mind".
He said his brother had attacked their 85-year-old father, Ernest, at his home on Monday before police were called to the scene.
"My brother had lost it. He was in a manic state and depressed - out of his mind and ranting.
"He had a tube in his shoulder for the dialysis and he had ripped it out and was covered in blood," he told the newspaper.
"He got Dad by the throat and said he was going to kill him. He told Dad he had already killed me, our brother Paul and sister Elaine and he had come for him.
"He was not in his right mind.
"We are all devastated. Our family is heartbroken."
According to The Sun when the first Taser shot of 50,000 volts did not stop Atkinson he shouted: “It’s not working.”
It was when a second Taser also failed Ernest, 85, said his son then yelled: “I am the Messiah.”
A third Taser round left him unconscious in the middle of the road outside the house.
He was rushed to hospital where he later died.
I understand that he's very emotional but again like the female witness yesterday this statement should be left for the investigation and possible trial, not for people to read in The Sun, ffs.This puts a totally different slant on the reports from yesterday. Reading this it seems quite likely that the police were told that Atkinson had confessed to murdering three people and that he'd just tried to kill another. Pretty understandable that they used the taser if this report is accurate.
Kennington asking the real questions.
Quite common ParticulArly in large males under the influence of drugs or alcohol to not go down after a taser strike and can sometimes take up to seven discharges to be subdued
I understand that he's very emotional but again like the female witness yesterday this statement should be left for the investigation and possible trial, not for people to read in The Sun, ffs.
I understand that he's very emotional but again like the female witness yesterday this statement should be left for the investigation and possible trial, not for people to read in The Sun, ffs.
It's called the Black Country due to the amount of smoke and soot from heavy industry, not because every other person is black.
It's been called that since the industrial revolution, long before significant immigration.