Is it time for Daniel Levy to step down?

[Francis Gibbs]

Or perhaps, didn't and won't even try to attract a replacement until the summer because he believes that Sherwood deserves a chance to prove himself.



Like any club that isn't Real Madrid, Barca or Bayern Munich.



Spurs spends every pound that it earns. What more do you want?



£450m projects are so easy to progress for a football club not funded by oil billions, after all......not to mention the fact that we have no idea what progress has been made on securing the funding etc. over the past year or so.



I had him down as more of a hatchet man midfielder.........a Souness type.......if you take the piss, he'll take you out eventually.

So in order -

Good business to trust a £100m plus investment to a complete novice? and if that was the case why not give Sherwood the job the same day AVB was sacked?
So yes he does
Net new investment
so not easy, maybe the delay is beyond the bounds of his capabilities to resolve - let's face it
he isn't making many sound decisions lately

 

[Samson]

I think Levy and ENIC are in danger of spending like Kenwright and acting like Abramovich at the moment. It does feel like we've sacked two contrasting guys, both with reasonable records given the club's inability to deliver their favoured players, for the guy that's been telling Levy that it's not him, it's them. Unless Sherwood does deliver top 4, that's going to look like bad Chairmanship.

 

[No Donkey]

If this Sherwood appointment goes wonky, then our Daniel is in deep sewage and could well be gone. At least, at that point, I'd favour a change in that department.

He just can't keep making the same mistakes over and over again and expect the supporters to keep behind him.

 

[Ironskullll]

I believe that only those whiter than white can call for Levy's head. Until fans accept they are part of the problem then nothing will change.

Racist

 

[SteveH]

So in order -

Good business to trust a £100m plus investment to a complete novice? and if that was the case why not give Sherwood the job the same day AVB was sacked?
So yes he does
Net new investment
so not easy, maybe the delay is beyond the bounds of his capabilities to resolve - let's face it
he isn't making many sound decisions lately

As we 'know' next to nothing about AVB departure and the details of recruiting a replacement. How do you know the decisions were sound or not.

Your take on thing concerning Levy/Lewis, AVB Tim is almost exclusively based on what hear and read in the media.

Jumping to conclusions can be truly disastrous. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24106284

 

[Ironskullll]

I'd love to know what the comparisons are like between the recruitment of AVB and that of other key personnel in the world of commerce. Such a huge salary. Such a huge financial responsibility. Such pressure. What sort of delving took place into the man's strength of character? Is there a corporate plan, and if so how detailed is it? What support structures were in place? Who was mentoring a young man held to be a brilliant coach but who still had question marks over him as to his man management skills and his ability to stand the pressure and think straight when the going got rough? I'm still bewildered by it all. Not so much AVB's departure itself, but the whole process leading up to it, over a period of 18 months, and even before.

 

[Stavrogin]

TBH I think the argument has a lot of merit and wether or not Santini should be included or not is probably, on reflection, a moot point. For example (and of course IMO), De Boer isn't going to look at the reasons why manager A, B or C left, he won't care.......he'll look at the numbers or turnover of managers. That's IF its something that concerns him of course

Of course he'll care. It's not as if he'll refuse all contact with Levy based on rumours and simplistic facts. It really shouldn't be hard for Levy to make the case that Santini, Ramos and Villas Boas walked or were sacked because they were doing terribly.

I really don't think the primary concern when applying for a new job is 'how will my employee treat me if I am an abject failure'. At least I hope not.

 

[SteveH]

I'd love to know what the comparisons are like between the recruitment of AVB and that of other key personnel in the world of commerce. Such a huge salary. Such a huge financial responsibility. Such pressure. What sort of delving took place into the man's strength of character? Is there a corporate plan, and if so how detailed is it? What support structures were in place? Who was mentoring a young man held to be a brilliant coach but who still had question marks over him as to his man management skills and his ability to stand the pressure and think straight when the going got rough? I'm still bewildered by it all. Not so much AVB's departure itself, but the whole process leading up to it, over a period of 18 months, and even before.

I'm not sure normal rules apply anymore when it comes to football managers. It's something that seems to be endemic in football. AVB's appointment flew in the face of logic. But it's far from being an isolated case. Tim appointment is not dissimilar due to his total lack of any first team management. But one thing I'm in favour of with Tim is the lack of airs and graces.

We will see how evolves and overcomes the setback that are unavoidable in football.

 

[Tott66]

If Timmy messes up,levy the steward of our club will have no other option but to abdicate from his position.
Still unsure if enic will ever build this stadium and their long term plans.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Of course he'll care. It's not as if he'll refuse all contact with Levy based on rumours and simplistic facts. It really shouldn't be hard for Levy to make the case that Santini, Ramos and Villas Boas walked or were sacked because they were doing terribly.

I really don't think the primary concern when applying for a new job is 'how will my employee treat me if I am an abject failure'. At least I hope not.

I'm sure you're right, nobody would 'refuse all contact' but once you get a rep for being trigger happy then its possible that a manager wouldn't feel confident that he'd be afford the opportunity to see it through, feel it isn't right for him at that time and politely decline. Hence the big 'if' that I slung in, to cover my pert buttocks. There are all sorts of reasons managers turn down opportunities, there's every chance that something like this could be one of them.

I'm not saying people will start turning the gig down en masse though!

 

[Mullers]

Once again, the best evidence seems to suggest that it was at least as much AVB's decision to leave as it was Levy's to get rid. And if it was more the latter, then it's much more likely that Levy had simply come to the conclusion that he had made a mistake in appointing AVB; that AVB was the wrong man for the club after all; that his style of football didn't suit; that he was reluctant to give youth a chance; that he had a habit of falling out with some senior players.

I'm not saying that Levy was necessarily right to have come to any of those conclusions. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. But I am fairly certain that there were bigger issues than merely the indistinct possibility that, after the coming five months and 22 games, we might have missed out on CL football again.

Even if it was the former, Levy still takes a large amount of blame for that. AVB could have walked to a great job in the summer, so it doesn't add up.

As for the latter he still could have left things how they were until the summer.

 

[Mullers]

If Timmy messes up,levy the steward of our club will have no other option but to abdicate from his position.
Still unsure if enic will ever build this stadium and their long term plans.

He will never step down, he is untouchable.
The pope, the queen, have nothing on this guy.

 

[southgatespur40]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread yet, since I haven't read through it all, but do we seriously want levy to step down whilst he is making progress with the new stadium?

Would a new owner have the financial nous to make sure we didn't do a leeds? Would a new owner even keep up with the promises of a new stadium?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread yet, since I haven't read through it all, but do we seriously want levy to step down whilst he is making progress with the new stadium?

Would a new owner have the financial nous to make sure we didn't do a leeds? Would a new owner even keep up with the promises of a new stadium?

Do you know something the rest of us don't about the stadium ? Last I checked Daniel's only progress was in building a Sainsburys while stockpiling land in Tottenham in a Cayman Islands company and failing to land either a stadium sponsor or a credible alternative means of financing.

Levy has been a good chairman on the finances up until know but I believe has hit a wall on the stadium which is the most significant financial activity of his chairmanship. In terms of on field activity I think he has been distinctly below average in his active choices - Hoddle, Santini, Comolli, Ramos, AVB, Baldini - while getting very lucky with his passive choices - Jol, Redknapp. Let's hope the pattern continues and he gets lucky with Timmy.

Should he go ? Yes.

Will he go ? No as he owns the club.

 

[Mullers]

Should have left Jol in charge, it would have been a lot cheaper

 

[Lilbaz]

Do you know something the rest of us don't about the stadium ? Last I checked Daniel's only progress was in building a Sainsburys while stockpiling land in Tottenham in a Cayman Islands company and failing to land either a stadium sponsor or a credible alternative means of financing.

Levy has been a good chairman on the finances up until know but I believe has hit a wall on the stadium which is the most significant financial activity of his chairmanship. In terms of on field activity I think he has been distinctly below average in his active choices - Hoddle, Santini, Comolli, Ramos, AVB, Baldini - while getting very lucky with his passive choices - Jol, Redknapp. Let's hope the pattern continues and he gets lucky with Timmy.

Should he go ? Yes.

Will he go ? No as he owns the club.

People believe a lot of fucked up things. Doesn't make them true.

Donna Cullen said that the contract for the construction will go out for tender early 2014 and that we will have cranes on the ground by the end of that year.

 

[jambreck]

Do you know something the rest of us don't about the stadium ? Last I checked Daniel's only progress was in building a Sainsburys while stockpiling land in Tottenham in a Cayman Islands company and failing to land either a stadium sponsor or a credible alternative means of financing.

Levy has been a good chairman on the finances up until know but I believe has hit a wall on the stadium which is the most significant financial activity of his chairmanship. In terms of on field activity I think he has been distinctly below average in his active choices - Hoddle, Santini, Comolli, Ramos, AVB, Baldini - while getting very lucky with his passive choices - Jol, Redknapp. Let's hope the pattern continues and he gets lucky with Timmy.

Should he go ? Yes.

Will he go ? No as he owns the club.

Interesting that you should question another poster's knowledge of what's happening with the stadium while having no hesitation in declaring that you know what is going on.

Has Levy hit a wall with regard to funding? It wouldn't be surprising if he has. Banks are still incredibly reluctant to lend, after all, and have been so throughout the past five years since we embarked upon this stadium project.

But short of an oil billionaire buying the club and lavishing it with his riches, is there anyone you'd rather have on the project? Not least to consider is the fact that we stand a far better chance of securing the funding with Joe Lewis in the background than if we had most other owners.

That said, all the itk suggests that the debt finance is in place. The only thing we're waiting on is a naming rights deal. And I'm sure that there are plenty of offers on the table already. It's just that Levy, as is his wont, is holding out for the best possible offer.

There are a couple of other stadium issues to be resolved. Firstly, the CPO being served on Archway Sheet Metal. Secondly, whether or not Populous have come up with a completely new design and increased capacity - in which case, the club would have to seek new planning consent. But if nothing changes, the word from the club is that construction will begin next year. The club's annual report should be published within the next month so we might get a proper update then.

As to "on field activity", you're not seeing the wood for the trees. Yes, there have been bad managerial appointments. Yes, there have been setbacks. But are we light years ahead of where we were when Levy took over? Yes. Are we punching way above our weight, given the huge financial advantage enjoyed by five other PL clubs? Yes. Do we have one of the best squads in the Premier League - the kind that we couldn't even have conceived of ten years ago? Yes.

Should Levy go? Absofuckinglutely not.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

People believe a lot of fucked up things. Doesn't make them true.

Donna Cullen said that the contract for the construction will go out for tender early 2014 and that we will have cranes on the ground by the end of that year.

Nobody would be happier than me if I'm proved wrong and the timeline as you outline it is correct. So far I've seen nothing to suggest it is feasible, bank facilities of the size required don't get executed in an instant and if financing was in place there would be evidence such as an announcement of a syndicated facility, again if this has happened and I missed it I sincerely apologise.

 

[Lilbaz]

That, approximately £400m to build a 56,000-seat stadium, stores and a podium around it, will be raised by selling naming rights and bank borrowing. The Spurs spokeswoman said the club is now confident enough about securing the funding to envisage putting the construction out to tender in early 2014, and have "cranes on site", beginning to build the new stadium, by the end of next year.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/30/tottenham-new-stadium-local-business-demolition

 

[southgatespur40]

Do you know something the rest of us don't about the stadium ? Last I checked Daniel's only progress was in building a Sainsburys while stockpiling land in Tottenham in a Cayman Islands company and failing to land either a stadium sponsor or a credible alternative means of financing.

Levy has been a good chairman on the finances up until know but I believe has hit a wall on the stadium which is the most significant financial activity of his chairmanship. In terms of on field activity I think he has been distinctly below average in his active choices - Hoddle, Santini, Comolli, Ramos, AVB, Baldini - while getting very lucky with his passive choices - Jol, Redknapp. Let's hope the pattern continues and he gets lucky with Timmy.

Should he go ? Yes.

Will he go ? No as he owns the club.

It amazes me how fickle fans are, one minute they love someone the next they couldn't stand them.

Firstly, neither of us are in any position to comment on the updates of the stadium, because it's not as if the club regularly releases updates about everything they do.

Secondly Managerial choices, you're being very very harsh when you're saying he 'got' lucky with passive choices, there is no difference between a passive choice and another choice, the simple fact remains is that they were chosen.

Also almost all of those managers/DoF came with great reputations, Ramos had been tearing up the Spanish League and Europe with Sevilla, AVB with Porto, Santini was the French National Team manager, Baldini's reputation is amazing.

Also, this is the same chairman that brought us the likes of Van der Vaart.

Should he go? No, he has done a lot for this club and will continue to do good things for it.

Yes, he has made mistakes, but are you saying if you were in his shoes you would somehow manage to hire better managers?