I see your point with this. But then I also think...what the hell has been doing for the last 18months in terms of squad. Hes had 3 windows to change things now.
How long do you want Jose to get?
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I see your point with this. But then I also think...what the hell has been doing for the last 18months in terms of squad. Hes had 3 windows to change things now.
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If you could see a style/ pattern of play you would be happy but I’m just not seeing anything at all!
Agreed. although it wasnt pretty we had a definitive style of play when we went top of the league. Since the Liverpool and Leicester games, its been a bit make it up as you go along.
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I know how you feel , but three windows under levy is nothing really . We haven’t even pushed the boat out on any signings
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I know how you feel , but three windows under levy is nothing really . We haven’t even pushed the boat out on any signings
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I want JM to stay, but that's because I want us to succeed and win stuff. If Jose gives us that, I think he should stay.
a) Win the Milk Cup and finish in the top 4: success and trophies; Jose stays.
b) Lose against City but qualify for the CL: An improvement on last season, a strong finish to the season. I'd keep him.
c) Beat City, finish 5th: I'd probably keep him.
d) Beat city, poor league position: Thanks for the trophy, but let's move on.
e) Lose to City, narrowly miss out on the CL: If we are still too often playing poorly, let's move on. If we have a decent final few games and play with a clear plan and with abundant joy, maybe there is something to build on.
a) Win the Milk Cup and finish in the top 4: success and trophies; Jose stays.
b) Lose against City but qualify for the CL: An improvement on last season, a strong finish to the season. I'd keep him.
c) Beat City, finish 5th: I'd probably keep him.
d) Beat city, poor league position: Thanks for the trophy, but let's move on.
e) Lose to City, narrowly miss out on the CL: If we are still too often playing poorly, let's move on. If we have a decent final few games and play with a clear plan and with abundant joy, maybe there is something to build on.
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We were top on goal difference with a team now below us in game weeks 9-12. The last time we were top before that was 2014. We have had far better seasons in the league since 2014.
We won’t finish top 4. It won’t happen when you look at fixtures and points difference. But if it does that would be a remarkable end to the season.
But it wouldn’t be our best season in the prem. if you think beating Lampard’s Chelsea on pens, beating some lower league opposition and beating Man City once is equivalent to reaching a champions league final ... It was a bigger achievement to get out the CL group stage than it would be to win the league cup. We even had to beat Man City over two legs without Harry Kane in that run. Just those two games are a bigger achievement (not to mention more excitement) than this whole LC run could ever be.
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Top 4 and a trophy trumps anything we've done in the Prem era.
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That game against Stoke will live long in the memory.
The value of the trophy is commensurate with the difficulty in obtaining that trophy and the prestige. The value of any competition is commensurate with the difficulty of playing in that competition and the prestige. It’s not even close.
Different values I guess. I loved our Audi cup win.
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5 or 6 weeks ago I would have fired him, but there's not much point now with 2 months to go and a cup final.
I think the minimum he needs to achieve is a Top 6 finish in the league, regardless of whether we win a cup or not.
If he does that then I'd keep him for another season, but only if Levy is going to back him in the summer transfer window (clear the deadwood and sign 3 or 4 VERY good players).
I'd also have a 'Plan B' on the table if Jose starts poorly in 21/22.
Oh, and I'd bring in a DoF and improve the recruitment process at the club...
...and Levy, get us a stadium naming rights deal, will you?
So not much to do this summer
I think the minimum he needs to achieve is a Top 6 finish in the league, regardless of whether we win a cup or not.
If he does that then I'd keep him for another season, but only if Levy is going to back him in the summer transfer window (clear the deadwood and sign 3 or 4 VERY good players).
I'd also have a 'Plan B' on the table if Jose starts poorly in 21/22.
Oh, and I'd bring in a DoF and improve the recruitment process at the club...
...and Levy, get us a stadium naming rights deal, will you?
So not much to do this summer
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lol sorry this is some nonsense
It doesn't matter who you beat on the way to win a trophy, the moment that lives in the memory is lifting the damn thing so you're consigned to the history books, because that's what it's all about creating history and cementing that very moment of lifting a trophy for the club.
I can absolutely guarantee you that no one gives a flying iota about our Ajax match apart from some over sentimental Spurs fans, not even Spurs players care a jot about that match anymore (well maybe apart from Lucas) you know why...?Because we ended up as LOSERS, i'll tell you what they'll remember though is this:
Do you remember when City won the FA Cup in 2017/18? Does you remember who they faced on the way to winning the trophy? Does anyone...apart from some crazed conspiracy theorist loon who maintain that draws are rigged probably...
2018-19
FA Cup - Rotherham, Burnley, Newport, Swansea, Brighton, Watford
Not one top 6 team in there let alone half decent Premier League side, do you think City players or fans give a shit?
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I just don’t think that’s right. Fundamentally we disagree on the value of playing in the champions league knockouts versus winning the league cup.
I don’t remember that City won the FA cup at all that year. It was forgotten almost as soon as it was won. The fact you can win that trophy without facing big teams is exactly why it is not as prestigious as the league or champions league.
I do remember their frustrating champions league campaigns. Losing to Monaco. Losing to us. The fact Guardiola hasn’t got them to a final. But the clubs prestige and ability to draw in players comes from being there or thereabouts in the league every season and getting to the champions league knockouts. Winning minor domestic cup competitions is nice but of limited value.
I think Lloris (a World Cup winner) is likely to look back on the CL run to the final as one of the highlights of his career. The others definitely will. I think the same is true of the Croats who lost the World Cup final. Sure there’s regret but there’ll also be pride that they took part in an exhilarating run which represents the apex of their sport. If you can’t see that the champions league is on another plane to the league cup then we just disagree. Winning or losing one game more or less in either competitions doesn’t materially change that.
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None of those an option for me.
If we magically finish top 4 and win the Carabao Cup you can say he's fulfilled the minimum requirement and is entitled to another season.
But I'd prefer a clean break. Jose would have achieved what we all wanted and the monkey will be off the back.
If we are out of the top 4 but win the Carabao Cup he's fallen short.
I can see the reasoning behind plodding on until the seasons end but once the rot has set in, it NEVER recovers.
If we magically finish top 4 and win the Carabao Cup you can say he's fulfilled the minimum requirement and is entitled to another season.
But I'd prefer a clean break. Jose would have achieved what we all wanted and the monkey will be off the back.
If we are out of the top 4 but win the Carabao Cup he's fallen short.
I can see the reasoning behind plodding on until the seasons end but once the rot has set in, it NEVER recovers.
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There maybe value to some fans playing CL knockout matches by that's as far as it goes. Players want to win - I think you romanticise football a little too much, your idealogy of taking part in competitions and playing big teams sounds very noble and fantasist but that's not the reality we live in.
It's definately not a reality for Tottenham a club who are starved of success anyway, I will guarantee you that players want to win trophies no matter the value of them, I can't say that taking pride in losing matches is something they will be proud of no matter the occasion.
Anyway I digress...Top 4 and a cup will be our most successful season in the Prem era no matter how we do it or how anyone wants to dress it up.
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Perception is reality. We all live in different realities
Theres always more to say but let’s leave this here. Suffice to say that this is a big difference in the fan base and how people see things.
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I think the obvious question in all of this is who do you want to oversee whatever rebuild we go through. I don't like the idea of Mourinho recruiting players specifically for 'his' brand of football (which has, for the most part been absolutely horrible to watch). On the flip side of that you could argue that he still has the pull to interest big name players and is tight with Mendes. I wouldn't be confident about what we were left with by the time he leaves, which historically would be fairly soon. We don't really know how good somebody like Nagelsmann is at spotting talent and integrating players because he hasn't done a whole lot of it, but on the flip side of that, Mourinho has bought some absolute donkeys in his time which largely go unnoticed because of the massive amounts of money he's had at hand. For my money, Nagelsmann and somebody like Luis Campos would probably get us going in the right direction.
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Until the end of the season to have a chance to turn it around is my take, also the easiest one I guess - I´m usually adverse to manager sackings as it´s too easy to blame it all on one person, and while so far there is little joy to be had with our games, we´re not totally without any chance of European Football for next season (even a slight chance for CL dare I say, althought he remaining fixtures make me shudder a little) and there´s a cup final to be played as well.
also little point in getting rid now - who would take over at this stage and do better? so let´s see but keep tabs on who might be available in the summer
also little point in getting rid now - who would take over at this stage and do better? so let´s see but keep tabs on who might be available in the summer
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Players also want to compete on the biggest stage against the best in Europe. That's why quality players want to come here, not specifically to maybe win a Carling Cup or even an FA Cup. Fans love a Wembley final but they also love a jaunt round Europe.
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