Harry says Keane can leave...

[Legend10]

Keane's been our most important player of the last decade.

Defoe has flattered to deceive and failed to do the business his whole career. He has a lot of fanboys because he looks explosive, but he's really not effective at all, especially against good sides.

Defoe at only just 28 is in the top 20 all time Premiership scorers list with 97 goals (despite quite large chunks of inactivity) and barring injury should easily make the all time top 10 by the time his time is up and is extremely likely to pass Keane's tally in the process.

To describe a player with so many premiership goals as 'ineffective at this level' is ridiculous in the extreme!

As much as I've never been a fan of Keane I would never dream to describe him as that through is career, although that is now the case because he doesn't have the legs for this standard anymore.

Out of interest what number of strikes is required by a player to make him effective at Premiership level?

 

[Son_Of]

Keane would rip up to Dutch league if Jol decides to reunite him with Mido.

+1

he'd fill his clogs

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Flattered to deceive? Defoe is not a complete striker by a long way but he scored 24 goals last season. That's a hell of a lot, and more than Keane ever got in one season.

Well Keane got 23 in 07/08 and 22 in 06/07.

Defoe also scored nearly half of his 24 in 3 matches - against Hull, Wigan and Leeds. He's always been the quintessential flat track bully.

 

[Krafty]

About time. Four strikers does not work, when will we learn???

The signing of VdV put the final nail in keane's coffin - an intelligent link player, more productive with a wider range of players than Keane, and can be effective playing somewhere in the midfield as well (allowing us to play two 'proper' strikers as well).

I'm not saying Keane is a bad player, but he requires more game time to link up with a fellow striker, and we cannot afford to give him that game time. He has looked very ropey when he has played, not only has he lost some pace but he doesnt move as fluidily as he used to. His transfer would help both him and our club.

A good servant of the club, despite his move to Liverpool, and I'll clap him when/if he comes back to the Lane, but his time at the club is over.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Defoe at only just 28 is in the top 20 all time Premiership scorers list with 97 goals (despite quite large chunks of inactivity) and barring injury should easily make the all time top 10 by the time his time is up and is extremely likely to pass Keane's tally in the process.

To describe a player with so many premiership goals as 'ineffective at this level' is ridiculous in the extreme!

As much as I've never been a fan of Keane I would never dream to describe him as that through is career, although that is now the case because he doesn't have the legs for this standard anymore.

Out of interest what number of strikes is required by a player to make him effective at Premiership level?

I meant at top 4 level, not EPL level.

Defoe is a good, solid mid-table striker. He's not though good enough to be starting for a top 4 club with ambitions to push on.

It's no accident that when Berbs and Keane left they went to bigger clubs for huge fees, whereas Defoe's suitors were err Portsmouth (in a cut price deal).

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

About time. Four strikers does not work, when will we learn???

The signing of VdV put the final nail in keane's coffin - an intelligent link player, more productive with a wider range of players than Keane, and can be effective playing somewhere in the midfield as well (allowing us to play two 'proper' strikers as well).

I'm not saying Keane is a bad player, but he requires more game time to link up with a fellow striker, and we cannot afford to give him that game time. He has looked very ropey when he has played, not only has he lost some pace but he doesnt move as fluidily as he used to. His transfer would help both him and our club.

A good servant of the club, despite his move to Liverpool, and I'll clap him when/if he comes back to the Lane, but his time at the club is over.

4 strikers is essential if you are going to play 4-4-2.

However, now we are moving towards 4-2-3-1 then 3, or even 2 centre forwards is enough.

Tbh I'd be happy selling all 4 of our forwards and bringing in two proper #9s who can play the lone role, say Benzema and Elmander.

 

[Legend10]

I meant at top 4 level, not EPL level.

Defoe is a good, solid mid-table striker. He's not though good enough to be starting for a top 4 club with ambitions to push on.

It's no accident that when Berbs and Keane left they went to bigger clubs for huge fees, whereas Defoe's suitors were err Portsmouth (in a cut price deal).

Firstly Berbatov is in a different class to both Keane and Defoe, after that Keane went to a club who's manager never wanted him and virtually never got a game and when he did he was useless, and in what way was Defoe's deal cut price foir a player who's contract was running down?

There are plenty of pundits and fans (especially Arsenal ones) who think Defoe is exactly what Arsdenal need.

 

[gibbs131]

Yes Boris, as I stated in my Neg Rep, I am a little bemused at how you compare Keane now, to a Defoe who has just come back from long term injury.


:-D

I do worry about Spurs fans sometimes.

At least Keane has scored for us this season. Keane has been better than Defoe for the largest period of time at Spurs.

You mention injury, what about general match sharpness that Keane lacks?
At least Keano has scored a goal for us this season. Unlike Defoe. Who I think has had more games.

Keano is like Hutton. They need constant games to get them into the groove. HR is correct, Keane has just been unlucky.

In that respect, Keane can be a liability. But if he plays for most of a season, he is a superior player than Defoe. Who relies on his gifts, rather than his all round game.

I'm not sure what Defoes form has done in his past 20 Spurs games that makes you scoff and neg rep someone who thinks Keano has been hard done by.

 

[AngerManagement]

I don't think Keane has anything left in him.

I think he very much flattered to decieve himself actually during his first spell with us. He was a good player but never a great player (inspite of the odd magical moment)

I always thought Berbatov made him look a lot better than he was and thought we had mugged Liverpool when they paid through the nose for him.

I thought it was a mistake to bring him back, although at the time needs must and he did play his role in keeping us up so fair play to him.

I think his days of being up to our standard are behind him and he should be sold. Fair play, he was a solid performer during his first spell and one of our best players through very bad times, good luck to him where ever he goes but right now in a team full of strikers who are arguably not good enough for what we currently need he is the worst of them and needs to be sold while we can still actually command a fee for him.

Defoe > Keane

 

[gibbs131]

Keane's been our most important player of the last decade.

Defoe has flattered to deceive and failed to do the business his whole career. He has a lot of fanboys because he looks explosive, but he's really not effective at all, especially against good sides.

Yep. I'd go far as to say Defoe has a lot of fans because he does the biz at home quite often. I sometimes wonder if a large percentage of Spurs fans actually watch away games, or just listen on the radio, look up the result etc. Because the amount of chances he carves for himself away from home is not of a top 4 standard. He's pretty good when he does have a crack. But that is not the point. They point is he rarely has a crack because he is either offside or he makes bonehead runs into traffic.

I mean if Defoe is so amazing, why are we screaming out for a striker? Defoe and VDV should be fine right? Wrong. You all know Defoe is an average mid-table striker (which means he is a great player). He could score today and easily go on another month long barren stretch.

 

[gibbs131]

I don't think Keane has anything left in him.

I think he very much flattered to decieve himself actually during his first spell with us. He was a good player but never a great player (inspite of the odd magical moment)

I always thought Berbatov made him look a lot better than he was and thought we had mugged Liverpool when they paid through the nose for him.

I thought it was a mistake to bring him back, although at the time needs must and he did play his role in keeping us up so fair play to him.

I think his days of being up to our standard are behind him and he should be sold. Fair play, he was a solid performer during his first spell and one of our best players through very bad times, good luck to him where ever he goes but right now in a team full of strikers who are arguably not good enough for what we currently need he is the worst of them and needs to be sold while we can still actually command a fee for him.

Defoe > Keane

He is part of the reason we are where we are. When he joined, we started getting some shape, some form and some partnerships. It's not all about individual players. Which is why some of my lineups are a bit strange.

Case in point, Salty and Lee were not as gifted as BAE and Hutton. They were not as fast, not as athletic etc. But they were effective because they matched the Spurs shape.

Keane is one of these players that needs the right players around him. Defoe is one of the greediest players to pull on a Spurs shirt. Which is why a lot of his partners didn't score many in the Prem last season.

Defoe and Crouch is favoritism. It's obvious. What is this, the 4th time he's managed Crouch? And the 3rd time he's managed Defoe?

Great partnership to keep his shitty older teams up. But not any better than Keane and Pav over the course of a season if both played every game IMO.

One thing is for sure. VDV came in and showed all of them up. I'm sick of the amount of money we paid for this strikeforce. He should add every other striker to his article if he wants to be fair and balanced.

 

[gibbs131]

And what did we do in that decade? Eek

The only thing of note was last season, and his contribution was more a hindrance than help.

Apart from crawling up the table, winning a cup, getting un into Europe and getting an assload of money for him.

We almost got 4th twice with Keano.

 

[nicdic]

Gibbs are you trying to claim Defoe hasn't scored this season?

 

[gibbs131]

Gibbs are you trying to claim Defoe hasn't scored this season?

When did he score for us?

I do most of my shite off the top of my head. Young Boys?

 

[oooLedleyLedleyLedleyKing]

i like robbie keane, but if harry says hes ready to go i will believe him!! thanks robbie.

 

[nicdic]

When did he score for us?

I do most of my shite off the top of my head.

Young Boys at home.

Probably a more important game than Arsenal in the Carling Cup no?

 

[gibbs131]

Young Boys at home.

Probably a more important game than Arsenal in the Carling Cup no?

Yep.

That one goal ended his goal drought:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...o-fight-his-way-through-his-goal-drought.html

JERMAIN DEFOE last night shrugged off his goal drought and vowed: "I'll fight my way through this."
The Spurs striker pulled no punches in training as he prepared to spearhead tonight's Champions League qualifying fight against Young Boys.

Defoe has not completed a 90-minute match since February 10 against Wolves.

And he has been subbed - or started on the bench - in 16 of Tottenham's last 19 games.

The Spurs star has scored just three goals in his last 19 competitive matches.

He also needs an emergency groin operation, which will now rule him out of England's two Euro 2012 qualifiers next month.

But Defoe refuses to give in, insisting: "I'm not at all worried about my form. I keep going and at the end of the day it happens to every player.

"You're only human and there are times when you're not scoring but it's important to keep your head up and be in positions to score.

"On another day I could have scored two goals against City on the opening day of the season, which I haven't done before."

Defoe will not mind giving hit TV soap EastEnders a miss as Spurs bid to hit a £20million jackpot by reaching the Champions League group stage.

Harry Redknapp's men are 3-2 down from the first leg of their qualifier after being blown away by three Young Boys goals in the opening 28 minutes in Switzerland last week.

But they aim to pass their screen test with style in tonight's return.

Defoe, 27, said: "You don't want to be at home watching something like EastEnders - you want to be at White Hart Lane playing fantastic teams from all over Europe.

"There was a bit of banter with the lads about watching EastEnders.

"But when when you are at home on a midweek night, you think you should be playing on the Champions League stage.

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"I've got nothing against EastEnders. It's just that I'd rather be playing in the Champions League instead of sitting at home on the sofa."

Defoe hit back at suggestions Spurs are not capable of performing on the big stage following their defeat in Berne.

He rapped: "I don't understand why people say we bottle it. Who's going to bottle it? Look at the players we have.

"A lot were at the World Cup and those who weren't are full internationals.

"It's a massive game, how can you not be up for it?

"People can talk. You can say anything you want but we have great players and we have to go out there and perform."

Redknapp hopes Defoe will get a few goals under his belt before his op.

The Spurs boss said: "Yeah, Jermain has dried up. I think this might be the night for him to come back with a bang and start scoring a few.

"I am not worried about him. I don't want to pile pressure on him about his run. He scores goals whenever he trains."

Spurs certainly need goals tonight and Redknapp roared: "We've got to swarm all over them from the start.

"Our pride is at stake and we want to get into the Champions League proper.

"The place will be jumping and that will be a big thing in our favour.

"I wouldn't say Tottenham are favourites. But the bottom line is if we can't win, we don't deserve to be in the competition.

"Spurs have got to win - draw and we are out."

Redknapp also insisted hitman Peter Crouch is not leaving the club. He said: "Crouchie is not for sale at any price."




So if that article is correct, that is 4 goals in his last 21 competitive games? That can't be right can it?

 

[gibbs131]

I just googled his goal and it came flooding back. That is the handball one. hehe. Sneaky sneaky.

Lets really look at Defoe. What teams has he scored against last season in the Prem? And which were at home?

 

[nicdic]

Everyone knows we need a new striker. No one thinks Defoe is the answer. Anyone in their right mind knows that Keane is not good enough for the squad, but Defoe is. It doesn't need to be a debate about Keane and Defoe. Both are good players, though neither the top striker we need. At present Keane is past it, and Defoe still has lots to offer.

 

[AngerManagement]

He is part of the reason we are where we are. When he joined, we started getting some shape, some form and some partnerships. It's not all about individual players. Which is why some of my lineups are a bit strange.

Case in point, Salty and Lee were not as gifted as BAE and Hutton. They were not as fast, not as athletic etc. But they were effective because they matched the Spurs shape.

Keane is one of these players that needs the right players around him. Defoe is one of the greediest players to pull on a Spurs shirt. Which is why a lot of his partners didn't score many in the Prem last season.

Defoe and Crouch is favoritism. It's obvious. What is this, the 4th time he's managed Crouch? And the 3rd time he's managed Defoe?

Great partnership to keep his shitty older teams up. But not any better than Keane and Pav over the course of a season if both played every game IMO.

One thing is for sure. VDV came in and showed all of them up. I'm sick of the amount of money we paid for this strikeforce. He should add every other striker to his article if he wants to be fair and balanced.

I said in my post during his first spell at the club he was on of our best players, so what? that is history now and he is not the same player he was then by any stretch.

I always thought he was some what over rated, under rated at first (when he was sidelined behind defoe but thought his way back into the team with excellent form) but then very over rated during his time playing with both Mido and Berbatov, he was good striker yes but never a great one in my opinion and we got way more from Liverpool then he was worth I feel.

He has lost a yard of pace and has not been able to adapt his game in the same way Shearer did when he lost his speed after injury.

I don't feel Keane is up to standard anymore, right now he is our worst striker and there is a reason Harry is prepared to let him go now and loaned him to Celtic this time last year (remember he sees him in training every day)

What evidence is there to suggest Keane can still do a job NOW? he looked ok against Arsenal, well he scored but mostly because the keeper let him his frankly less than clinical effort.

What he did in the past for the club is all well and good, but it has no relevance in the here and now unless he can still produce the goods NOW, which I really don't think he can. If it was based on what players used to be like in the club we could just see if Greaves wants a game....I hear he was amazing for us in past seasons (but like Keane he is no longer up to the standard we need)

The best thing for both Keane and us is for him to be sold so he can go finish his career by playing week in week out and we can still command some type of fee for him and use it to replace him with someone who can actually benefit us as a club.

We are woefully weak upfront, none of our strikers are really up to scratch although Defoe on form is the closest we have and Crouch is a useful option to have up our sleeves.

Keane, GDS and all the other dead wood or players that are no longer willing to fight for a place (Niko K) should be sold to make space for fresh blood who can improve the quality of our first team and create better depth and competition for places in our squad.

I stand by my statement that in 2010/11 and the seasons that follow in the EPL Defoe > Keane by a big margin now as Keane is no longer a top teir premier league striker.