Gomes on Redknapp sacking

[SpurSince57]

The two mistakes thing is nonsense but before he lost confidence agin there were threads on here saying he was the best since Big Pat.
I think it was one of the bad points of the Redknapp regime how much those he marginalized depreciated.

On top form, he is the best keeper we've had since Pat. Look back at those threads, though, and I've a feeling you'll find it was me, B-C and a few others saying so; there has always been a high percentage of SCers slating him. As for Harry's 'marginalising' him, he kept faith with him for the best part of three seasons, despite well-publicised initial misgivings, and got Parkes in to help him out. That seemed to work, and in 09-10 there really wasn't too much to complain about at all; there wasn't too much to complain about until around halfway through 10-11, after which the minuses started heavily to outweigh the pluses. I'm pretty sure that Gomes shot-to-save ratio dropped from the high 70s to the 60s, although if someone can find stats to disprove that I'll be very happy to be proven wrong. Another thing of which I'm pretty sure is that the farce against Blackpool was the last straw as far as Harry was concerned. It wasn't at all unusual to have the best and worst of Gomes in the same match, but to save a penalty and then give another away literally seconds later? Come on.

We had some ITK that there was a major bust-up after Friedel was brought in, and that was the reason Gomes dropped below Cuddles in the pecking order. Was it true? Fuck knows. But we don't know the facts, so this, 'Why didn't Harry bring in a sports psychologist?' doesn't wash.

In most respects, Friedel ranked third or fourth in the keeping stats last season, and was only fractionally behind Hart in the shot-to-save ratings. I can't get too upset over that.

 

[parklane1]

To be fair though he could/should have been giving that look to the defenders about 57 times more than they could ever give it to him. Our defenders, midfielders and attackers cost us way more goals with slapdash play than he ever did.

Sorry i am not having that, he is the keeper and the defenders lost faith in him and you could see it in their faces. He came from Holland with the same faults he has now, he has never looked like improving on them and he never will.

 

[parklane1]

The two mistakes thing is nonsense but before he lost confidence agin there were threads on here saying he was the best since Big Pat.
I think it was one of the bad points of the Redknapp regime how much those he marginalized depreciated.

Not for me he was not, Clemence was a far better keeper and Jennings was the best i have ever seen. Gomes was nowhere near either of those two.

 

[SpurSince57]

Sorry i am not having that, he is the keeper and the defenders lost faith in him and you could see it in their faces. He came from Holland with the same faults he has now, he has never looked like improving on them and he never will.

Not true. If he was still making the occasional blooper in 09-10, his overall performance was excellent and he seemed to have taken Parkes' coaching on board. As I posted a few minutes ago, up until Christmas/New Year 10-11 the pluses definitely heavily outweighed the minuses, so you could say, 'Sure, he has those WTFWT? moments, but he makes up for them.' Once the balance tips the other way, though, you have to ask questions.

 

[parklane1]

Not true. If he was still making the occasional blooper in 09-10, his overall performance was excellent and he seemed to have taken Parkes' coaching on board. As I posted a few minutes ago, up until Christmas/New Year 10-11 the pluses definitely heavily outweighed the minuses, so you could say, 'Sure, he has those WTFWT? moments, but he makes up for them.' Once the balance tips the other way, though, you have to ask questions.

Yes true, he came from Holland with a reputation of flapping at the ball when it was in the air. He got away with it over there because their game is not about launching the ball into the box so much.

His decision making was poor as well, remember when he nearly took out his CB in the games against us in Europe, well he did the same her with Corluka on at least two occasions.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes true, he came from Holland with a reputation of flapping at the ball when it was in the air. He got away with it over there because their game is not about launching the ball into the box so much.

His decision making was poor as well, remember when he nearly took out his CB in the games against us in Europe, well he did the same her with Corluka on at least two occasions.

He certainly had the mentalist reputation there; I watched a fair bit of Dutch footy then, and he'd frequently plough into his CBs (yes, I can clearly remember the incident when we played them) and hoped we would sign him, because he was, and is, a brilliant shot-stopper. On that criterion, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he's the best we've had since Pat. Unfortunately, it seems he hasn't been able to keep Parkes' coaching on board.

 

[parklane1]

He certainly had the mentalist reputation there; I watched a fair bit of Dutch footy then, and he'd frequently plough into his CBs (yes, I can clearly remember the incident when we played them) and hoped we would sign him, because he was, and is, a brilliant shot-stopper. On that criterion, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he's the best we've had since Pat. Unfortunately, it seems he hasn't been able to keep Parkes' coaching on board.

I still think Clemence was better then him and i agree he was more of a reflex keeper ( some great saves) more then a great shot-stopper ( to many shots went through him for that). But at the end of the day the defenders lost confidence in him and it would best for him and us to move on.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I still think Clemence was better then him and i agree he was more of a reflex keeper ( some great saves) more then a great shot-stopper ( to many shots went through him for that). But at the end of the day the defenders lost confidence in him and it would best for him and us to move on.

You clearly never saw Clemence let the ball through his legs for England then (against Scotland) or the time he let one through his hands against Barcelona for Spurs in almost identical fashion to the Real Madrid blunder of Gomes. As a shot stopper Clemence wasn't in Gomes's league.

 

[StartingPrice]

You clearly never saw Clemence let the ball through his legs for England then (against Scotland) or the time he let one through his hands against Barcelona for Spurs in almost identical fashion to the Real Madrid blunder of Gomes. As a shot stopper Clemence wasn't in Gomes's league.

Yeah...but it didn't really matter because, at the time, the Scotland 'keepers were operating a you let one throught your legs I'll let ten through mine policy
Part of an overall an overall trend that saw one Scotland manager arrested in a hotel lobby, at one World Cup, trying to break into a ciggie vending machine. When police asked what he was doing he replied that he was looking for twenty Players :giggle:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yeah...but it didn't really matter because, at the time, the Scotland 'keepers were operating a you let one throught your legs I'll let ten through mine policy
Part of an overall an overall trend that saw one Scotland manager arrested in a hotel lobby, at one World Cup, trying to break into a ciggie vending machine. When police asked what he was doing he replied that he was looking for twenty Players :giggle:

How dare you slander the nation that scored the greatest ever world cup goal.

 

[StartingPrice]

How dare you slander the nation that scored the greatest ever world cup goal.

Yeah...but that was just because of comic book defending due to thinking Archie was Finger Mouse

 

[parklane1]

You clearly never saw Clemence let the ball through his legs for England then (against Scotland) or the time he let one through his hands against Barcelona for Spurs in almost identical fashion to the Real Madrid blunder of Gomes. As a shot stopper Clemence wasn't in Gome's league.

Yes i did, but i have never seen a keeper that does not make mistakes. But some make a lot more then others and Gomes definitely was in tha group.

 

[Damian99]

Clemence was a better goalkeeper than Gomes imo.

 

[sim0n]

Okay, in general here's where we seem to be at:

1- Jennings was the best ever Spurs keeper
2- Clemence is arguably #2
3- Neither Friedel nor Gomes are near the keeper of 1 & 2
4- Both Friedel and Gomes have their pros & cons
5- Overall, no one seems to feel Friedel or Gomes are good enough to move Spurs forward into a CL contender
6- It would seem, given the pros and cons, Friedel is the more effective starting keeping with the current roster

So, the real question is, "Who is the keeper Spurs need to bring in to make the team better?" I am not convinced Lloris is the best choice to improve the team -- WHO do you all is available to improve Spurs starting 11 (in goal) as a top keeper?

Does anyone know who the nest van der saar is?

 

[sim0n]

BTW - just read this from a link on another SC thread - piece of interview with AVB:

At the other tip of the formation, there are no plans to replace goalkeeper Brad Friedel. The American's age – 41 – led some to speculate a replacement could arrive, but Villas-Boas nixed that notion.

"The search for a goalkeeper is a non-search to be fair," he said. "It's false that we are looking for a goalkeeper."

Friedel is seven years older than Villas-Boas.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I want you all to know I vehemently disapprove of where this thread has gone.


And the Dave Narey toe poke was even better.

 

[yanno]

You clearly never saw Clemence let the ball through his legs for England then (against Scotland) or the time he let one through his hands against Barcelona for Spurs in almost identical fashion to the Real Madrid blunder of Gomes. As a shot stopper Clemence wasn't in Gomes's league.

Like B-C, I spent many a Saturday afternoon and Wednesday evening on cold, wet, terraces, watching Ray "Keep 'Em Out" Clemence.

Clemence was very good, but certainly made his share of absolute howlers.

As a shot stopper, Clemence was not as good as Gomes. Nor was he as good at coming for crosses.

Oh, and for those who keep spelling it "Parkes", our goalkeeping coach is Tony Parks, and I will always remember his match-winning penalty save in the 1984 UEFA Cup Final.

 

[SpurSince57]

Like B-C, I spent many a Saturday afternoon and Wednesday evening watching Ray "Keep 'Em Out" Clemence on cold, wet, terraces.

Clemence was very good, but certainly made his share of absolute howlers.

As a shot stopper, Clemence was not as good as Gomes. Nor was he as good at coming for crosses.

Oh, and for those who keep spelling it "Parkes", our goalkeeping coach is Tony Parks, and I will always remember his match-winning penalty save in the 1984 UEFA Cup Final.

He was certainly pretty shaky when he first arrived. Maybe 30 years' distance is lending enchantment.

Of course it's Parks. What am I doing forgetting that Tony dropped the 'e' to avoid confusion with his elder brother Phil?

 

[StartingPrice]

Okay, in general here's where we seem to be at:

1- Jennings was the best ever Spurs keeper
2- Clemence is arguably #2
3- Neither Friedel nor Gomes are near the keeper of 1 & 2
4- Both Friedel and Gomes have their pros & cons
5- Overall, no one seems to feel Friedel or Gomes are good enough to move Spurs forward into a CL contender
6- It would seem, given the pros and cons, Friedel is the more effective starting keeping with the current roster

So, the real question is, "Who is the keeper Spurs need to bring in to make the team better?" I am not convinced Lloris is the best choice to improve the team -- WHO do you all is available to improve Spurs starting 11 (in goal) as a top keeper?

Does anyone know who the nest van der saar is?

You mean...there's a nest of van der Saar's? Can't we just steal a few eggs?

On a more serious note. I know this is a going to be seem as a stereotypical prejudice, but I fear all continental 'keepers coming to English football for their ability (or not, to be more pertinent) to deal with major adjustments, like the way they deal with crosses. I said the same about de Gea last Summer, when the general concensus was that he was the next great thing. The notable feature of van der Saar was that he had already proven his ability in the EPL before United bought him. So, if I had to make a choice I would prefer it to be from within British football (or, maybe, Scandinavian - they seem to have less trouble adjusting). And within the EPL/British football, I believe the standout young candidate is Tim Krul. I felt it when I saw him come on for his debut as a fresh faced kiddie against the Goons, that here was a star in the making. Nothing, so far, has made me believe that is wrong. Not easy to prise him away from Newcastle, to be fair.

Like B-C, I spent many a Saturday afternoon and Wednesday evening watching Ray "Keep 'Em Out" Clemence on cold, wet, terraces.

Clemence was very good, but certainly made his share of absolute howlers.

As a shot stopper, Clemence was not as good as Gomes. Nor was he as good at coming for crosses.

Oh, and for those who keep spelling it "Parkes", our goalkeeping coach is Tony Parks, and I will always remember his match-winning penalty save in the 1984 UEFA Cup Final.

Why was he on the terraces? There you have it - it is no wonder he made some howlers if he was stood on the terraces rather than on his goal line