How long do you want Jose to get?

[Indisguise]

Getting harder and harder to give a shit.

 

[chrisd2k]

I would have been until the end of the season camp but it said he could stay if he turns it around so went with immediately.
He very well could scrape top 4 but we've never really been in the fight at the top and sometimes you have to trust what you see.
The football is poor, the tactics seem dated, and I look at some of the talented players we have and think if someone like Nagelsmann was working with them would it be different?

 

[duffman22]

Irrespective of the other clear problems at the club, if you play the football he plays then you need to get results. And if we don’t qualify for the Champions League then he’ll need to go.

 

[werty]

If there isn't a dramatic change in the way we play then I'd get rid.

 

[wrd]

Irrespective of the other clear problems at the club, if you play the football he plays then you need to get results. And if we don’t qualify for the Champions League then he’ll need to go.

Yes the ends are meant to justify the means and they simply don't so far. I'd even say that finishing top4 was not really worth some of the football we have had to sit through so far but he'd be getting the 2nd season with the hope that with Champions League and the larger resources available that the means would improve significantly.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Until the end of the season but I want him gone regardless. I don’t believe we will see anything better from him next season and tactically he hasn’t developed any sort of coherent style of play. Even at his best for us we were an incredibly one dimensional counter attacking unit.

 

[JayB]

I'm of two minds as I don't see how we could sack him if he scrapes top four but I also don't see much point in keeping him next season. When fans are back in the stands the atmosphere will turn toxic given the dross he routinely serves up, so if we don't move on in the summer we'll be stuck dealing with the drama of ousting him during the middle of next season, bringing in a caretaker or new manager who didn't have a preseason or an opportunity to build his own squad, etc. It seems absolutely inevitable that if he's the manager next season that will be the outcome, as this leopard is simply not going to change his spots.

Far better in the long term interests of the club to not waste a year and move on this summer, no matter what, but it's very difficult to see Levy taking that action if we do somehow manage to qualify for the CL.

 

[felmani26]

Where's the Alan Pardew (8 year contract) option?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'd prefer for him to go ASAP, so that somebody else can guide the club to CL footie and so the long term new guy can come in from the very start of the transfer window knowing that CL is in place.
Alternatively, Mourinho we'll stay on, he'll somehow stray into top 4, keep his job because of it and get a new summer of transfer deals, fall flat next season and be out the door before Christmas anyway.

Tl;DR — Bye bye, and happy easter, Jose.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Until the end of the season but I want him gone regardless. I don’t believe we will see anything better from him next season and tactically he hasn’t developed any sort of coherent style of play. Even at his best for us we were an incredibly one dimensional counter attacking unit.

I'd offer a correction. At our best, that's when he abandons his ideals altogether and puts out a team with no tactical restraints.

 

[Japhet]

Absolutely depends on who we could get to replace him. I don't fancy the idea of Mourinho rebuilding to deliver more of his brand of football, but I also don't fancy the idea of an exodus of top players if they want him to stay. Can't say I know quite why they'd want him to stay to be honest but I'd imagine he'd talk a good fight to them in the dressing room. If we could get someone exciting like Nagelsmann I'd prefer that to the possibility of another season like we've just had. I think overall Mourinho has been very poor and not a good fit for us at all, and he's pretty much ticked all of the 'concerns' boxes from when he was appointed IMO.

 

[Indisguise]

I'm of two minds as I don't see how we could sack him if he scrapes top four but I also don't see much point in keeping him next season. When fans are back in the stands the atmosphere will turn toxic given the dross he routinely serves up, so if we don't move on in the summer we'll be stuck dealing with the drama of ousting him during the middle of next season, bringing in a caretaker or new manager who didn't have a preseason or an opportunity to build his own squad, etc. It seems absolutely inevitable that if he's the manager next season that will be the outcome, as this leopard is simply not going to change his spots.

Far better in the long term interests of the club to not waste a year and move on this summer, no matter what, but it's very difficult to see Levy taking that action if we do somehow manage to qualify for the CL.

I'd prefer for him to go ASAP, so that somebody else can guide the club to CL footie and so the long term new guy can come in from the very start of the transfer window knowing that CL is in place.
Alternatively, Mourinho we'll stay on, he'll somehow stray into top 4, keep his job because of it and get a new summer of transfer deals, fall flat next season and be out the door before Christmas anyway.

Tl;DR — Bye bye, and happy easter, Jose.

Yeah, I'm coming round to the idea of "sooner rather later". I like the guy, I find him entertaining, but not enough to keep him for any longer than is absolutely necessary.

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

If we were to get Champions League then he definitely stays for me. Not that we have much of a chance at all in the final, but winning the league cup probably wouldn't be enough if we finish outside of Europe. I don't have the hate for him that others seem to have. You could easily claim that 5th/6th is around our level with our current squad, but you also have to say that balanced against the "pragmatic" style of football, he should be judged on his ability to get us results.

It's a really tricky decision for Levy this, nowhere near as simple and obvious a decision as a lot of people here are making out. Nagelsmann is flavour of the month but in reality he is a big risk, like most appointments are. So far as I know he has always worked with a DOF. For all we know he might be poor at identifying and buying players. So are we going back down the DOF route? That hasn't worked out particularly well for us the previous times we've tried it.

One thing I would say is that I think the Mourinho/Levy dynamic was quite effective in the transfer window. There have been hits and misses but Hojbjerg was a bargain, and I'm convinced we wouldn't have got the Reguillon deal done without Jose and his connections. Vinicius on loan has been about as effective as I expect a Kane backup to be. His asking price is too much but that can be negotiated down. He was pushing hard for Dias or Skriniar, who both could've made a huge difference to the outcome of our season. A couple more "hits" this summer, plus Skipp back to backup Hojbjerg, and I do wonder if we could be an effective unit again.

I do think Levy either needs to back the guy (and that will mean selling the players who don't fit, such as Alli) or we need to start a new project. Not entirely convinced Kane will be up for that project though. If he's backing Mourinho then it could be worth one more roll of the dice.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I'd offer a correction. At our best, that's when he abandons his ideals altogether and outs out a team with no tactical restraints.

I meant more from the sense of being top of the league.

 

[spids]

It's for you to define, not me.

If by your standards the job he does until the end of the season doesn't justify him staying then your view is option 2.

Well, I think you missed an option then - Sacked in the summer.

 

[dontcallme]

Well, I think you missed an option then - Sacked in the summer.

I agree but I can't edit the poll now. Though I would still say if you want him gone in the summer choose option 2.

 

[Ashley1974]

Personally if we have the chance to hire JN we have to take it this summer. Another season he will be somewhere else and he has already said he won't change jobs mid season. We simply have to act this summer. He will reinvograte the support and get back to having a young progressive coach.

I think Jose is already too far gone, can't see him turning it around with a big enough uptick in results and performances plus getting top 4.

The elephant in the room, is will changing manager sabaotage our efforts to get rid of Sisssoko, Dier Winks etc I really hope not.

This is the reason why I think we are better to give him next season. Let somebody sort out the dross at this club once and for fucking all!

Nagelsmann is the current next big thing. 2 years ago we would have been calling for Howe or Martinez etc (I may be off on my timing there, but you get the drift). There will be another 'next big thing' next season or the season after, but they won't last long nor do well if we don't get rid of the dross at this club first.

Big summer for Daniel.

 

[duffman22]

Absolutely depends on who we could get to replace him. I don't fancy the idea of Mourinho rebuilding to deliver more of his brand of football, but I also don't fancy the idea of an exodus of top players if they want him to stay. Can't say I know quite why they'd want him to stay to be honest but I'd imagine he'd talk a good fight to them in the dressing room. If we could get someone exciting like Nagelsmann I'd prefer that to the possibility of another season like we've just had. I think overall Mourinho has been very poor and not a good fit for us at all, and he's pretty much ticked all of the 'concerns' boxes from when he was appointed IMO.

I do think this is a good point. If our top players are fully behind him then I’d love to know what is going on tactically at the training ground because it doesn’t look like there is a coherent plan in most games.

Or is there a clear tactical master plan but the current players are incapable of executing it? In which case would 1 summer transfer window really solve that?

 

[Shadydan]

Big summer for Daniel.

It always is

 

[rez9000]

Where's the Alan Pardew (8 year contract) option?

In everyone's nightmares, I would think!