Grant Sacked

[C0YS]

Ten Cate already there, i think Rijkaard will be on his way to the Chavs. How he will cope with the media attention that comes with the job i don't know, got to him at the end of his Barca reign

Rijkaard must be favourate.....I wounder what the ods are on Big Sam :wink:

 

[Teofilo-Stevenson]

What exactly has Grant done wrong? Brilliant league campaign - only pipped on the very last day by a truely superb Man U side.

Took his side to the Champ league final - made the changes at halftime and brought his team right back into the game. Only lost it on the very narrowest of margins on the lottery of penalties.

This sacking is a joke - all managers can do is get thier team to finals and send them out on the pitch. He did everything right this year, just didn't have the rub of the green this time round. To sack him after Premiership runners up and Champions league runners up medals is scandalous!

 

[yanno]

I think it could also possibly be to do with the players brought in over the last 2 seasons. Wasn't Grant the Director of Football previously? Didn't Mourinho make some odd ball speech about eggs and omlette's reffering to the quality of players brought in? If you look at the players Arsenal lost and Chelsea brought in during the summer of 2004, it more than explains the reason Chelsea overtook Arsenal. Yet if you do the same with Man Utd and Chelsea since 2006, it again explains the reason the pecking order has changed again. Oh and it also backs up my theory of how limited the effect of actual coaching is at this level. Grant was a bit of a nobody and came closer to the title than Mourinho last year and came a penalty kick away from winning the CL.

Grant didn't become DoF at Chavski until July 2007. Mourinho was actually having a pop at Frankie Arnesen with those comments about the poor standard of player recruitment - which was all a bit rum.

My interpretation of l'affair chavski is that:

i) Roman was fed up with being ignored and patronised by Jose;

ii) so he poached a genuinely world-class DoF (Frankie) to give him some control over this toy that had cost him hundreds of millions of stolen roubles;

iii) Mourinho was having none of it, so he relegated Arnesen to a portacabin where he could allegedly offer brown paper bags to juveniles (aka Director of Youth Development as revealed by BBC undercover footage);

iv) Abramovich then hired a less threatening DoF, Grant. All to no avail because The Special One was destined not to survive the season....

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Van Gaal is leaving AZ having ridiculously raised expectations. This season he has been a victim of his own success having taken them so close to winning Eridivise last season.

Van Gaal and Rijkaard then, they get my vote as the two likely to be favorites, initially if nothing else...

 

[don1]

feel a bit sorry for the man done nothing really wrong but is was always going to happen hopefully the russian will get bored next season and head back were he came from
this lot would make you sick

 

[joey55]

Grant didn't become DoF at Chavski until July 2007. Mourinho was actually having a pop at Frankie Arnesen with those comments about the poor standard of player recruitment - which was all a bit rum.

My interpretation of the l'affair chavski is that:

i) Roman was fed up with being ignored and patronised by Jose;

ii) so he poached a genuinely world-class DoF (Frankie) to give him some control over this toy that had cost him hundreds of millions of stolen roubles;

iii) Mourinho was having none of it, so he relegated Arnensen to a portacabin where he could allegedly offer brown paper bags to juveniles (aka Director of Youth Development as revealed by BBC undercover footage);

iv) Abramovich then hired a less threatening DoF, Grant. All to no avail because The Special One was destined not to survive the season....

I'm pretty sure Arnesen was never Director of Football. Mourinho was having a pop at someone, but I don't think it was Arnesen. Whoever it was, they didn't do a great job. Sidwell, Pizzaro and Ben Haim were never going to bridge the quality gap. Utd added to their success with quality like Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani.

 

[KentuckyYid]

There is definitely a growing argument that it isn't a good idea to do a good job at a football club.

See I read this as meaning it's better to get fired during a contract as the manager is still paid vast sums in compensation and can then get another job in another league. Financially it's great for a manager to get fired right?

Personally I think Chavski are crazy for firing Grant who was doing a great job. There are no guarantees that whoever they replace him with will do better. In fact he'll do very well to get Chavski to two cup finals one being the CL and runners up in the PL.

Could a failed third manager (in Romans opinion) also be the catalyst for Roman walking away?ray:

 

[yanno]

I'm pretty sure Arnesen was never Director of Football. Mourinho was having a pop at someone, but I don't think it was Arnesen. Whoever it was, they didn't do a great job. Sidwell, Pizzaro and Ben Haim were never going to bridge the quality gap. Utd added to their success with quality like Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani.

Arnesen was poached as either a "sporting director" or "super scout", depending on which version you believe. Mourinho tried to keep him away from the first team, but they apparently clashed over players like Alex who had been parked at PSV.

Abramovich also has a coven of "super agents" such as Zahavi who do "deals" for his empire.

 

[joey55]

Also, in defence of Grant, look at how he suffered with injuries to key players.

Drogba last season played 2944 mins and this season 1529.
Essien 2907 mins last season and 2093 this season.
Lampard 3244 mins last season and 2010 this season.
Terry 2431 mins last season and 1898 this season.
Makekele 2275 last season and 1226 this season.
Carvalho 2641 last season and 1749 this season.

And the irony is, Mourinho complained they lost the title last season because of injuries to key players, like JT. And despite all these injuries, Grant actually came close to the title. Yet, in the sameway our board took advice from "football" people, instead of getting off their butt's and actually doing some hard work and actually analyisng what is really happening, you can be sure Chelsea have done the same.

I supsect no one on the Chelsea board is isn't the slightest bit aware of those stats I've just posted. I'd be amazed if anyone has bothered to take the time to go through all their results and seen how Grant has faired when the key players have been fit. They just listen to doubting advisors who point out tactical errors etc, but probably won't anaylze the Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool coach's those same weekends and seen how they faired tactically. It's amazing how tactics come off more often for the coach with the better players on the pitch.

 

[joey55]

Arnesen was poached as either a "sporting director" or "super scout", depending on which version you believe. Mourinho tried to keep him away from the first team, but they apparently clashed over players like Alex who had been parked at PSV.

Abramovich also has a coven of "super agents" such as Zahavi who do "deals" for his empire.

I'm pretty sure that is wrong. I think he went to Chesea as a Director of Youth football or something along those lines. I could be wrong, so I'll see what I can dig up on google.

 

[spurs]

The Chavs job is incredibly desirable. You get paid mega bucks. You get unfairly sacked and you walk away with 4 years * megabucks and with your reputation in tact.

The media had it in for Grant - since we beat them in CC. If he'd won that would we have survived?! Its nice to think we played our part in further destabilizing them.

I know they will get in a great manager. I'd guess Hiddink, but if they lose Drogba, (Lamps+Carvalho) and the new signings turn out to be another Schevencko.... they'll struggle to challenge.

Sacking Grant also has slight implications for our transfer plans, as a lot of players might wait and see who comes in. We might not have the same targets as Chavs but their clubs won't want to let them go til they get a replacement etc

 

[yanno]

I'm pretty sure that is wrong. I think he went to Chesea as a Director of Youth football or something along those lines. I could be wrong, so I'll see what I can dig up on google.

Chelsea, the Premiership champions, could start next season with a minus points total after being accused of breaching football's 'tapping-up' rules again. They have been accused of trying to recruit Frank Arnesen, Tottenham's sporting director, for a new role of 'super scout' at Stamford Bridge.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2005/jun/05/newsstory.sport

Fwiw - here's wikipedia's version:

Arnesen was photographed aboard one of Roman Abramovich's three luxury yachts on 22 June 2005 thus reinforcing Tottenham's compensation claim. Arnesen was recommended to Abramovic by Piet de Visser, in a move which was opposed by Jose Mourinho. [1] On 24 June, both clubs announced that they had reached a financial settlement, later disclosed to be £5 million but widely reported to be closer to £8 million, and Arnesen would move to Chelsea, filling in the role of head talent scout, in charge of uncovering footballing talents. The decision has been compared to that of Sol Campbell, who moved to arch-rivals Arsenal F.C. under the Bosman ruling in 2001, making him unpopular with the Tottenham fans. Arnesen has since played a key role in bringing Salomon Kalou and John Obi Mikel to Chelsea. Recently it has been reported that former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has blamed Arnesen for the lack of talented youth in the Chelsea ranks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Arnesen

 

[Archibald-CPH]

I think that Arnesen would love to have Michael Laudrup

 

[yanno]

Mourinho was explicitly bemoaning the lack of EPL-ready youngsters in his egg and melon comments, which has to be an attack primarily on Arnesen:

When discussing Chelsea’s youth team, Mourinho once said: “Young players are a little bit like melons. Only when you open and taste the melon are you 100 % sure that the melon is good. Sometimes you have beautiful melons but they don't taste very good and some other melons are a bit ugly and when you open them, the taste is fantastic." His avid interest in fruit could be a telltale sign that he’s considering setting up his own fruit retailing business. It might even be a ‘pick your own’ as Jose would relish the freedom of not having things picked for him.
http://news.uk.msn.com/what-jose-mourinho-might-do-next.aspx

'Arsenal's scouting for young players must be good, especially abroad. They bring always good young talent in. Wenger is a good coach and always the young boysbecome good players - so he has a lot of young players.

'We have only three,' Mourinho explained, turning to his own first team squad.

'Mikel, Kalou and Diarra, but the process is mainly the same. We work them, we try to improve them and we wait for the right moment for them to be in the team."
http://www.chelseafc.com/page/NewsHomePage/0,,10268~986873,00.html

 

[joey55]

This says pretty much the same thing as your articles.

"Frank Arnesen, formally sporting director at Tottenham, moved across London, in less than amicable circumstances, to become Chelsea's director of youth development and scouting and is charged with luring players who can take the club's dominance into a new era."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ma...y21.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/10/21/ixfooty.html

 

[Mullers]

I feel sorry for Grant, he didn't do much wrong. Its obvious though that he was always going to be replaced by a bigger name. Chelsea should of just named as caretaker manager.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

what idiots they are :roll:

the Chelski job is starting to look like the Real Madrid job, where no matter what you do you aint safe :wink:

 

[bomberH]

I think i hate Peter Kenyon more than Terry & Drogba. He really is an awful bloke.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Will Wenger be safe if he has another blank season ?

Is anyone safe ?

At least Grant had a 4 yr contract which will be paid up I reckon.

 

[PT]

Implosion imminent. *prays