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How do Spurs take the next step up?

dontcallme

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I think we just need a few players to come in and shine.

Liverpool almost won the league off the back of Suarez.

One or two really quality signings could be enough.
 

leffe186

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Hmmm that sounds like everything then?

:) Naah, but there are always going to be things that we can improve. David (Matzdorf) is right that we need to keep tweaking rather than making wholesale changes, but that doesn't preclude a couple of big signings to slot in.
 

leffe186

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But that's my question..how do we become better?

These players that we are looking to keep are being courted by the top sides so its evident that they are good enough for the top level. So why is it not possible for them to perform in Spurs colours. Paying them an additional 100kpw isn't going to make the same player perform better.

Yes, i agree that we can sign better players but still, having that money doesn't guarantee success on the pitch. Chelsea is a great example of that. We'd go and spend it on .....who? a top level player that is already at a top level club winning trophies and being paid silly money? Where's the appeal of moving from Bayern or Real or Barca to Spurs?

We're in a very difficult situation in that we need players at the top level but we have no USP to tempt them with - even if we had money.

Well obviously the point of paying them additional money is not to make them perform better but to stop them moving for more money.

Like I said, we need to keep most of our team together but have the opportunity to upgrade at one or two positions. We aren't going to be taking players from Barca or Man City, but we are going to be more likely to make the sort of transfers where we fell short due to money, like Martial, or Willian, or even Hazard. From all accounts our USP is Poch and the team spirit we have built, and more importantly we are eroding some other teams' USPs. Arsenal had a big shiny new exciting stadium in London, Wenger, CL every year. Now the shiny new London stadium is no longer "U", there is no Wenger, and they have failed to get into the CL two years in a row.
 

dontcallme

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+ Gerrard, Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge

My point was his signing was the catalyst. Liverpool didn’t come close in other years with the players you mentioned.

I don’t think Coutinho was there that season.

My point was we probably have a better team than Liverpool had so one or two quality signings could make us title contenders.
 

Wheeler Dealer

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My point was his signing was the catalyst. Liverpool didn’t come close in other years with the players you mentioned.

I don’t think Coutinho was there that season.

My point was we probably have a better team than Liverpool had so one or two quality signings could make us title contenders.
Coutinho started 28 of their 38 games
 

FreddieYid

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Improving our strongest / first 11 is what we need to do, in order to take the next step.

That takes a different level of player than it does to improve the squad.

The stronger your first 11, the harder it is to recruit that type of player without spending big money.

Poch is right, it’s time for Levy to decide what he wants us to be.
 

jonnboy

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Pointless if he doesnt up his game in tactics and game management
I agree with you totally , sometimes makes subs for subs sake ,the subs don’t change the games hardly ever as they are made too late . Same players get taken off , I’m watching games and thinking ie: Dele’s not playing that well , then takes son off or Kane the same and still takes son off , easy substitution in my eyes, not to improve our chances of winning games . Also tactically against United should of played Toby but didn’t , could go on , you get my gist . Maybe this is a learning curve for poch as he is still young , I hope so .
 

Black

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From when Poch played Wanyama and sissoko in midfield when he had other options plays a out of form striker in games we needed to win I can’t take he’s “being brave” comments seriously

We should have finished second if Poch was “being brave”
 

double0

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I agree with you totally , sometimes makes subs for subs sake ,the subs don’t change the games hardly ever as they are made too late . Same players get taken off , I’m watching games and thinking ie: Dele’s not playing that well , then takes son off or Kane the same and still takes son off , easy substitution in my eyes, not to improve our chances of winning games . Also tactically against United should of played Toby but didn’t , could go on , you get my gist . Maybe this is a learning curve for poch as he is still young , I hope so .

So by your reasoning you'd take Alli off to win a game?

Pochettinho does have buzz word " in game management " he adjust formation frequently during games and to be honest consistency is a better bet imo than pick n mix.

Take Harry Kane if Pochettinho had listen to the calls of many to drop Kane/sub him I personally don't feel we'd of finished above 4th.

Also can anyone tell me of a manager that has excellent buzz word "in game management" ie Mourinho at times has subbed a sub or changed before half time on occasions but they always seemed as though he was making a point.
 

jonnboy

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All I’m saying , no one is too good not to be subbed , so you don’t agree that son is an easy option for potch , when other players may not be playing that well ??
 

WexfordTownSpur

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I am caught between counting my blessings and being greedy.

I look back at where we were 5/6 years ago and think wow what an accomplishment! 3 seasons now in the champions league, dare I say regulars or at least regular challengers!

A striker that has one the golden boot two years in a row and scored 30 premier league goals this season!

But, yer here it is. Is this enough now. Well for me it is. If we kept hold of Toby, eriksen, Kane, Hugo, Rose, Verts, Alli, Lucas, Son, and Lamela next year, settled in at our new stadium and finished in CL spot again I would be happy. A cup would be a real bonus.

I don’t think we need to challenge for the tittle next year, we need to consolidate. I think to do this, I am sure Chelski and Arsenal and Liverpool will all invest next year, so we will need to also. But keeping the squad we have is really important.

Then maybe next year or the year after when we have been in the CL for 5 years, built a large quality “squad” then maybe we should set our sites a little higher, expect a little more, domestic cups, champions league semifinals, challenging hard for the premiership title. But not next year, to much to soon.

Basically be happy with what we have! If we do what I said above I will be!
 

the shelf

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Improving our strongest / first 11 is what we need to do, in order to take the next step.

That takes a different level of player than it does to improve the squad.

The stronger your first 11, the harder it is to recruit that type of player without spending big money.

Poch is right, it’s time for Levy to decide what he wants us to be.

This is spot on. The time is now to upgrade the starting 11, and by that I mean at least two major signings to accomplish that. We have worked on the squad over the last couple of years and there is no doubting we have a much stronger squad than in previous years, but we need more now. I think/hope that was what Poch was alluding to with the 'brave' comments.
 

onthetwo

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Again I am going to be controversial and say what would help us to go to the next level is Poch also stepping up in his tactical and game management. Two games that stand out where he was found wanting, were the quarter finals against Juventus and the semifinals against Man Utd. I put our conceding those game solely at the feet of Poch, where his naivety was exposed. There were other games where we were fortunate to get a result despite his poor selection and game management. Not saying that this is the answer to the next level but without an improvement in his management, getting to the next level will be difficult in spite of any financial windfall we may get.
Totally agree - That second half against ManU in the FA cup semi was almost as bad as the capitulation against the Geordies two years ago in terms of players going missing. Id hope that Poch is still searching for answers there as it didnt look right at all.
 

Gilzeanking

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Juve had the experience and closed shop we were just unlucky they scored in quick succession.

What wouldn't I give for us to learn to 'close shop' towards the end of games we are winning . Successful teams usually have this possibility in their locker .
 

shelfmonkey

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By spending...........


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SpursDave88

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Stop selling first team players to clubs we are competing with. Sign 2 or 3 players that come in and improve our first team.
 
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