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[nav007_2000]

How about getting Martin Jol back? Wasn't given the transfer freedom and Camolli was the cock that got him sacked.

 

[EastLondonYid]

How about getting Martin Jol back? Wasn't given the transfer freedom and Camolli was the cock that got him sacked.

Yeah great idea, and chrissy H as his side kick......exciting new era that would be

 

[Real_madyidd]

How about "get fucked" as a reply?

 

[cookiemonster]

Benitez is alright

But I would prefer Capello

His club record is superb and he would have the resprct of the players

 

[Montasura]

How about getting Martin Jol back? Wasn't given the transfer freedom and Camolli was the cock that got him sacked.

We've moved too far on. As much as I loved him, he has his limitations and had taken us as far as he could have. We need to be looking forwards, not back over our shoulder.

 

[jedimonkey]

Benitez is magic.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vtjf4SWr2E

FACT.

But I don't want him at Spurs.

FACT.

 

[RJ1882]

I remember too much of his last couple of years when he was a complete shambles. His signings got worse, his tactics got worse. He is a complete weirdo, awful with the media. I couldn't cope with his one word answers to every question in a press conference.

For me, its either a big name European coach, or Brendan Rodgers, who impresses me everytime I listen to him. There is just something there when he is talking about football that makes me think I want him (as spurs manager)

 

[nailsy]

Benitez is a decent manager but he lost the plot towards the end of his spell at Liverpool. He wouldn't be my choice of manager but if he was appointed I wouldn't be too disappointed. I think most people dislike him because of his media rep rather than his managerial ability. I think his comments to the media recently clearly indicate that he wants the job.

I don't think we should give him too much credit for bringing in Spanish players to Liverpool. They were players from his home league and any manager should be able to identify the best players from their home league. And we were after Torres as well - he wasn't exactly an unknown.

 

[brasil_spur]

Benitez - very much on the fence, but i think he's on a par with us keeping Redknapp as an option for me.

 

[Kingstheman]

I'd rather we had kept Jol or backed Ramos than bring in Benitez.

 

[$hoguN]

We should get Benitez, why? He wins trophies. I'm sick of us winning **** all. Benitez is a clever manager tactically and wins one off cup games with superior tactics, superb at Valencia and 2 cl finals and an fa cup at pool. Inter lets write that off.

I believe he would win us a trophy in his first season if given another chance . He would also be easy to appoint and has great English.

His signings were pretty poor at times but he still got reina,Torres ,agger,alonso and wanted the likes of villa and alves before they were hot property. He won a cl with a nothing squad.

In my opinion he is what we need he knows the English game and will have learnt in his time off. Thoughts?

 

[stemark44]

Sorry but its a big NO from me as well,can't stand the man.

 

[$hoguN]

How about getting Martin Jol back? Wasn't given the transfer freedom and Camolli was the cock that got him sacked.

 

[dav3j]

I suppose he'll come in handy if we're trying to find a priest in a mountain of sugar, or whatever that bitter load of bollocks he was spouting about Hodgson was.

 

[StartingPrice]

There are choices out there...but Benitez...FFS.

This has been done over and again in the 'New Manager' threads (yeah, all of them), but I suppose it was inevitable that someone would (dis)grace it with it's own thread. My answer remains exaclty the same, and, as of so far, no one has convinced me otherwise:

He fecked of Alonso in the hope of buying Barry. Not he wanted to replace Alonso with Barry but he fecked off Alsonso in the hopeof buying Barry. If he had waited until he hasd the deal wrapped up, or at least handledthe courtship with a bit of grace...but he didn't. Alonso specifically stated that he was leaving the next season because of the way Benitez handled this - that would be like 'Arry publicly saying, last Summer, that he wanted to sell VDV to raise funds for Parker (though, I would say, Parker is better than Barry), and then didn't get him, so that, this Summer, 'Arry begged VDV to stay and he said "no, because of the way you publicly tried to sell me to get Parker in." How would you feel about that?

Also, I personally, live, watched him bringing off a striker so that he could bring on a defensive midfielder in a game they were behind in and badly needed to win.

I would rather douse my naked body in live fire-ants, whilst singing a medley of Al Jolson songs

 

[Stavrogin]

I suppose he'll come in handy if we're trying to find a priest in a mountain of sugar, or whatever that bitter load of bollocks he was spouting about Hodgson was.

There's no chance Benitez would survive here. He'd go insane.

I'm not sure Mourinho would survive either. He reacted badly to refereeing incidents at Chelsea and Madrid - If he had to endure what's happened to us over the last few years then he'd be perpetually banned, fined or jerking it in san diego.

 

[Toela65]

Not one mention of the civil war and ownership issue/disaster he had to work under, especially in his last year when Christian Purslow who was brought in as MD with a MO to destroy him. How he didn't have a break down working under those conditions I still don't know.

Also, his net spend wasn't outrageous and all the signings he got wrong (e.g Keane) besides Aqualani he got most of, if not all the money back outlayed and bombed them out as soon as it was obvious they were a wrong fit unlike other Pool Managers who would rather save face by trying to shoe-horn £35m and £20m signings into a side they obviously don't fit in or belong in, in a desperate attempt to prove themselves right all along. He also made a profit on nearly every player he sold on, even shit ones like Sebastien Leto and Mark Gonzalez.

I also love this myth that Liverpool had unlimited money for Rafa to spunk in the transfer windows. In his last 4 or 5 windows he made a profit net-spend wise coz he had to to keep the club a float. After the Mascherano purchase in Jan 2007 he never really made 'big' one of single signings again.

But what about Glen Johnson (£18m) and Aqualani (£20m)? he spunked a shit load there! One thing that is NEVER mentioned about these two signings is what clubs these players were purchased from, Portsmouth and Roma respectively. The only reason at all these 2 players were bought was becuase we had 'credit' at those 2 clubs (£10m P'mouth owed for Crouch and Roma owed £6-7m for Riise). So Johnson 'cost' about £8-9m and Aqualani £13-14m. If these players played for different clubs were there was no money owed they wouldn't have been signed and that info is straight from the horses mouth.

Rafa had to wheel and deal his way through his time at Liverpool most of the time never getting his first choice player and continually having deals destroyed by MD Rick Parry. Off the top of my head here are the deals that have been proven to be cocked up by Parry when said player was ready to sign on dotted line:
-Alves
-Simao
-Fake Ronaldo
-Villa
-Silva
-Mata
-Bought Keane even though Rafa told him he only wanted Keane if Barry was bought first but Parry ignored him.
-Aguero (when he was still in Argentina and with to A. Madrid - self confessed LFC fan but Parry wouldn't/couldn't pay fee).

The only time he got his first choice of player coz it could be afforded was when Hicks+Gillet first bought the club took out £100m loan for players and let him get Torres.

Yet despite having the net money to spend and having to sell to buy for nearly his whole time there and including having to make a profit in his last few windows to pay interest accrued on the clubs debt and being caught in the middle of a civil war at the club and an ownership that saw LFC hours away from administration he had LFC in the top 4 nearly every year.

It just astounds me how even to this day people believe all the propaganda that was put out in the media becuase they hated him. Its always about the money spent and not about the money he got back in, its always about Aqualani and Keane but never any mention to the mitigatin circumstances that led to those buys, its always about his 'negative' football but never a mention of running Man u close in 2009 battering them 4-1 at OT and finishing the highest scoring team in the whole league. Doe's anyone remember his Valencia team? The one that was the only team to breakup the Barca/Real monoply without spending much money. They played football almost as good as Barca do now. Its always one sided clap-trap.

If people take their time to go out and look up the truth about Rafas career themselves like the OP has obviously done, rather than believing the the lies spread about by a xenophobic media who hate foreign managers, you would see he is one of the most dedicated, knowledgeable and tactically astute Managers out there and if Spurs took him on you would be in the top 4 every single year without a shadow of a doubt and could possibly even win the league. He has the tactical beating of every Manager in the Prem and is the only one I've seen to get one over on Fergie tactically and basically tell all the other Managers in the league how to beat Utd (which Fulham then did and Villa almost too). Why do you thik Fergie hated him so much? Coz he knew he had his number and if Rafa had Fergie's spending and wage power Utd were in trouble.

He won 2 trophies at Inter and wasn't allowed to spend any money and was then absolutely crippled by injuries to all his best players which led to him having to play some of their ressies/kids (who are now certified first teamers some of them now btw).

Go and look at what he was won. Not just with Liverpool but with Valencia and his teams before that. Look at Liverpool now and the Rafa period looks like a golden era.

I'm not Rafa's biggest fan and he has his faults as we all do but I get angry when I read all this media driven mis-information which just isn't true just please read around a little. Here's a start and I know its from a LFC fan but thats the only time the other side of the Rafa arguments ever gets put forward unfortunately:

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/some-rafa-benitez-facts-and-record/

 

[$hoguN]

Spoiler

Not one mention of the civil war and ownership issue/disaster he had to work under, especially in his last year when Christian Purslow who was brought in as MD with a MO to destroy him. How he didn't have a break down workin under those conditions I still don't know.

Also, his net spend wasn't outrageous and all the signings he got wrong (e.g Keane) besides Aqualani he got most if not all the money back outlayed and bombed them out as soon as it was obvious they were a wrong fit unlike other Pool Managers who would rather save face by trying to shoe-horn £35m and £20m signings into a side they obviously don't fit in or belong in in a desperate attempt to prove themselves right all along.

I also love this myth that Liverpool had unlimited money for Rafa to spunk in the transfer windows. In his last 4 or 5 windows he made a profit net-spend wise in everyone. After the Mascherano purchase in Jan 2007 he never really made 'big' one of single signing again.

But what about Glen Johnson (£18m) and Aqualani (£20m)? he spunked a shit load there! One thing that is NEVER mentioned about these two signings is what clubs these players were purchased from, Portsmouth and Roma respectively. The only reason at all these 2 players were bought was becuase we had 'credit' at those 2 clubs (£10m they P'mouth owed for Crouch and Roma owed £6-7m for Riise). So Johnson 'cost' about £8-9m and Aqualani £13-14m. If these players played for different clubs were there was no money owed they wouldn't have been signed and that info is straight from the horses mouth.

Rafa had to wheel and deal his way through his time at Liverpool most of the time never getting his first choice player and continually having deals destroyed by MD Rick Parry. Off the top of my head here are the deals that have been proven to be cocked up by Parry when said player was ready to sign on dotted line:
-Alves
-Simao
-Fake Ronaldo
-Villa
-Silva
-Mata
-Bought Keane even though Rafa told him he only wanted Keane if Barry was bought first but Parry ignored him.
-Aguero (when he was still in Argentina and with to A. Madrid - self confessed LFC fan but Parry wouldn't/couldn't pay fee).

The only time he got his first choice of player was when Hicks+Gillet first bought the club took out £100m loan for players and let him get Torres.

Yet despite having the net money to spend and having to sell to buy for nearly his whole time there and including having to make a profit in his last few windows to pay interest accrued on the clubs debt and being caught in the middle of a civil war at the club and an ownership that saw LFC hours away from administration he had LFC in the top 4 nearly every year.

It just astounds me how even to this day people believe all the propaganda that was put out in the media becuase they hated him. Its always about the money spent and not about the money he got back in, its always about Aqualani and Keane but never any mention to the mitigatin circumstances that led to those buys, its always about his 'negative' football but never a mention of running Man u close in 2009 battering them 4-1 at OT and finishing the highest scoring team in the whole league. Doe's anyone remember his Valencia team? The one that was the only team to breakup the Barca/Real monoply without spending much money. They played football almost as good as Barca do now. Its always one sided clap-trap.

If people take their time to go out and look up the truth about Rafas career themselves like the OP has obviously done, rather than believing the the lies spread about by a xenophobic media who hate foreign managers, you would see he is one of the most dedicated, knowledgeable and tactically astute Managers out there and if Spurs took him on you would be in the top 4 every single year without a shadow of a doubt and could possibly even win the league. He has the tactical beating of every Manager in the Prem and is the only one I've seen to get one over on Fergie tactically and basically tell all the other Managers in the league how to beat Utd (which Fulham then did and Villa almost too). Why do you thik Fergie hated him so much? Coz he knew he had his number and if Rafa had Fergie's spending and wage power Utd were in trouble.

He won 2 trophies at Inter and wasn't allowed to spend any money and was then absolutely crippled by injuries to all his best players which led to him having to play some of their ressies/kids (who are now certified first teamers some of them now btw).

Go and look at what he was won. Not just with Liverpool but with Valencia and his teams before that. Look at Liverpool now and the Rafa period looks like a golden era.

I'm not Rafa's biggest fan and he has his faults as we all do but I get angry when I read all this media driven mis-information which just isn't true just please read around a little. Here's a start and I know its from a LFC fan but thats the only time the other side of the Rafa arguments ever gets put forward unfortunately:

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/some-rafa-benitez-facts-and-record/

Wasn't there one CEO/MD/bascially a guy working in a sort of transfer negotiator's role like Kenyon at Chelsea, who all Rafa's best signings were made under and than it all went a bit downhill after he was given full control if I remember rightly. I just can't remember the guys name right now.

 

[Toela65]

Wasn't there one CEO/MD/bascially a guy working in a sort of transfer negotiator's role like Kenyon at Chelsea, who all Rafa's best signings were made under and than it all went a bit downhill after he was given full control if I remember rightly. I just can't remember the guys name right now.

No mate. It was the exact opposite. When Rafa first arrived in 2004 LFC's Chief Exec was Rick Parry. Rafa picked the players and Parry, supposedly, did the deals. However, time after time (not just under Rafa under Houllier too) Parry and his comical ties would cock the deals up by wither taking too long, not acting quick enough, being too stingy over a mill, half a mill or a combination of all.

There is a famous story of Parry going on holiday to Barbados and switching his Phone off for the duration and around 3 big deals collapsing because of it.

Remember Gerrard nearly going to Chavs in 2005? That was all down to Parry too. Gerrard wanted to sign his contract straight after Instanbul but Parry thought there was "no rush" and delayed till after his "holidays". Sulky, needy Stevie took it the wrong way, thought Parry wanted the £32mil for him and banged a transfer request in.

Rafa wanted overall control because he was fed up with Parry messing deals up. In the end he got it, but by this time there was no money left due to the debt so it didn't really matter. Then came the "Fernando Torres of the Finance world" Christian Purslow who ballsed things up to a new level. The less said about him the better I think.

Things worked best when Rafa was responsible though as things actually got done.

 

[mattyspurs]

There are choices out there...but Benitez...FFS.

This has been done over and again in the 'New Manager' threads (yeah, all of them), but I suppose it was inevitable that someone would (dis)grace it with it's own thread. My answer remains exaclty the same, and, as of so far, no one has convinced me otherwise:

He fecked of Alonso in the hope of buying Barry. Not he wanted to replace Alonso with Barry but he fecked off Alsonso in the hopeof buying Barry. If he had waited until he hasd the deal wrapped up, or at least handledthe courtship with a bit of grace...but he didn't. Alonso specifically stated that he was leaving the next season because of the way Benitez handled this - that would be like 'Arry publicly saying, last Summer, that he wanted to sell VDV to raise funds for Parker (though, I would say, Parker is better than Barry), and then didn't get him, so that, this Summer, 'Arry begged VDV to stay and he said "no, because of the way you publicly tried to sell me to get Parker in." How would you feel about that?

Also, I personally, live, watched him bringing off a striker so that he could bring on a defensive midfielder in a game they were behind in and badly needed to win.

I would rather douse my naked body in live fire-ants, whilst singing a medley of Al Jolson songs

Hmmmm, would that be like a manager taking off your star player in an FA Cup semi final whilst bringing on a striker who offers nothing except making gaps in the midfield.?

Not quite the same, but strangely similar