Gomes

[Chapel Hill Hotspur]

Harry didn't play him because he's shit.

Nice guy, though.

 

[camaj]

2) Think we just disagree on this, as I don't think it was one of his more bizarre decisions.

Are we talking about freezing Gomes out? Maybe bizarre is the wrong word but you don't do that to the player of the season. Drop him by all means but act like he doesn't exist? That's bizarre.

Yes it'll be a fresh start for ol' JJ too. He's had 2 fresh starts, I think it's safe to say that he really is that bad

What the actual fuck does any of that mean though?

I hope to god, like all the gods, and Zeus, that you are not talking about Roman Pavlyuchenko and Giovani Dos Santos.

I'm talking about 4 players and none of them was our Mexican mistake.

 

[StartingPrice]

1) Are we talking about freezing Gomes out? Maybe bizarre is the wrong word but you don't do that to the player of the season. Drop him by all means but act like he doesn't exist? That's bizarre.

Yes it'll be a fresh start for ol' JJ too. He's had 2 fresh starts, I think it's safe to say that he really is that bad



2) I'm talking about 4 players and none of them was our Mexican mistake.

1) Gomes was excellent in the season we qualified for CL. In the season we actually played in the CL (season before last) the old, familiar unforced errors crept back into the game.
I'm not defending Mr Redknapp on this, because he has a rep for focussing his man management on the players who are part of his plans, so, if he had had enough of Gomes he probably did leave him to rot, and that is poor man management, in my book. But Gomes did give him cause to look for an alternative in the season before last.

2) Mexican Mistake, maybe a tad harsh - how about Mexican Folly

 

[JimmyG2]

1) Gomes was excellent in the season we qualified for CL. In the season we actually played in the CL (season before last) the old, familiar unforced errors crept back into the game.
I'm not defending Mr Redknapp on this, because he has a rep for focussing his man management on the players who are part of his plans, so, if he had had enough of Gomes he probably did leave him to rot, and that is poor man management, in my book. But Gomes did give him cause to look for an alternative in the season before last.

2) Mexican Mistake, maybe a tad harsh - how about Mexican Folly

One man's shit is another man's fertiliser.
Freezing or ignoring or allowing any player to rot is just plain bad management of man and resources
by Harry and/or Levy.
£10 million minimum in resale value . Wouldn't happen at Tesco's.

 

[Robbiepope]

Just spoke to Tony Adams and he still thinks his the best goalie in the world. ITK.

 

[michaelden]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/7829090/Gomes-Things-have-changed

Heurelho Gomes admits his situation at Tottenham Hotspur has changed following Harry Redknapp's departure after previously being 'desperate' to leave.
The Brazilian goalkeeper was replaced as Spurs' first choice byBrad Friedel

last season and he did not make a Premier League appearance during the 2011/12 campaign.
He was linked with a return to former club PSV Eindhoven

and the 31-year-old was ready to end his four-year spell at White Hart Lane.
However, after Redknapp left his position as manager last week,Gomes

is waiting to see what develops regarding his future.
"It was a very hard season, I was desperate to leave," Gomes told Arena Sportv. "Now things have changed as the manager left last week."
Brazil aim

Gomes remains keen to force his way back into the Brazil national team, but accepts he needs to be playing regular first-team football to fulfil his aim.
He added: "I want to return to the national team but I have to play first.
"Once I'm playing again, my focus will be on returning to the national team. I know how good it is to be there.
"Of course, they are rejuvenating the national team, but I'm only 31, which is a good age. I'll do very well this season."

 

[kazzah9]

Let's just see how he gets on in pre-season, he might do well. If he does do well it should help with a transfer.

 

[Eric_s]

Glad Gomes wants to fight for a starting place at our club. Dismiss the rumour about him throwing his toys out when replaced by Brad. He obviously knew his has no future under Harry.

 

[gilzeantheking]

I would love to see him given another chance. Who knows under a different Manager with different ideas he may blossom.

 

[tototoner]

I stil rate him, you cannot be that good at PSV and not be a good GK

Yes consistency is the issue but that comes with confidence

 

[eddiebailey]

Now that Harry is gone, do you think the new manager would decide to keep him and put him as first choice? After all, Harry doesn't use him because he has a policy of 'piss me off and you never play again'.

What's with 'piss me off and you never play again'? Compared to the likes of Graham, Hoddle and Ramos, who really did adopt that approach, Harry was a model of inclusivity and made use of all the players at the club - how many last chances did Pavyluchenko get? Harry just did not make use of players if he had better ones available. Even Gomes got game time last season, alternating with Cudicini in cup games. Harry had the option of not playing him at all - he didn't take it.

Actually Harry spoke very warmly of Gomes in his season round-up, implying that he had plans for him next season. We'll never know.

 

[brasil_spur]

Another major problem for a keeper like Gomes is his relationship with the back 4 (especially the two CB's) - he needs to build an understanding with them as he is a different type of keeper to most in the way he comes out for balls etc...

Having not had a continuous pair of CB's for at least 3 years now pretty much undermines any understanding he can build with them.

Gomes with his head in the right place and a manager who is willing to work with him and a stable back 4 to build an understanding with could be an awesome keeper. No doubt there'll still be the occasional fuck up, because that's the sort of keeper you get with him, but overall he has the potential to far outweigh the fuck ups with his goal saving abilities.

 

[Nocando]

Just spoke to Tony Adams and he still thinks his the best goalie in the world. ITK.

Can't beat a good old Tony Adams is a drunk joke. Never grows old.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I always thought that all Gomes needed was to work with a Sports Psychologist. He has a tons of ability but is mentally fragile.

 

[Eric_s]

What's with 'piss me off and you never play again'? Compared to the likes of Graham, Hoddle and Ramos, who really did adopt that approach, Harry was a model of inclusivity and made use of all the players at the club - how many last chances did Pavyluchenko get? Harry just did not make use of players if he had better ones available. Even Gomes got game time last season, alternating with Cudicini in cup games. Harry had the option of not playing him at all - he didn't take it.

Actually Harry spoke very warmly of Gomes in his season round-up, implying that he had plans for him next season. We'll never know.

Exactly. Thats why folks close to him call him 'doesn't bear grudges' Harry 'honest' Redknapp. He say only what he means and is as compassionate as mother teresa.

 

[hodsgod]

I always thought that all Gomes needed was to work with a Sports Psychologist. He has a tons of ability but is mentally fragile.

You may be 100% correct, I have no idea. Do we want a goalkeeper that is mentally fragile? That is one position where mental toughness is the biggest asset in my opinion.

 

[StartingPrice]

One man's shit is another man's fertiliser.
Freezing or ignoring or allowing any player to rot is just plain bad management of man and resources
by Harry and/or Levy.
£10 million minimum in resale value . Wouldn't happen at Tesco's.

I agree. Didn't think I had said anything otherwise. In fact, earlier in the discussion, I am pretty certain I said that is was an instance of 'Arry's fabled man management not extending to players who were not in his immediate plans. I also said I would love it (Keegan style) if he got another chance and took it, 'cos I lurve the big fella. In other threads I have said, often, that it is only right that an incoming manager give every one of our fringe players (even Jenas and Bentley) a fresh start, and that, obviously, includes the Octopus (indeed, I may have even said it in this thread).

 

[eddiebailey]

Exactly. Thats why folks close to him call him 'doesn't bear grudges' Harry 'honest' Redknapp. He say only what he means and is as compassionate as mother teresa.

No-one ever said Harry was honest, well apart from that jury, but to imply he is any more vindictive than the average football manager is bollocks. Graham once he transfer listed players would not even let them play for the reserves, Ramos would not let them train with the first team, any first team player who questioned Hoddle was never going to play for the club again even if the alternative was picking a one-legged reserve - or Gary Doherty.

 

[kungfugrip]

Think his ship has sailed. Capable of incredible saves, and I do mean ridiculously good saves, but makes the back four nervy (Friedel complete opposite) and made howlers of epic proportions in big, big games eg. away at Old Trafford (the Clattenburg free kick), away at Chelsea in the 4th place run in, and home to Real Madrid against Ronaldo. Shame, because his second season was very solid.

 

[theShiznit]

Sometimes it's easier to move on than to overcome people's perceptions...

Media and (some) fans would still just be waiting/looking for the blunder, and even if it comes along as regularly as the so called consistent keepers they'd still say "same old Gomes"