Is it time for Daniel Levy to step down?

[Misfit]

For those thinking levy should step down could you please give an alternative? Who would you like to take over?

What's Elton John doing these days. He'd be faaaaaaabulous.

 

[Mullers]

If Daniel Levy took the same action as Vince the usual majority would be ok with that.

 

[woodyspur]

haven't voted one way or another but i still can't wrap my head around firing a manager in the middle of the season whilst he/we had a winning record...

 

[NEVILLEB]

If Levy was at Liverpool he'd probably have sacked Brendan Rogers and sold Suarez and Gerrard by now.

 

[jambreck]

If Levy was at Liverpool he'd probably have sacked Brendan Rogers and sold Suarez and Gerrard by now.

If Levy was at Liverpool, they wouldn't have crashed out of the top four for the past four years.

And since you have obviously failed to notice, Levy tends to drive a hard bargain and get prices for players that few others could hope to achieve.

So no.......he wouldn't have fucking sold Suarez for £40m + £1. Nor would he have sold for £50m, as Liverpool's bosses likely would have done.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If Levy was at Liverpool, they wouldn't have crashed out of the top four for the past four years.
Blatant guess, but given that they are a bigger club, probably correct, you'd have to be a complete clown to let a club go that far backwards. Oh wait………...
And since you have obviously failed to notice, Levy tends to drive a hard bargain and get prices for players that few others could hope to achieve.
Ahhh, this is better……….this is the foundation that the whole cult of Levy is based on.
So no.......he wouldn't have fucking sold Suarez for £40m + £1. Nor would he have sold for £50m, as Liverpool's bosses likely would have done.
He wouldn't have bought Saurez in the first place. Yes, I know, I know, there's no way I could know that. But you started it

This is pure Christmas pudding!

I've only been on fleetingly the last few days. Where stand we on this? And Sherwood?

 

[jambreck]

Blatant guess, but given that they are a bigger club, probably correct, you'd have to be a complete clown to let a club go that far backwards. Oh wait………...

Ahhh, this is better……….this is the foundation that the whole cult of Levy is based on.

He wouldn't have bought Saurez in the first place. Yes, I know, I know, there's no way I could know that. But you started it

This is pure Christmas pudding!

I've only been on fleetingly the last few days. Where stand we on this? And Sherwood?

Liverpool spiralled into decline because they were hopelessly mismanaged and burdened by enormous debt by Hicks and Gillette. Not a chance that Levy would have done either.

And of course he would have bought Suarez, if that had been the recommendation. He tried to buy Suarez for Spurs, after all, before Harry turned him down.

 

[mill]

Liverpool spiralled into decline because they were hopelessly mismanaged and burdened by enormous debt by Hicks and Gillette. Not a chance that Levy would have done either.

And of course he would have bought Suarez, if that had been the recommendation. He tried to buy Suarez for Spurs, after all, before Harry turned him down.

Many would argue we're being hopelessly mismanaged by levy currently

 

[Mullers]

If Levy was at Liverpool, they wouldn't have crashed out of the top four for the past four years.

And since you have obviously failed to notice, Levy tends to drive a hard bargain and get prices for players that few others could hope to achieve.

So no.......he wouldn't have fucking sold Suarez for £40m + £1. Nor would he have sold for £50m, as Liverpool's bosses likely would have done.

We've only been in the CL once ourselves, never to return.
Apart from Bale and Keane who we ended up buying back anyway, I don't think he really got prices on players few would hope to achieve.

 

[jambreck]

We've only been in the CL once ourselves, never to return.
Apart from Bale and Keane who we ended up buying back anyway, I don't think he really got prices on players few would hope to achieve.

Surely you can see that there is a massive difference between Liverpool, on the one hand, being fixtures in the Champions League and losing that status by fucking up royally and Spurs, on the other, having never previously been CL fixtures, getting close and succeeding once but not being able, by the slenderest of margins on a number of occasions, to repeat that feat - especially given the massive financial inequality that works against us?

As to prices, we'll have to agree to disagree. For starters, £18 million for Carrick was an enormous sum of money for such a player at that time.

 

[Lilbaz]

Surely you can see that there is a massive difference between Liverpool, on the one hand, being fixtures in the Champions League and losing that status by fucking up royally and Spurs, on the other, having never previously been CL fixtures, getting close and succeeding once but not being able, by the slenderest of margins on a number of occasions, to repeat that feat - especially given the massive financial inequality that works against us?

As to prices, we'll have to agree to disagree. For starters, £18 million for Carrick was an enormous sum of money for such a player at that time.

Berba, vdv, walker...

How many years under sugar did we go without making a penny on players we bought?

 

[StartingPrice]

Many would argue we're being hopelessly mismanaged by levy currently

There is a bit of a difference between being hopelessly mismanaged and being pretty well managed but making some appointments that didn't particularly work-out at management level.

I would suggest Liverpool experienced the former and we experienced the latter.

 

[StartingPrice]

What's Elton John doing these days. He'd be faaaaaaabulous.

Is that an oblique reference Pinball Wizard...which would be rather apt as our attacking performances are rather like a never-ending game of pinball that never reaches the goal?

 

[Mullers]

Surely you can see that there is a massive difference between Liverpool, on the one hand, being fixtures in the Champions League and losing that status by fucking up royally and Spurs, on the other, having never previously been CL fixtures, getting close and succeeding once but not being able, by the slenderest of margins on a number of occasions, to repeat that feat - especially given the massive financial inequality that works against us?

As to prices, we'll have to agree to disagree. For starters, £18 million for Carrick was an enormous sum of money for such a player at that time.

Your statement was 'If Levy was at Liverpool, they wouldn't have crashed out of the top four for the past four years.' I see no evidence for this.
IMO Liverpool's decline began when Rafa went mental and decided that Gareth Barry would be a better option than Alonso in midfield!!! Alonso ended up being sold. If the manager gets it right on the pitch, then they can survive being burden by debt, e.g Real Madrid, Manchester United.

Apart from the Chelsea debacle, there have been a couple times where we should have qualified for the CL. When we qualified for the CL we spent a pittance. 6.5 million for Sandro and of course the excellent last minute transfer of VDV for 8 million.

In January when we really needed to strengthen the best we could do is Piennar for 3 million and Khumalo for 1.5 million.

Hey bigggg spenderrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Pathetic for a club with aspirations of regular CL football.
I think 18 million was about 3million more than Carrick was worth imo.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Liverpool spiralled into decline because they were hopelessly mismanaged and burdened by enormous debt by Hicks and Gillette. Not a chance that Levy would have done either.
And we're spiralling in decline for what reasons that hasn't got Levy's fingerprints on then?
And of course he would have bought Suarez, if that had been the recommendation. He tried to buy Suarez for Spurs, after all, before Harry turned him down.
I know that, the reference was about selling him. I was being silly because there's no way you could possibly be sure Levy would not have sold him for £50m or not. It is very possible that he would have.

Levy drives a hard bargain. Fuck me, it's ridiculous that he's got by for so long pretty much on the back of getting a good deal for a player. There's absolutely no way that he shouldn't be held at least partly responsible for what's going on at Spurs and it's quite right that questions are finally being asked of him.

I keep seeing people say things like "he's made mistakes", like a throwaway line and then defending him from everything. So i'd like someone from the BSoDL to let us know exactly where Levy HAS gone wrong.

If we'd supported half our managers with even a half of the resolve, understanding and latitude being shown to Levy it's entirely possible that we wouldn't be such a fuckup of a club right now.

I've said it before and here it is again.
Financial stuff? In Levy I trust. No question.
Football decisions? well, lets put it this way, if he were going to a fancy dress party it wouldn't surprise me if he went dressed as Ronald McDonald

 

[EastLondonYid]

Are we really sure DL sacked AVB?

AVB behaviour left some doubt didn't it?

Having a pop at the fans was out of character and odd
Having a public spout with the press
Hinting in a press conference he didn't choose the new transfers.
Messing about with alot of our new big signings

All add up to AVB not really happy...are we 100% sure DL sacked him, or did AVB instigate it? im not sure

Just to add, DL has imo done the right thing in not rushing into a new appointment, Sherwood is imo a stop gap untill the summer.We have been down this road before, i am not happy... but the names we are being linked with this morning are the type that may finally take us where we want to be...(Jurgen,Vaan G,)

 

[jambreck]

Your statement was 'If Levy was at Liverpool, they wouldn't have crashed out of the top four for the past four years.' I see no evidence for this.

Of course there's no evidence for it. It's a hypothetical scenario, for fuck's sake! Since NEVILLEB hypothesised that, "If Levy was at Liverpool he'd probably have sacked Brendan Rogers and sold Suarez and Gerrard by now", then it was perfectly legitimate to hypothesise in response.

IMO Liverpool's decline began when Rafa went mental and decided that Gareth Barry would be a better option than Alonso in midfield!!! Alonso ended up being sold. If the manager gets it right on the pitch, then they can survive being burden by debt, e.g Real Madrid, Manchester United.

Liverpool's decline began when they were burdened with £400m of debt from Hicks' and Gillette's leveraged buyout of the club that cost it £40m per annum. Crazy to think otherwise.

Apart from the Chelsea debacle, there have been a couple times where we should have qualified for the CL. When we qualified for the CL we spent a pittance. 6.5 million for Sandro and of course the excellent last minute transfer of VDV for 8 million.

In January when we really needed to strengthen the best we could do is Piennar for 3 million and Khumalo for 1.5 million.

Hey bigggg spenderrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Pathetic for a club with aspirations of regular CL football.

No doubt that that transfer window was a wasted opportunity.

But after amortisation of player contracts was taken into account, we made a profit of £0.4m that year.

.......Four hundred thousand pounds.

There was no vast pile of money that the club was hoarding.

So many people repeatedly forget that player costs are twofold - transfer costs AND wages. And you're right that we spent comparatively little on transfer fees that year (though the £39.5m amortisation costs were evidence of the fact that we were still paying heavily for transfer spending in previous years). But operating expenses rose a massive 35%, largely because of a vastly increased wage bill.

So, yes, "hey, big spender" isn't so very wide of the mark.

I think 18 million was about 3million more than Carrick was worth imo.

I would say more like £6m but, either way, the point still remains that Levy got more than Carrick was worth at the time.

 

[jambreck]

And we're spiralling in decline for what reasons that hasn't got Levy's fingerprints on then?

I know that, the reference was about selling him. I was being silly because there's no way you could possibly be sure Levy would not have sold him for £50m or not. It is very possible that he would have.

Levy drives a hard bargain. Fuck me, it's ridiculous that he's got by for so long pretty much on the back of getting a good deal for a player. There's absolutely no way that he shouldn't be held at least partly responsible for what's going on at Spurs and it's quite right that questions are finally being asked of him.

I keep seeing people say things like "he's made mistakes", like a throwaway line and then defending him from everything. So i'd like someone from the BSoDL to let us know exactly where Levy HAS gone wrong.

If we'd supported half our managers with even a half of the resolve, understanding and latitude being shown to Levy it's entirely possible that we wouldn't be such a fuckup of a club right now.

I've said it before and here it is again.
Financial stuff? In Levy I trust. No question.
Football decisions? well, lets put it this way, if he were going to a fancy dress party it wouldn't surprise me if he went dressed as Ronald McDonald

As I said to Mullers, it was a hypothetical scenario and not meant to be taken literally. It's not the kind of thing that I would normally bother with but since NEVILLEB had gone down that route, it seemed only fair to follow suit.

As to why Levy still gets support despite his mistakes, I can't speak for others but my reasons are perfectly simple.

As I've said numerous times in this and other threads, it comes down to looking at the big picture. Too many people, who rush to shout "Levy out", fail to see the wood for the trees.

Are we light years ahead of where we were when Levy took over? Yes.
Despite the recent on field disappointments, are the foundations of the club stronger than they have probably ever been? Yes.
Does Levy still have a vision and great ambition to take the club even further, without ever risking its future with imprudent spending? Yes.
Has any obvious and compelling candidate stepped forward who could do a better job or inject massive funds into the club? No.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Lilbaz]

Levy drives a hard bargain. Fuck me, it's ridiculous that he's got by for so long pretty much on the back of getting a good deal for a player. There's absolutely no way that he shouldn't be held at least partly responsible for what's going on at Spurs and it's quite right that questions are finally being asked of him.

I keep seeing people say things like "he's made mistakes", like a throwaway line and then defending him from everything. So i'd like someone from the BSoDL to let us know exactly where Levy HAS gone wrong.

If we'd supported half our managers with even a half of the resolve, understanding and latitude being shown to Levy it's entirely possible that we wouldn't be such a fuckup of a club right now.

I've said it before and here it is again.
Financial stuff? In Levy I trust. No question.
Football decisions? well, lets put it this way, if he were going to a fancy dress party it wouldn't surprise me if he went dressed as Ronald McDonald

Levy went wrong by sacking harry. By not communicating well enough with the fans, and by wanting to go for young up and oming anagers rather than established proven ones. He chose badly in comoli for dof.
Not buying certain players i cannot judge as i don't know the finances. All i know is that we haven't made much (if any) profit over the last 5 years. But we have built a new training round and are building a ne stadium. To me this shows that levy is looking long term rather than short term.
Would we be in better sape if big joe ploughed in a couple of hundred mil over the years. Most probably. But tthats not the type of man he is or will be. I accepted that when he took over and ignore all the itk that he's going to put in blah blah.
We also get linked with numerous players that don't come off and then get pissed at levy for not sealing the deal with very little information.

 

[shelfboy68]

If Levy was at Liverpool, they wouldn't have crashed out of the top four for the past four years.

And since you have obviously failed to notice, Levy tends to drive a hard bargain and get prices for players that few others could hope to achieve.

So no.......he wouldn't have fucking sold Suarez for £40m + £1. Nor would he have sold for £50m, as Liverpool's bosses likely would have done.

Jambreck yes Levy does drive a hard bargain but at what price in the last couple of seasons his Fucking about right up to the last day has had an impact on the start of the season.
It's usually a negative effect with us struggling to get going until new ones come in on deadline day a farcical way of doing business.