High line!

[Legend10]

What?

Haha predictive text strikes again!

Should have said cost us twice!

 

[Wardy]

The highline works abroad, but in the premiership you are facing many fast opposing players

 

[NeverRed]

The high-line may stop us from sucking in the opposition deep and exposing the space provided by their over-commitment forwards and putting them the back-foot with our counter-attacking pace. It's a "immense dimension" of play that is effective and sadly seemed unconsidered. Hence shit attacking stats.

 

[theShiznit]

The line was a lot lower than it has been in recent times.

It was set about 10 yards outside the box which doesn't seem unreasonable (ok factoring in Dawson at LCB Capoue RCB and Naughton at LB maybe it should have been even further back)

 

[raf18]

The high line simply doesn't work with the pace of the current premier league's attacking teams. Forget the Manchester teams and the likes of liverpool and chelsea but even west ham, hull etc have exposed us and more teams will continue to do so. It's a failure and the only one who can't see that is AVB.

It's so easy for opposition to read the defence and expose SPACE that we provide them on a plate. 20 shots on target for Liverpool today which shows how weak we are at the back and they got caught offside ONLY 4 times.

How can opposition get caught offside when they can have a 30 yard dash in any direction forward. So easy to read and move. It's a terrible terrible tactic and for god's sake why do we need to play a high line with so much pace and strength moving forward?

Maybe I'm just not getting it coz I seem to be really baffled here

Yet earlier in the season when we had less injuries we had the highest average shots per game and lowest average shots faced per game. You can't make a judgement on a game where we had such a makeshift defence and a central midfield consisting of Chadli and Holtby.

 

[camaj]

Good god, all 5 of them started with us being too high!

Just taking the second goal for example, if everyone had been marking the players they should have it would have been fine. Had the player marking Suarez been close to the goal, Suarez would have pushed up but he still would have had acres of space to flick it on to an unmarked player. It doesn't matter how deep you play if you leave two players unmarked like that.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think We should play a higher line from now on.

I'd go with something like:

Lloris





Sandro Dembele

Lamela Eriksen Chadli

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Rose

Soldado​

 

[Legend10]

Just taking the second goal for example, if everyone had been marking the players they should have it would have been fine. Had the player marking Suarez been close to the goal, Suarez would have pushed up but he still would have had acres of space to flick it on to an unmarked player. It doesn't matter how deep you play if you leave two players unmarked like that.

No because if you're defence is deeper then other players will accordingly also be deeper, you don't just shift the empty wide open spaces from being behind your back 4 to being in front of the back 4.

 

[SuperPav]

Main problem against Liverpool was the fact that they were brilliant, and our defence was horrible.

The first five minutes were decent, high pressure etc. The next 15 minutes was spend in our left side. Naughton looked completely clueless. High line or not, he was simply played of the pitch, and that was our main problem.

 

[Legend10]

Main problem against Liverpool was the fact that they were brilliant, and our defence was horrible.

The first five minutes were decent, high pressure etc. The next 15 minutes was spend in our left side. Naughton looked completely clueless. High line or not, he was simply played of the pitch, and that was our main problem.

One player isn't the problem when you get beat 5-0 at home.

 

[SuperPav]

One player isn't the problem when you get beat 5-0 at home.

Now, one might look for concrete reasons for concrete problems. Or one may go for "they where all shit"-mode.

Im saying that our left-side was a catastrophe in this match. Post-Paulinho's red card everything just collaped, I agree. And having only one left-back for three months is ultimately AVB's responsibility.

But the high defensive line has proven itself decent for us when the right players are fit. Naughton is horrible in any kind of system at LB, and Dawson is just not build for it.

 

[Legend10]

Now, one might look for concrete reasons for concrete problems. Or one may go for "they where all shit"-mode.

Im saying that our left-side was a catastrophe in this match. Post-Paulinho's red card everything just collaped, I agree. And having only one left-back for three months is ultimately AVB's responsibility.

But the high defensive line has proven itself decent for us when the right players are fit. Naughton is horrible in any kind of system at LB, and Dawson is just not build for it.

Everything collapsed long before Paulinho was sent off!

To play that high with that back 4 was a joke and asking to be punished!

 

[SuperPav]

Everything collapsed long before Paulinho was sent off!

To play that high with that back 4 was a joke and asking to be punished!

No it didn't.

And yes, we should have been more flexible against Pool.

But the high defensive line has been our most effective weapon this season, it worked when we didn't have shit defenders for it, and our midfield actually seemed to be following their instructions.

 

[Legend10]

No it didn't.

And yes, we should have been more flexible against Pool.

But the high defensive line has been our most effective weapon this season, it worked when we didn't have shit defenders for it, and our midfield actually seemed to be following their instructions.

Our most effective weapon?

Don't know what to say really, so let's move on!

 

[Black]

So the high line is the reason we don't score goals

 

[Blake Griffin]

So the high line is the reason we don't score goals

i believe it contributes to it.

as for the defensive side of it, everyone knows you need quick/intelligent readers in defence and pressing from the front to make the high line work, we had neither on sunday - the whole pressing thing seems to have vanished a while back.

 

[Donki]

No it didn't.

And yes, we should have been more flexible against Pool.

But the high defensive line has been our most effective weapon this season, it worked when we didn't have shit defenders for it, and our midfield actually seemed to be following their instructions.

Ok so Pauli got sent off on what 60mins? In 60mins of football our team didn't fashion one shot on target at home, things weren't really going tip top were they? Attacking movement and possession keeps pressure off our defence, the back four aren't the only ones responsible for the scoreline the whole team was shit. An absolute joke.

 

[Ironskullll]

Yet earlier in the season when we had less injuries we had the highest average shots per game and lowest average shots faced per game. You can't make a judgement on a game where we had such a makeshift defence and a central midfield consisting of Chadli and Holtby.

But a really good manager does adjust his tactics according to available personnel opposition faced. Nicholson used to do it, and if he could then with all the resources at their disposal then any modern coach worth their salt has to be able to do it. He anticipates difficulties and sals with them accordingly.

 

[SuperPav]

But a really good manager does adjust his tactics according to available personnel opposition faced. Nicholson used to do it, and if he could then with all the resources at their disposal then any modern coach worth their salt has to be able to do it. He anticipates difficulties and sals with them accordingly.

Agreed.

But there are still positives about the high line, and we have had som great experiences with it.

 

[SuperPav]

Ok so Pauli got sent off on what 60mins? In 60mins of football our team didn't fashion one shot on target at home, things weren't really going tip top were they? Attacking movement and possession keeps pressure off our defence, the back four aren't the only ones responsible for the scoreline the whole team was shit. An absolute joke.

I haven't said anything different.