Former Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti eyes Premier League job

[ackie]

I think he will do wonders for Spurs. He is a proven winner.

He is looking for an ambitious club. THFC :wink:
I think he is the best at the moment for us IF/WHEN Redknapp leave us for England job.

Check link, read and comment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15420315.stm

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

There is nothing in that article linking him to Spurs. He mentions maybe one of the Manchester clubs, but nothing about anyone else.

In all honesty I'm far from convinced by him, which may be a reflection on my time living in Italy. His best season at most of the clubs he has been at has been his first season. He has a knack of being able to take a group of good players and take them that little bit further and win something even if at times they play efficient rather than exciting football (Chelsea being an exception but they were packed with exciting type players to start with).

His weakness seems to be that after the first season his teams seem to get worse and they fail to live up to the successes of his first season in charge. Most Milan fans were pleased to see the back of him, which would seem surprising given the fact that he won 2 CL's with them and reached another final (note that for the final loss and 2007 win they were miles behind Inter in the league and were resting players in League games to be fresh for CL. The Istanbul final was between the 5th best team in England and 5th best in Italy at the time). By the time he left the Milan squad was aged, slow and had been in need of an overhaul for about 2 years with some pretty glaring weaknesses, but he didn't do what was needed.

I'm sure if he took over in charge with us he would have an impact with the quality players that we have, but in the current state of English football that wouldn't be enough to win something and we will be struggling to compete with the big spending clubs as well. Just because he has won things doesn't mean he would be able to come in and win things with us, the likelihood is that he wouldn't. We are going to have to be really smart to compete (and we've started collecting young talents from around the world and have already had some impressive displays with the U19 side). I'd suggest in order for us to compete with teams that are going to spend hundreds of millions on players each window that someone who is not known for his progressive team building is not the right direction for us.

He's won a lot, so has Rafa Benitez, but I doubt either of them could win with our squad despite it being talented.

That being said, if we got Ancelotti that would mean a return to a director of football and if that is the case then he might work well with someone like Fabrizio Larini (being as they are both Italian). Udinese have worked absolute wonders in the transfer market finding players from all over the world and signing them for cheap as long as they fit the philosophy that the club is trying to create as director Pozzo stated after their 7-0 win away at Palermo last season:

‘You define it as phenomenal. In reality we have been working in a determined manner for a long time,’ said Pozzo.

http://footballcurva.com/leagues-co...o-pozzo.html/attachment/sanchez-and-di-natale​

‘The Udinese of today is the only team in Italy to adopt the football philosophy of Spain in the sense that we try to privilege the technical qualities, which allow us to develop a style of play that makes the difference.’
‘A little like what is happening at Barca who are the number one team in the world.
‘What has been verified in Palermo is an exceptionally positive fact because victories of this nature away from home have not been seen for more than 50 years

Even after they sold D'Agostino, Pepe, Motta etc. after 2010 they got better and finished 4th last season. This season they are top of the league having sold Alexis Sanchez (for a 24m Euro profit), Inler (for 12.5m Euro profit) and Zapata. They are able to bring in technically gifted players to slot into the philosophy of the club and at the moment are competing with clubs that are spending much more money than them (Napoli, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio etc.).

Obviously we already have a lot of talent at our disposal but big clubs are going to come in with big money. The only way I seriously see us competing is if we can keep as much of our talent as possible but find technically gifted players from around the world before the big clubs are aware of them.

 

[brasil_spur]

I'm also not convinced Ancelotti is the answer, top manager - YES, could he do a job for us - YES, but i'm not sure he's going to take us to that next level.

 

[ackie]

There is nothing in that article linking him to Spurs. He mentions maybe one of the Manchester clubs, but nothing about anyone else.

In all honesty I'm far from convinced by him, which may be a reflection on my time living in Italy. His best season at most of the clubs he has been at has been his first season. He has a knack of being able to take a group of good players and take them that little bit further and win something even if at times they play efficient rather than exciting football (Chelsea being an exception but they were packed with exciting type players to start with).

His weakness seems to be that after the first season his teams seem to get worse and they fail to live up to the successes of his first season in charge. Most Milan fans were pleased to see the back of him, which would seem surprising given the fact that he won 2 CL's with them and reached another final (note that for the final loss and 2007 win they were miles behind Inter in the league and were resting players in League games to be fresh for CL. The Istanbul final was between the 5th best team in England and 5th best in Italy at the time). By the time he left the Milan squad was aged, slow and had been in need of an overhaul for about 2 years with some pretty glaring weaknesses, but he didn't do what was needed.

I'm sure if he took over in charge with us he would have an impact with the quality players that we have, but in the current state of English football that wouldn't be enough to win something and we will be struggling to compete with the big spending clubs as well. Just because he has won things doesn't mean he would be able to come in and win things with us, the likelihood is that he wouldn't. We are going to have to be really smart to compete (and we've started collecting young talents from around the world and have already had some impressive displays with the U19 side). I'd suggest in order for us to compete with teams that are going to spend hundreds of millions on players each window that someone who is not known for his progressive team building is not the right direction for us.

He's won a lot, so has Rafa Benitez, but I doubt either of them could win with our squad despite it being talented.

That being said, if we got Ancelotti that would mean a return to a director of football and if that is the case then he might work well with someone like Fabrizio Larini (being as they are both Italian). Udinese have worked absolute wonders in the transfer market finding players from all over the world and signing them for cheap as long as they fit the philosophy that the club is trying to create as director Pozzo stated after their 7-0 win away at Palermo last season:



Even after they sold D'Agostino, Pepe, Motta etc. after 2010 they got better and finished 4th last season. This season they are top of the league having sold Alexis Sanchez (for a 24m Euro profit), Inler (for 12.5m Euro profit) and Zapata. They are able to bring in technically gifted players to slot into the philosophy of the club and at the moment are competing with clubs that are spending much more money than them (Napoli, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio etc.).

Obviously we already have a lot of talent at our disposal but big clubs are going to come in with big money. The only way I seriously see us competing is if we can keep as much of our talent as possible but find technically gifted players from around the world before the big clubs are aware of them.

If HR walks away, who would you suggest? Granted that he left with an aging squad but let's give credit where it is due, he did win things and i guess that is what we should all want. Making and Consolidating 4th place is not good enough imo, although it is a realistic target but we have not won anything!
We are still in Europe and FA Cup is coming soon and we do need to put some runs together in order to achieve success.

 

[ackie]

I'm also not convinced Ancelotti is the answer, top manager - YES, could he do a job for us - YES, but i'm not sure he's going to take us to that next level.

OK. But who would you suggest and why IF/WHEN HR walks away for the England job?

 

[AngerManagement]

Proven winner yes, but his wins have mostly come with top teams. Has he even turned a team who are not winners into a bunch of winners (in the way Sir Alex did and Jose did for example)

Chelsea were already established as one of the top two teams in the country, had won league and cups and even been in a CL final in the years before he took over and while he did great to win them the double they were already an established winning unit as were Milan in Italy. (and Juve who he failed to win silverware with)

I know he is a great and successful manager, I am just not quite so sure he is guaranteed to be the success some think he would be with us. I've seen this type of thing before, Santini was supposed to be the great manager who would lead us to glory and so was Ramos.

Capello was the great proven winner who was finally going to change the mentality and fortunes of the England national team, after all he had won the league everywhere and he couldn't fail to get the best out of the England team and win us the world cup right? well thus far he has probably been less successful than Sven was.

I am not trying to turn my nose up at Ancelloti, he is no doubt a great and proven manager but I am suggesting some people may think the grass is greener when they look at him now and are discontent with Harry for one reason or another but they may find as and when the change is made that that greener grass was actually astroturf much like when the almighty Ramos (proven winner with Seville) came to replace Jol and lead us to glory.

It's not broke, don't fix it is kind of how I feel at the moment. We are doing well and slowly building under Harry, if he leaves or for whatever reason he is not our manager in the seasons to come fine we have to bring someone in but I am not so sure its a good thing and we could/would lose stability and be taking quite a risk whoever we bring in (unless some how we tempted Jose for example)

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Redknapp's court case only a few weeks off now :hump:

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Redknapp's court case only a few weeks off now :hump:

You make me sick.

We won for the 5th time in 6 games yesterday Gashcroft, because you probably weren't aware.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

There is nothing in that article linking him to Spurs. He mentions maybe one of the Manchester clubs, but nothing about anyone else.

In all honesty I'm far from convinced by him, which may be a reflection on my time living in Italy. His best season at most of the clubs he has been at has been his first season. He has a knack of being able to take a group of good players and take them that little bit further and win something even if at times they play efficient rather than exciting football (Chelsea being an exception but they were packed with exciting type players to start with).

His weakness seems to be that after the first season his teams seem to get worse and they fail to live up to the successes of his first season in charge. Most Milan fans were pleased to see the back of him, which would seem surprising given the fact that he won 2 CL's with them and reached another final (note that for the final loss and 2007 win they were miles behind Inter in the league and were resting players in League games to be fresh for CL. The Istanbul final was between the 5th best team in England and 5th best in Italy at the time). By the time he left the Milan squad was aged, slow and had been in need of an overhaul for about 2 years with some pretty glaring weaknesses, but he didn't do what was needed.

I'm sure if he took over in charge with us he would have an impact with the quality players that we have, but in the current state of English football that wouldn't be enough to win something and we will be struggling to compete with the big spending clubs as well. Just because he has won things doesn't mean he would be able to come in and win things with us, the likelihood is that he wouldn't. We are going to have to be really smart to compete (and we've started collecting young talents from around the world and have already had some impressive displays with the U19 side). I'd suggest in order for us to compete with teams that are going to spend hundreds of millions on players each window that someone who is not known for his progressive team building is not the right direction for us.

He's won a lot, so has Rafa Benitez, but I doubt either of them could win with our squad despite it being talented.

That being said, if we got Ancelotti that would mean a return to a director of football and if that is the case then he might work well with someone like Fabrizio Larini (being as they are both Italian). Udinese have worked absolute wonders in the transfer market finding players from all over the world and signing them for cheap as long as they fit the philosophy that the club is trying to create as director Pozzo stated after their 7-0 win away at Palermo last season:



Even after they sold D'Agostino, Pepe, Motta etc. after 2010 they got better and finished 4th last season. This season they are top of the league having sold Alexis Sanchez (for a 24m Euro profit), Inler (for 12.5m Euro profit) and Zapata. They are able to bring in technically gifted players to slot into the philosophy of the club and at the moment are competing with clubs that are spending much more money than them (Napoli, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio etc.).

Obviously we already have a lot of talent at our disposal but big clubs are going to come in with big money. The only way I seriously see us competing is if we can keep as much of our talent as possible but find technically gifted players from around the world before the big clubs are aware of them.

That's key. Then we can let someone else worry about longer-term plans and let Ancelotti get on with coaching.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

You make me sick.

We won for the 5th time in 6 games yesterday Gashcroft, because you probably weren't aware.

Which was great. But I'm still opposed to Reknapp on a moral level and always will be.

Lady Justice is waiting just around the corner for him.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

That's key. Then we can let someone else worry about longer-term plans and let Ancelotti get on with coaching.

He'd still be involved with the decision making on the transfer front and would have to define the way the team plays and use this as a basis for the philosophy of the scouting system. He's worked in continental systems everywhere he has been and hasn't yet been able to establish a long term league improvement at a single club.

Oh and less of the trolling regarding Harry's case.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Which was great. But I'm still opposed to Reknapp on a moral level and always will be.

Lady Justice is waiting just around the corner for him.

Of which you know nothing about apart from hearsay and bullshit, a bit like those that told you Ramos was a good manager.

Hopefully there is some sort of justice waiting round the corner for you too.

 

[yido_number1]

There is nothing in that article linking him to Spurs. He mentions maybe one of the Manchester clubs, but nothing about anyone else.

In all honesty I'm far from convinced by him, which may be a reflection on my time living in Italy. His best season at most of the clubs he has been at has been his first season. He has a knack of being able to take a group of good players and take them that little bit further and win something even if at times they play efficient rather than exciting football (Chelsea being an exception but they were packed with exciting type players to start with).

His weakness seems to be that after the first season his teams seem to get worse and they fail to live up to the successes of his first season in charge. Most Milan fans were pleased to see the back of him, which would seem surprising given the fact that he won 2 CL's with them and reached another final (note that for the final loss and 2007 win they were miles behind Inter in the league and were resting players in League games to be fresh for CL. The Istanbul final was between the 5th best team in England and 5th best in Italy at the time). By the time he left the Milan squad was aged, slow and had been in need of an overhaul for about 2 years with some pretty glaring weaknesses, but he didn't do what was needed.

I'm sure if he took over in charge with us he would have an impact with the quality players that we have, but in the current state of English football that wouldn't be enough to win something and we will be struggling to compete with the big spending clubs as well. Just because he has won things doesn't mean he would be able to come in and win things with us, the likelihood is that he wouldn't. We are going to have to be really smart to compete (and we've started collecting young talents from around the world and have already had some impressive displays with the U19 side). I'd suggest in order for us to compete with teams that are going to spend hundreds of millions on players each window that someone who is not known for his progressive team building is not the right direction for us.

He's won a lot, so has Rafa Benitez, but I doubt either of them could win with our squad despite it being talented.

That being said, if we got Ancelotti that would mean a return to a director of football and if that is the case then he might work well with someone like Fabrizio Larini (being as they are both Italian). Udinese have worked absolute wonders in the transfer market finding players from all over the world and signing them for cheap as long as they fit the philosophy that the club is trying to create as director Pozzo stated after their 7-0 win away at Palermo last season:



Even after they sold D'Agostino, Pepe, Motta etc. after 2010 they got better and finished 4th last season. This season they are top of the league having sold Alexis Sanchez (for a 24m Euro profit), Inler (for 12.5m Euro profit) and Zapata. They are able to bring in technically gifted players to slot into the philosophy of the club and at the moment are competing with clubs that are spending much more money than them (Napoli, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio etc.).

Obviously we already have a lot of talent at our disposal but big clubs are going to come in with big money. The only way I seriously see us competing is if we can keep as much of our talent as possible but find technically gifted players from around the world before the big clubs are aware of them.

Nice write up, I think if Udinese fans looked at us they would probable say something very similar... Sandro, Bale, Lennon, Ekotto, Giovani etc all invested in as players that werent fully developed and are now worth more. I would of included modric but we paid 16 mill for him...

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Of which you know nothing about apart from hearsay and bullshit, a bit like those that told you Ramos was a good manager.

Hopefully there is some sort of justice waiting round the corner for you too.

Read the court papers yourself if you like: http://thestory.ie/2011/08/03/harry-redknapp-tax-evasion-and-mandarics-offshore-account/

 

[AngerManagement]

Read the court papers yourself if you like: http://thestory.ie/2011/08/03/harry-redknapp-tax-evasion-and-mandarics-offshore-account/

You have a moral objection to him supposedly not paying the right amount of tax?

Are you sure this is why you don't like him? or did you already not like him and use this notion as a reason to further dislike him or to justify your dislike for him?

Its not like he is a murderer or a rapist for you to take exception to him on a moral level or are you so holier than thou that you can dislike anyone who breaks the law at any time in their lives and only admire the saintly people like Juade Ramos who obviously just wasn't given the time to make things right and had he still been in charge now we would now doubt be racing away with the league (what a guy)

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

You have a moral objection to him supposedly not paying the right amount of tax?

Are you sure this is why you don't like him? or did you already not like him and use this notion as a reason to further dislike him or to justify your dislike for him?

Its not like he is a murderer or a rapist for you to take exception to him on a moral level or are you so holier than thou that you can dislike anyone who breaks the law at any time in their lives and only admire the saintly people like Juade Ramos who obviously just wasn't given the time to make things right and had he still been in charge now we would now doubt be racing away with the league (what a guy)

Not paying tax on what - that's the real question? Redknapp's got 30 years of previous. The tax angle is just the device for CPS to finally nail him - Capone style.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Not paying tax on what - that's the real question? Redknapp's got 30 years of previous. The tax angle is just the device for CPS to finally nail him - Capone style.

30 years of previous what Dan?

 

[AngerManagement]

Not paying tax on what - that's the real question? Redknapp's got 30 years of previous. The tax angle is just the device for CPS to finally nail him - Capone style.

what I am asking is is anything you know Redknapp to have done (or even things you think he has done) enough for you to actually object to him on a moral level.

Is he a murder? a rapist? a thug with a record of GBH? a wife beater? a kiddy fiddler? these are the type of crimes that warrant moral objections to (you could even go as far as things like drink drivers etc....not least Lee Hughes)

Are you seriously saying that whatever bendings of the law you know or think you know Harry to have been involved in are bad enough to make you dislike him because of your morals? or would you admit that for one reason or another you simply have always disliked him and never wanted him to be manager and the court case etc just helps you justify this dislike? (as this is what it seems like to me)

The thing is you are perfectly entitled not to like him, for no reason if you want. It does however sound pretty pathetic to say you dislike him soley because of your moral objection to his behaviour and "criminal antics" so to speak because frankly you will not find many who do not bend a law or two every day pretty much one way or another and I am sure you are not so sensitive and morally perfect that any such crime can force you morally to dislike someone.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Read the court papers yourself if you like: http://thestory.ie/2011/08/03/harry-redknapp-tax-evasion-and-mandarics-offshore-account/

You said you didn't like Harry because of the 'bungs' and that's going back before this courtcase. Changing ones agenda to suit.

Aren't you a journo Ashcroft?

Hilarious that you would be trying to take the moral high ground :lol:

 

[$hoguN]

Redknapp's court case only a few weeks off now :hump:

The guy is our most successful manager for God knows how long, at least try to have a little respect