Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Trent Crimm]

If I knew how to do it on an IPhone I’d point you to posts back in 2019 which show you what people on here thought then. It’s not my memory that’s faulty.

Mate. You have a Nokia 3310. Stop the bullshit

 

[cjbyid]

Yep , and 12 months later the squad was dead on its feet, burnt out. And the results we got were from the sheer brilliance of our front four of Kane, Eriksen, Son and Dele. Poch didn’t have to coach them, and wouldn’t have known how to if he had.
Part of me wants him back now to prove how useless he is.
Or prove me wrong, obviously…

 

[Metalhead]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

I would agree that he was getting a lot of stick by the end - clearly not from everyone but there was definitely a sense that he'd reached the end of the road. Clearly not everyone, including your good self was enamoured with the idea of Mourinho replacing him.

 

[Yiddo100]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

But he literally made the team that become the best in the last decades??

 

[nedley]

Agree with this. It would be complete bullshit.

Tbh though while we're 4th in the table, or at least in with a good chance of finishing 4th, I doubt Levy will pull the trigger. Makes no sense. Especially as Conte hasn't lost the dressing room, and we've still been picking up results, albeit punctuated by frustrating losses.

It's in no way comparable to sacking Mourinho, who it was clear had lost the dressing room, and spent nearly every post match interview throwing players under the bus.

Yeah.

He's definitely not lost the dressing room yet. But that could change.

Difficult to really define what a 'good chance' looks like. I know we are up there but there is a lot to suggest that it might not be for long.

But I guess football changes fast.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Mate. You have a Nokia 3310. Stop the bullshit

That’s like laughing at someone for having a lengthy winky it’s not really an insult more an acknowledgment of his superiority

 

[wadewill]

Seems pretty obvious that he isn’t staying, which makes him nothing more than a gloried caretaker at this point.

Which I absolutely get if the manager we are after is in a job, given us his word and we are just waiting on the summer

But let’s be honest, if it’s Poch he is out of work so get him in now. If it’s not Poch the silly pricks on the board have no fucking idea who it’s going to be so they are just winging it out until the summer in the hope something works out

 

[jimbo]

Nonsense, Vertonghen was shocking under Sherwood, as was Rose, most fans had both on their "need to get rid of" list.

I’m sorry, you’re right. It is nonsense. Sherwood didn’t have the highest win percentage of any Spurs manager. Pochettino wasn’t close to getting the boot before Harry Kane’s free kick against Villa. It was all brilliant, all of the time and we won every game 9-0.

You’ve picked out two players, but you’ve left out many more that Poch improved substantially - Adebayor, Soldado, Kaboul, Chiriches, Yedlin, Fazio, Paulhinho, Chadli, Stambouli, Capoue and plenty others.

Or is it in fact not nonsense and Pochettino did struggle in the beginning before he could drop many of the players mentioned and improve our tally of the previous season by a whopping 3 points?

I think you may have misread or misunderstood the point I was making - Pochettino did not hit the ground running with brilliant performances and results. It took him time to get to grips with the squad and it wasn’t really until the following season that we saw things properly take shape.

I understand that in the memories of some it was always perfect all the time, but that is a false memory. He had his struggles - and he came through. If anything I think it does him a disservice to pretend otherwise.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

 

[Cochise]

Not sure if this is the most appropriate place to post this but I thought it still relevant enough to belong here.

I'm reading a lot of posts across social media about Conte's setup not being relevant to modern day football/the current Premier League. I came across the above video yesterday and I think it debunks that theory. Systematically we are a 343 but on the field we are building up (or at least trying to) in the same 325 that the teams in the video are (Chelsea and Tuchel being the most similar). We are far more flexible than earlier in the season and there is rotation of players across the front five.

The first half against Wolves was not as shocking as some made out and we should have scored at least once. I do think we ran out of ideas in the final third, which might be down to Conte and his automations but IF this is the ground work then it is starting to look like something similar to what other teams are doing. I also think that the right players in certain roles (Son is not suited to his role for instance) could make a real difference.

I know the biggest issue with Conte right now is his behaviour and the contract wrangling. I'm still very much on the fence about whether I want him to stay or go and the above might be me looking for a silver lining. There are positives in our play, some players are understanding their roles and even growing into them whilst others are not.

I do not think everything is as doom and gloom as it was just a month ago.

 

[Mackan110]

Seems more and more likely Conte is off and who can blame him. Lost a couple of friends in the last months and also a Coach. I think it's sad he will leave but not surprised at all because it seems like Levy didn't back him, which we was told.

Now, whom might be the next manager? Many of you want Pochettino back it seems but how would he work with Levy again? We all saw how stubborn both of them are, and because of that we didn't sign any players.

I love poch and he made amazing things for us but I don't want him back. Why take back your old crush? How did he do at PSG? Wasn't he the first manager in many years to not winning the league with them ?

I hope we go for someone else that are pretty young and playing an attractive way of football. Maybe the manager at redbull Salzburg, Matthias Jaissle?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

If Conte leaving is pretty much set in stone, even if it’s not but still very likely, i really really hope we have started giving serious thought to who could come next. I really don’t want us floundering around all summer again. It would be nice to work with a shortlist that we have decided upon prior and that we stick to. No excuse not to really as it really does look like he’s off in the summer.

 

[GMI]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

Hello….is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me? Is there anybody home?

 

[Yiddo100]

If Conte leaving is pretty much set in stone, even if it’s not but still very likely, i really really hope we have started giving serious thought to who could come next. I really don’t want us floundering around all summer again. It would be nice to work with a shortlist that we have decided upon prior and that we stick to. No excuse not to really as it really does look like he’s off in the summer.

Don’t mean to ruin your hopes but I’d suggest seeing what trix posted in the Djed Spence loan thread.

 

[Trotter]

Strong hints coming through that everything rests on Michael Caine's shoulders. We shall see.

So 10/1 as next manager to go seems to be better odds than say the 7/10 on offer that Milan get through.

Hmmm

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Don’t mean to ruin your hopes but I’d suggest seeing what trix posted in the Djed Spence loan thread.

Thanks for the heads up. I honestly laughed out loud reading that. I’m not even surprised really. I’m genuinely surprised how we have managed to stay in the top 6, let alone get in CL, all these years with those clowns running the club.

 

[spurs9]

I’m sorry, you’re right. It is nonsense. Sherwood didn’t have the highest win percentage of any Spurs manager.

No He didn't he is 8th.

I’m sorry, you’re right. It is nonsense. Sherwood didn’t have the highest win percentage of any Spurs manager. Pochettino wasn’t close to getting the boot before Harry Kane’s free kick against Villa.

Can't prove that either way.

You’ve picked out two players, but you’ve left out many more that Poch improved substantially - Adebayor, Soldado, Kaboul, Chiriches, Yedlin, Fazio, Paulhinho, Chadli, Stambouli, Capoue and plenty others.

I picked the 2 most obvious options.

Adebayor - Fair enough, he was better under Sherwood. He didn't suit Poch's style of play.
Soldado - was poor under both.
Kaboul - was poor under both, had started to decline due to injuries before Sherwood took over.
Chrirches - Poor under both.
Yedlin - Didn't play under Sherwood, as he had't signed yet.
Fazio - Didn't play under Sherwood, as he had't signed yet.
Paulinho - Poor under both.
Chadli - Improved. His best season for us was under Poch, we just upgraded.
Stambouli - Didn't play under Sherwood, as he had't signed yet.
Capoue - Poor under both.

To add a few more:
Walker - Improved under Poch (was injured for 1/2 the time Sherwood was in charge though).
Eriksen - Improved under Poch.
Dembele - Improved under Poch.

Or is it in fact not nonsense and Pochettino did struggle in the beginning before he could drop many of the players mentioned and improve our tally of the previous season by a whopping 3 points?

I think you may have misread or misunderstood the point I was making - Pochettino did not hit the ground running with brilliant performances and results. It took him time to get to grips with the squad and it wasn’t really until the following season that we saw things properly take shape.

Even before Poch joined, I remember there were articles quoting Southampton players saying it takes 9 months for teams to adapt to his system, so it wasn't a surprise that it started slowly.

 

[C-oops]

Yep , and 12 months later the squad was dead on its feet, burnt out. And the results we got were from the sheer brilliance of our front four of Kane, Eriksen, Son and Dele. Poch didn’t have to coach them, and wouldn’t have known how to if he had.
Part of me wants him back now to prove how useless he is.
Or prove me wrong, obviously…

Absolute horse shit of the highest order.

 

[SaiboT]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

Must suck to be you, having a brain the size of a peanut lol
Fucking ridiculous

 

[Harrier]

.I’m judging him on his ability as a coach, the ability to make 10 outfield players more than the sum of their parts, and in my opinion he was very poor at that. And I can remember when most on here felt the same way.
I hate the way he turned the most talented squad we’ve had since the sixties into an effort team.

WTF have you been smoking dude?!

It’s clearly addled your brain! 🫣