Harry to go in summer?

[brasil_spur]

Sacked because we didn't sign a player? It's like people have given up and are resigned to the fact that we have no chance to win football games. Which really is what it is all about, not transfer signings.

That's not what we're talking about here IOMLS.

The point is that clearly this season was going to be harder than last with City's improvements. With the chance to push on and actually get some quality players in now that we have CL football it seems that we have decided to keep the squad that narrowly secured us 4th last season, against a City team who have spent crazy money since.

Add to that Liverpool buying two players in the one position we really need to strengthen and things are looking less than rosey compared with 12 months ago.

Half a cup run is not a fair comparison to the consistant improvement we've had under Harry, its not perfect but its as good as its been for some time.

We won the CC ffs!!! We we look back at this period in 20 years time we will see in the record books that we won a trophy under Ramos. It wasn't a major achievement, but also remember that the start to that season under Jol was nearly as bad as Ramos' start before Harry.

 

[KingKay]

I posted this in another thread but applies here aswell.

Im seriously embarrassed to be a spurs supporter sometimes. We really do have some of the most fickle fans in the league. We’re 5th not bloody 15th! I think one of our main problems as a club is the massive weight of expectation from an idiotic core of fans who turn tail and cry for some ones head at the first sign of weakness. Just please have a good look at yourselves as I really cant be arsed with all this knee-jerk, toys out the pram, negativity.

Here’s the definition of support for some of you that clearly don’t understand:

SUPPORT
1.
to bear or hold up (a load, </SPAN>mass, structure, part, etc.); serve as a foundation for. </SPAN>
2.
to sustain or withstand (weight, pressure, strain, etc.) without giving way; serve as a prop for.
3.
to undergo or endure, esp. with patience or submission; tolerate.
4.
to sustain (a person, the minds spirits, courage, etc.) under trial or affliction: They supported him throughout his ordeal.
5.
to maintain (a person, family, establishment, institution, etc.) by supplying with things necessary to existence; provide for: to support a family.

 

[Leo]

It stinks of that pre-emptive 'I've got something against Harry before he even took the job so I will never fully back him' bull-shit right now in this forum.

Just let the man do his job. Has it really gone badly enough for people to be saying we should be reviewing his position at the end of the season?

We have objectives, to remain in the top four being the priority. We can still do that. We are still in the mix. Massively.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I posted this in another thread but applies here aswell.

Im seriously embarrassed to be a spurs supporter sometimes. We really do have some of the most fickle fans in the league. We’re 5th not bloody 15th! I think one of our main problems as a club is the massive weight of expectation from an idiotic core of fans who turn tail and cry for some ones head at the first sign of weakness. Just please have a good look at yourselves as I really cant be arsed with all this knee-jerk, toys out the pram, negativity.

Here’s the definition of support for some of you that clearly don’t understand:

You obviously can be bothered as you not only replied, but also took the time out of your day to post a dictionary definition.

 

[coldasice199]

If we can get Jose in I'll say yes.

Otherwise, Are you mad. Harry's a great manager.

 

[brasil_spur]

We have objectives, to remain in the top four being the priority. We can still do that. We are still in the mix. Massively.

If you truly believe that then good on you. I just can't see how against City (now with Dzeko who has landed on his feet already) and Chelsea (now with Torres and Luiz) we have any real chance of finishing top 4.

Even if Defoe and Crouch went on their biggest ever goalscoring runs i think it would be a tough call.

What is most annoying to me is that for years and years we have complained that players wont come to us because we don't have CL. Then when we get CL we sign only one player like this - VDV.

We spend an absolute fortune trying to get CL, but when we get there we don't splash some cash to retain it - just seems like a strange policy to me.

 

[brasil_spur]

Just please have a good look at yourselves as I really cant be arsed with all this knee-jerk, toys out the pram, negativity.

Just please have a good look at this thread before posting because i really can't be arsed with all these posts where people read the title and nothing else.

 

[monkeynick]

We won the CC ffs!!! We we look back at this period in 20 years time we will see in the record books that we won a trophy under Ramos. It wasn't a major achievement, but also remember that the start to that season under Jol was nearly as bad as Ramos' start before Harry.[/quote]


We did win it but some of those games were played under Jol if memory serves...
So we actually played only a handful of decent games under Wendy, granted the Arsenal and Chelsea ones were superb.
Other than a draw with Man utd I cannot recall any league performances that compare with some we've had under Harry and again the consistency is on another level all together.

 

[AngerManagement]

We made fourth by the skin of our teeth last year and since then City have spent millions to reinforce we we have basically kept the squad that got us where we are.

Add to that having to juggle a first ever CL campaign and I would say 5th is par for the course, although anything less than fourth would set us back in real terms.

 

[brasil_spur]

We did win it but some of those games were played under Jol if memory serves...
So we actually played only a handful of decent games under Wendy, granted the Arsenal and Chelsea ones were superb.
Other than a draw with Man utd I cannot recall any league performances that compare with some we've had under Harry and again the consistency is on another level all together.[/quote]

A few early round games under Jol yes, but it was under Ramos where we won an amazing final against Chelsea.

The league performances weren't as good, but we were facing relegation when Ramos took over from Jol. Ramos got us back up the league and into Europe again.

Then in the space of a few months it went tits up, culminating in us selling Keane and Berbatov (our two best players of that season).

To me we are in a similar position right now under Harry.

I truly hope and believe it won't go this way with Harry, but we haven't helped the situation any with this window - yet the funds were there and we have CL to attract players.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

That's not what we're talking about here IOMLS.

The point is that clearly this season was going to be harder than last with City's improvements. With the chance to push on and actually get some quality players in now that we have CL football it seems that we have decided to keep the squad that narrowly secured us 4th last season, against a City team who have spent crazy money since.

Add to that Liverpool buying two players in the one position we really need to strengthen and things are looking less than rosey compared with 12 months ago.

What are we talking about then brasil_spur? You might not have said it straight out but you have at least leant towards the fact that we aren't going to make it. Having a settled squad can be just as effective as buying some new 'quality players'. There is no way that we can say that we can't catch Chelsea just because they spent £50m. Especially when that £50m is on a guy who is more than likely to break down.

Liverpool have spent £35m on a guy who likely won't play until April and that is to replace there talismanic striker who the Liverpool 'faithful' absolutely worshipped. In the meantime they will replace Torres with Suarez but haven't addressed that the rest of the team is pretty shocking. They've tried to appease the fans with marquee signings but I am not sure they are a stronger team for it, certainly not in the short term. I think people are getting worried simply because of the money spent rather than looking at the situation.

Some are even mentioning us slumping towards mid-table because we didn't sign anyone which doesn't make any sense to me. We're in 5th despite our strikers not scoring. Imagine what will happen if they do, because they can't do worse than in the first half and now that the distraction of the window is over I think they will pick up significantly.

 

[KingKay]

Just please have a good look at this thread before posting because i really can't be arsed with all these posts where people read the title and nothing else.

My rant wasn't aimed at the original post. Im just venting my anger that people feel the need to criticise the management of the club.

 

[Spirit58]

I'm a little woried about both Harry and Levy to be honest.

Firstly Harry, as widely reported by several ITK's that he couldn't make his mind up regarding his targets and appeared to be totally disinterested on the final day. How many big name, big money stars has Harry ever had the privilage of managing before in his career? meaning those bought in and not any he's sold for extortionate amounts. Could this possiblly be that he is worried that he'll be a little out of his depth and is worried that he'll be unable to manage their over inflated ego's?

On to Levy, although I admire the way he has controlled the clubs finances and keeps us secure and out of debt I'm concerned about the way he handles transfer deals. Obviously I don't know the details first hand before anyone jumps down my throat but on more than one occasion this window Ive heard journo's interviewed who have said that other directors have mentioned to them that our Daniel is the most difficult man that they have ever tried to negotiate with, the only name I remember was Sir Alan Sugar, all said he drove a very hard bargain and the Journo's cited that as a reason why many European clubs don't want to do business with him.

So no I don't think Harry's inability to identify targets as a good enough reason for him to go in the summer but I do think the whole system needs a rethink.

 

[NEVILLEB]

We're not in the relegation zone

Harry is fine

 

[dimiSpur]

When we complete a barren spell of 8 games taking only 2 points, then Harry might feel under pressure, until such time, why even speculate about finishing 7th. If my grandmother had bollocks she'd be my grandad and all.... :roll:

 

[brasil_spur]

Having a settled squad can be just as effective as buying some new 'quality players'.

Agreed but our strikers have been piss poor at leas half a season. VDV and Bale have kept us afloat until now. We clearly needed a striker this window (and last and truth be told ever since Berbatov left) but yet we failed to address this, despite quality players being available.

There is no way that we can say that we can't catch Chelsea just because they spent £50m. Especially when that £50m is on a guy who is more than likely to break down.

Chelsea have been in a slump. They have also signed a quality CB, which is part of the reason for their current slump.

Liverpool have spent £35m on a guy who likely won't play until April and that is to replace there talismanic striker who the Liverpool 'faithful' absolutely worshipped. In the meantime they will replace Torres with Suarez but haven't addressed that the rest of the team is pretty shocking. They've tried to appease the fans with marquee signings but I am not sure they are a stronger team for it, certainly not in the short term. I think people are getting worried simply because of the money spent rather than looking at the situation.

Yes it is that they spent money that annoys me, actually it's not, it's that they signed two players in the position where we desperately need one.

Some are even mentioning us slumping towards mid-table because we didn't sign anyone which doesn't make any sense to me. We're in 5th despite our strikers not scoring. Imagine what will happen if they do, because they can't do worse than in the first half and now that the distraction of the window is over I think they will pick up significantly.

A mid table slump is not likely IMO. But in the same vein as our strikers possibly gaining form, what happens if Bale and VDV start to lose some form (actually i'd say Bale has lost some form the last few appearances for us) - where will our goals then come from? We are very reliant on two non-strikers for our goals and this is worrying.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Harry now getting compared to Ramos.

I fucking love you spurs.

Arsenal haven't won fuck all for 5 years, yet Wenger gets nothing but support.
Moyes is still Everton boss despite them finishing 4th a few years ago and declining rapidly since then.

We've had a bad TRANSFER WINDOW, and we're questioning the boss.

We're ****s arent we. Let's be honest.

 

[Zammo]

I think I'm going to give this forum a miss for a while. It's full of crazy negative people.

 

[brasil_spur]

When we complete a barren spell of 8 games taking only 2 points, then Harry might feel under pressure, until such time, why even speculate about finishing 7th. If my grandmother had bollocks she'd be my grandad and all.... :roll:

yeh but you grandmother isn't two pl games away from having some bollocks is she?

In terms of barren spells - it has now been 8 games since any of our strikers has scored a goal.

 

[antiloqus]

Shaft?

yeah, right on.