FA Cup 2016/17

[GioW]

Also....the damage of not finishing in top 4 has NOT been undone today. Sanchez will not stay because they won the FA cup. Are they an attractive proposition right now?
Plus they don't seem to have an incredible recruitment picking out gems or even developing their own. They chuck 42 million at Ozil and however much at Sanchez.

These players will not come without champions league.

 

[worcestersauce]

How long does poch get to win something again? Serious (not nice) question.

I think we will win something next season to be honest not because we can win on our day but because we will be good enough because we have been building up to it for three years, how long will Poch get? Another season for certain.

 

[TheChosenOne]

How long does poch get to win something again? Serious (not nice) question.

MP has been at the club for exactly 3 years.

Alex Ferguson had nothing in his first two and a half seasons, until a scrappy FA cup win against Brighton. The rest is history.

 

[Phomesy]

I would rather win the facup and come fifth than come second.

It's not like we are going to win the champions league anyway.

I'm still immensely proud of our season, football and team but the game is about glory. Second isn't glory. Winning cups and leagues is glory.

Not for me. Tottenham since 60/61 have only been about Cups.

We're now serious contenders.

We're now serious.

And we've done it without financial doping.

And I guarantee you Spurs fans have got more days enjoyment out of watching Spurs play this season than United or Arsenal or any other team than Chelsea this season. We're serious, we're good and we're bloody lovely to watch.

 

[riggi]

MP has been at the club for exactly 3 years.

Alex Ferguson had nothing in his first two and a half seasons, until a scrappy FA cup win against Brighton. The rest is history.

So do we get rid of him?

I think next season is going to be a big dent in our development. I don't think it will be critical obviously but it may just stall.

 

[dannythomas]

How long does poch get to win something again? Serious (not nice) question.

Oh, I would say that if we finish second again, scoring more and conceding less than any other team and if we go all next season unbeaten at Wembley in the league, he should be fired instantly if we don't win the FA Cup or League Cup.

 

[riggi]

Oh, I would say that if we finish second again, scoring more and conceding less than any other team and if we go all next season unbeaten at Wembley in the league, he should be fired instantly if we don't win the FA Cup or League Cup.

Bit silly..

 

[tiger666]

Oh fuck up pal.

Your "drawing attention," as if you are providing us with an epiphany, is a bullshit excuse. You're no supporter, you're a glory hunter in it for the bragging rights... At best.

At worst you're a troll looking to wind up Spurs supporters because you're not one.

whilst the rest of us see that the club is BUILDING towards a sustainable legacy, you want silverware RIGHT NOW so you can give it the biggun.

While we want what the likes of Utd and Chelsea have/have had, you want what Leicester got.

I dream of us being the biggest club in the World and can see that the only way to achieve that is getting up there with the elite.

I also realise that in competing with the elite, at this point in time you are more often than not going to fall short. That realisation doesn't equate to an acceptance, it doesn't mean I, or any others of like mind, have an inferiority complex, it simply means that we realise that we're only part way into the journey.

It's people like you that have the inferiority complex. You'll settle for any trophy so long as it gives you a chance to brag NOW, because you've convinced yourself that we're going to fall away, so better to get what we can now.

I want trophies, lots of trophies. I want my club to be dominant on every front. I want every team we play shitting bricks before a ball is kicked. I want the mindset changed from "Lads, it's Tottenham" to "Fuck, it's Tottenham" every time they see a fixture list.

If I have to suck up the odd glory day for our rivals in order to get that wish then I'll suck it up. I sucked up relegation in the 70's, I sucked up seeing the goons win titles at our place, I sucked up the Scholar debacle and the atrocious '90's. I sucked up "Lasgnegate," being the only team to finish 4th and miss out on CL and I'll suck up a lot more to see this club where I BELIEVE it belongs and is headed.

What I will not suck up is glory hounds telling me that I or the club has no ambition when everything before my eyes make the lie of that.

So, like I said earlier, do one. Everything about you screams glory hound. I'll hazard a guess that you have mates/colleagues who follow the likes of Chelsea and Utd. You've felt embarrassed when they've ribbed you about the trophy count...

And the only reason you haven't jumped ship yet is because they'd embarrass you even more.

My feelings exactly.

 

[TheHood]

That's a good answer and I would not argue with the sentiment entirely, certainly over seven or eight years following 2005, I'm pretty sure I have argued to make a cup the priority, particularly when Europa was the only possibility, but where we are now is a different level, we are no longer upper mid table, we have for the last couple of seasons been building and consolidating our position as title challengers.
We aren't where Chelsea or City are yet where we can successfully prioritise all competitions, I am hopeful though that this phase will develop and over the next two or three years we will be able to do that and so that will be the acid test for us.
The simple fact is that we have been in semi finals and finals over recent years we have just been unsuccessful, as for not winning much since 1991 well to be honest with ourselves, we were absolute shit for an awful lot of it and since then we have been improving only steadily.
If there is an imbedded qualification culture at the club then I think we have to say that if that is the aim then we have been successful and they do say that success breeds success.
I also know that the reason we are now taking flack for "still not having won a trophy" is because there is very little else they can throw at us anymore.

Are we? The clubs capacity hasn't changed, will still remain the sixth biggest club by resources we still remain a tier 2 club. And we am not immune to the failings of such clubs. This side will not remain together for long, we have seen what happens to such side previously with Valencia, Dortmund, A Madrid and we are seeing it with Monaco now. It is why this notion of 'building' and consolidating is so fatious, it is to suggest that this is in our control when it is not.

The quality of the side has improved undoubtedly but the outcomes have not and there in lies the frustration. I think it is a stretch say that a side that finished 11 points behind Leicester and 7 points behind Chelsea and did not top the league in either season could be classified as title challengers. The point here is the club should be realistic, it should acknowledge what it is rather focus on what it wants to be. The title in reality is beyond its capacity, certainly on a consistent basis. The cups are not and whilst it has such a talented playing squad it should be doing its level best to capitalise on that.

 

[Mustard]

I wouldn't . The FA Cup is not what it was . Managers get fired when that's all they achieve. That's why most teams put out weakened line ups until the semis. Like it or not today it's all about playing on the big stage and unless and until winning the Cup gets you into the CL or at the very least the Cup Winners Cup is revived winning the FA Cup is no better than winning the League Cup. The magic of the competition has gone much as they try to create it on the final day. The only thing I would say that maybe getting 4th and into the CL qualifying round is not much different than finishing 5 th and winning the Cup. In other words you could argue either way whether Arsenal or Liverpool had a better season , but between ours and the Goons there is no comparison.

Obviously I disagree with the sentiment but I also disagree with it being a weak trophy. In the last 21 years Arsenal, Chelsea and Manu have been the only winners. The exception being Portsmouth and Wigan. Liverpool won it the year they won three cups in a year too. So for 17 years it's been those three. They do take it seriously or they wouldn't be winning it so often.

You can only win so many cups or titles in a season. They are all worth winning.

Sadly a whole generation has been brainwashed by Sky relentlessly plugging their product as the only show in town. It's really not.

And whilst I love the idea of the champions league I'd rather something tangible and something that's realistically within our grasp. Poch seemed to have got that this season and we had a nice run in to the semis. Shame he played Son at lb or we could have been lifting that trophy today. I remember the last time it happened.

It felt good, it felt really good. It felt better than finishing second.

 

[Ionman34]

I think we will win something next season to be honest not because we can win on our day but because we will be good enough because we have been building up to it for three years, how long will Poch get? Another season for certain.

I think he'll get more than that.

Next season, for me, is not a make or break for him, dependant on trophies. In his 3 years we have consistently improved to the point where we are a name on everyone's lips globally. From the club's perspective, this enables us to gain higher revenues and increases the ability to attract better players, thereby increasing our opportunities for more trophies.

That, I believe, is the end game here for Levy. Not one off silverware, but to get up there with the biggest and best, CONTINUALLY vying for the top honours, not a once in a decade cup win.

I really don't ever want to hear songs like "It's lucky for Spurs when thr year ends in 1" again. I'd rather the year ending in 1 was the unlucky one, because we've won a trophy in the other 9 years in that decade.

Poch has been instrumental in taking us to that higher level and he is hungry for silverware. More importantly, he's hungry for the title and he wants it with us.

And I don't think he'll be happy with just that.

 

[Phomesy]

The quality of the side has improved undoubtedly but the outcomes have not .

We just finished second with a GD rarely achieved in history.

It's the best league season since we won the bloody thing.

"Outcomes not improved"? Fuck me...

 

[ardiles]

How long does poch get to win something again? Serious (not nice) question.

I think there's a good chance that we might win something within the next couple of seasons.

We have seen improvement in every season since Poch arrived here. It's not that we are very far off the moneybags teams now in terms of quality play. The gap has certainly closed down.

Our first eleven, when all are available, have the quality to beat any team in the EPL. However we do need to strengthen our bench in certain areas.
It would be an extra bonus if we get a player that can slot in to the first eleven in this coming window. We also need to keep our best players, if possible.

 

[ikky]

We are punching well above our weight, by rights we should be 6th or 7th, but because we haven't won a trophy people are actually asking how long should Poch get should he not win one? FFS!

 

[Gb160]

We are punching well above our weight, by rights we should be 6th or 7th, but because we haven't won a trophy people are actually asking how long should Poch get should he not win won? FFS!

Must be what it's like being on a Chelsea/Man city forum.
Cant believe the effect that Arsenal winning the FA Cup is having on some posters, really embarrassing stuff.

 

[TheHood]

Oh fuck up pal.

Your "drawing attention," as if you are providing us with an epiphany, is a bullshit excuse. You're no supporter, you're a glory hunter in it for the bragging rights... At best.

At worst you're a troll looking to wind up Spurs supporters because you're not one.

whilst the rest of us see that the club is BUILDING towards a sustainable legacy, you want silverware RIGHT NOW so you can give it the biggun.

While we want what the likes of Utd and Chelsea have/have had, you want what Leicester got.

I dream of us being the biggest club in the World and can see that the only way to achieve that is getting up there with the elite.

I also realise that in competing with the elite, at this point in time you are more often than not going to fall short. That realisation doesn't equate to an acceptance, it doesn't mean I, or any others of like mind, have an inferiority complex, it simply means that we realise that we're only part way into the journey

It's people like you that have the inferiority complex. You'll settle for any trophy so long as it gives you a chance to brag NOW, because you've convinced yourself that we're going to fall away, so better to get what we can now.

I want trophies, lots of trophies. I want my club to be dominant on every front. I want every team we play shitting bricks before a ball is kicked. I want the mindset changed from "Lads, it's Tottenham" to "Fuck, it's Tottenham" every time they see a fixture list.

If I have to suck up the odd glory day for our rivals in order to get that wish then I'll suck it up. I sucked up relegation in the 70's, I sucked up seeing the goons win titles at our place, I sucked up the Scholar debacle and the atrocious '90's. I sucked up "Lasgnegate," being the only team to finish 4th and miss out on CL and I'll suck up a lot more to see this club where I BELIEVE it belongs and is headed.

What I will not suck up is glory hounds telling me that I or the club has no ambition when everything before my eyes make the lie of that.

So, like I said earlier, do one. Everything about you screams glory hound. I'll hazard a guess that you have mates/colleagues who follow the likes of Chelsea and Utd. You've felt embarrassed when they've ribbed you about the trophy count...

And the only reason you haven't jumped ship yet is because they'd embarrass you even more.

And how is this 'sustainable' legacy being built exactly? The rhetoric I see from elements of the supporter base is wishful thinking or pure fantasy. This club isn't part of the elite and will not be even with the new stadium quite simply because it will not possess the capacity in either circumstance. And It does not posses the capacity to retain its major players much in the manner that clubs A Madrid and Dortmund could not. The real question is why do so many operate under the notion that the realities of the modern game do not apply to us? As if we alone are immune to them.

You are absolutely right that I want silverware now. The club hasn't won any in a decade, it hasn't won an FA Cup in 26 years, a UEFA cup in 33. It has a team capable of wining major silverware so why wouldn't we want or expect this now? I'm not envious of other clubs and their supporters I'm envious of our own, of those who able to witness those previous success. Seriously just how much more patience do we need to show? I have heard the whole building retohric since 2004, the narrative is exactly the same. We were good enough to challenge for the UEFA cup, FA Cup and league cup and have been ever since. What is their to be patient with that we when we already good enough to win those trophies?

 

[TheChosenOne]

Want trophy's as much as the next Spurs fan but being absolutely class every week is quite nice as well. We're going along just fine thank you.

History unfortunately glosses over those decisions which give teams victory - like the first goal today - offside/handball now forgotten.

The Moses dive over Sonny in the SF - not helping us but maybe karma came back today and bit Chelsea in the arse.

Lucky Spurs we ain't.

 

[TheHood]

We just finished second with a GD rarely achieved in history.

It's the best league season since we won the bloody thing.

"Outcomes not improved"? Fuck me...

And we set out at the start the season to finish second and have a great GD?

No we, the goal is silverware that is the outcome that we should all want and it is something that illudes us.

 

[TheChosenOne]

And we set out at the start the season to finish second and have a great GD?

No we, the goal is silverware that is the outcome that we should all want and it is something that illudes us.

Since our last FA cup win .. Portsmouth And Wigan have won it and Blackburn have won the EPL.

Where are they now ?

 

[Mustard]

Since our last FA cup win .. Portsmouth And Wigan have won it and Blackburn have won the EPL.

Where are they now ?

You're not seriously comparing us to them are you?

Wow.