Is Redknapp Tactically good Enough!

[BringBack_leGin]

If we finish, I dunno, 6th this season, and our manager gets sacked for it, we'll have far less chance of finishing top 4 next season than if he's kept in place and allowed to complement the positives of our squad with more positives.

 

[yiddy_yiddingham]

If the Hudd scored his open goal or laid it off to Crouch and Keane (who Harry brought on) scored his chance would everyone have still been saying Harry is tactically inept?

His tactics outdone money bags Man City and Rafa Benitez (who goes to the Champions League Champions) in the Premiership last season against the odds....he got 9 points off those?

All the knicker wetting isn't justified....Harry proved his tactics were right to beat Arsenal and Chelsea when everyone called for his head.

He's done his job and more in less time than most imagined.

 

[adiepf]

If we finish, I dunno, 6th this season, and our manager gets sacked for it, we'll have far less chance of finishing top 4 next season than if he's kept in place and allowed to complement the positives of our squad with more positives.

i disagree.....

if we finish 6th with our squad H should be shot!....there are plenty of managers who could get more out of that squad imo....

 

[Spurs_Bear]

not quite no....

but martin jol was replaced for failing to get above 5th with a far worse squad than harry....ok spursbear lets throw you a question...

where would we have to finish for you to replace Harry?

I don't think it's that simple adie, there isn't a 'must finish in x place to keep job'. I'm more bothered about how the players are playing, whether it appears that the fans and them have lost faith in the manager and aren't pulling in the same direction. Which was categorically clear under Ramos, the players clearly hated the atmosphere, as did the fans, even Pavlyuchenko claimed it was like having a weight removed from round their neck, as did Benny Ass say something similar only more recently.

Martin Jol was a fantastic bloke, and I loved him, and I'm pretty sure he loved me too, but he was the most tactically inept manager we have had since I can remember. We finished 5th the second season thanks to Berba and Keane. I didn't want him to be sacked, as he reignited my love for the club. And I was at the Getafe game when it got announced, and joined in with the Levy 'you're a ****' chanting.

Harry gets more things right than he does wrong, that's not a discussion topic, he must do, otherwise he wouldn't have the statistical record that he does have.

At the moment things are good, club wise, we are just in a bad bit of form. How would you feel if you supported Everton? You'd have to have someone with you mate to make sure there weren't any sharp objects around you.

Just. Chill. Out. That's all you need to do, we have a Champions League game on Wednesday, and that's awesome.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Nearly as ludicrous as your claim that Obika is better than Bent

At bear ofc.

Depends on your opinion I guess.

I'm not going to wet my pants every time he shanks a penalty into the ground or scores with his cock if that's what you mean.

 

[adiepf]

If the Hudd scored his open goal or laid it off to Crouch and Keane (who Harry brought on) scored his chance would everyone have still been saying Harry is tactically inept?

His tactics outdone money bags Man City and Rafa Benitez (who goes to the Champions League Champions) in the Premiership last season against the odds....he got 9 points off those?

All the knicker wetting isn't justified....Harry proved his tactics were right to beat Arsenal and Chelsea when everyone called for his head.

He's done his job and more in less time than most imagined.

if we dont maintain this season he HAS to be replaced......people will soon start moaning when we are in the EL....wait & see...but lets hope he is a genious like peeps on here think cos then my beloved club will be achieving & not sliding.....thats all i want!

 

[brett.spurs]

If we finished top this season and won the CL, but the following season we only finished 2nd and won nothing, would you want him out then too?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

If we finished top this season and won the CL, but the following season we only finished 2nd and won nothing, would you want him out then too?

Exactamundo b.s.....you little Darren Bent loving beauty.

 

[Breezer]

sometimes i really hate this site...

people are persecuted for opinions...its ridiculous it really is...

he isnt on his own, i agree with the fella & loads more do as well.....we are playing terribly & there is no sign of improvement....weve signed a world class player in VDV & yet we are about as creative as west brom (less judging by our game against them & theres against arsenal)...so there IS a problem...

the buck has to stop somewhere & im afraid the manager is responsible for getting the best out of his staff in every job on the planet...

my opinion is this....is harry tactically naive?-yes!....if we finish lower than 4th & without a trophy should he be replaced?-yes

the end of the season will tell all & i hope (cos i love the club & it comes first) that we are in that top 4 or have an FA cup under our belts.....but if not then we are big enough to get someone else who can...

for those who think H can do no wrong...WAKE UP!!...he is just as capable of doing wrong as he is good like any manager....its when the bad outways the good we have to start worrying...i think its going that way...i hope im wrong..

to everyone who persecuted kkmel....have a balanced argument for gods sake....H is god, H is god, H is god...just isnt good enough!

:clap:

HARRY IS GOD! WE WILL WIN CL AND EPL! WE HAVE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD!

1000 reps coming my way :dance:

 

[adiepf]

I don't think it's that simple adie, there isn't a 'must finish in x place to keep job'. I'm more bothered about how the players are playing, whether it appears that the fans and them have lost faith in the manager and aren't pulling in the same direction. Which was categorically clear under Ramos, the players clearly hated the atmosphere, as did the fans, even Pavlyuchenko claimed it was like having a weight removed from round their neck, as did Benny Ass say something similar only more recently.

Martin Jol was a fantastic bloke, and I loved him, and I'm pretty sure he loved me too, but he was the most tactically inept manager we have had since I can remember. We finished 5th the second season thanks to Berba and Keane. I didn't want him to be sacked, as he reignited my love for the club. And I was at the Getafe game when it got announced, and joined in with the Levy 'you're a ****' chanting.

Harry gets more things right than he does wrong, that's not a discussion topic, he must do, otherwise he wouldn't have the statistical record that he does have.

At the moment things are good, club wise, we are just in a bad bit of form. How would you feel if you supported Everton? You'd have to have someone with you mate to make sure there weren't any sharp objects around you.

Just. Chill. Out. That's all you need to do, we have a Champions League game on Wednesday, and that's awesome.

i agree entirely with your comments fella.....

the point im trying to make is that our performances this season (so far) have been on the whole pretty shambolic & after last years performance & squad enhancements, not to add the fact the players have gotten to the champions league groups we should be confident & flying...

we arent....we dont look like we will any time soon either...

perspective is needed & i am saying if H fails he deserves no better treatment than JOL because he has failed with a squad which is 1000000 miles better...

 

[adiepf]

If we finished top this season and won the CL, but the following season we only finished 2nd and won nothing, would you want him out then too?

nope....because we would be consistently achieving which is what im asking for....

it what we all should be asking for...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

i disagree.....

if we finish 6th with our squad H should be shot!....there are plenty of managers who could get more out of that squad imo....

This is even with the fact that there is the top 3, who have been the best 3 clubs in the country for the past decade, there's City, who have bought some superb players all over the pitch, and there's still the potential of Liverpool to finally click into gear, remember that in Torres and Gerrard they have two players who would walk into every other Premiership line up without questions.

Yes, we have some very good players. Modric is well on his way to being great, Van der Vaart too, and Bales potential is limitless. We also have areas where we severely fall down. Our best centre back, King, has his obvious injury issues. Dawson doesn't have the best injury record either, predating his transfer to us. Woodgate will probably never bee seen again. Gallas is yet to show that he is what he was. Kaboul has gotten injured at an awful time, when he was beginning to make me think he'd become our first choice central defender and Bassong seems to be very inconsistent unless partnered by someone more experienced. We have a left back who can be superb for 9/10 of a game and then do something insane. We have two right backs who can both range from the absolutely brilliant to the god awful. Our other left back option happens to be our best left winger. The potential tippy tappy replacements for the likes of VDV and Modric are Kranjcar and Giovani, one of whom is terribly inconsistent and the other of whom has yet to ever do anything for us in league football. Then you have engines of the team, Jenas, Hudd and Palacios. Not one of these has proven themselves to be consistently at their higher levels, all three range, like the right backs, from brilliant to rubbish. And beyond all this, Keane is looking less and less likely to return to former glories, Crouch is just not that much of a threat, Pavlyuchenko has 5 bad games for every 1 good and Defoe only ever seems to be on fire in the first half of a season, and this season he is injured for the first half of the season! Oh, and then there's Aaron 'can't recover from injuries' Lennon and David 'lets start ball juggling on the halfway line' Bentley.

For what it's worth, I rate our squad very highly, but I have highlighted all of our negatives just to make a point that, to be doing well with our talented but flawed collection of players, Harry must be doing something pretty well along the line. I think our first choice line up, and its back up, is bloody good. I also think the same can be said of Utd, Citeh, Arsenal and Chavski, while Liverpool, as said, have the two players in this league most able to carry a club, as they proved by almost winning the league a few seasons back.

Oh, and if you really hate this site, no problem, I'm sure they'll take you on GG or somewhere like that.

 

[rich75]

i agree entirely with your comments fella.....

the point im trying to make is that our performances this season (so far) have been on the whole pretty shambolic & after last years performance & squad enhancements, not to add the fact the players have gotten to the champions league groups we should be confident & flying...

we arent....we dont look like we will any time soon either...

perspective is needed & i am saying if H fails he deserves no better treatment than JOL because he has failed with a squad which is 1000000 miles better...

well, it's a viewpoint you're entitled to, but on the other hand sacking Jol didn't exactly lead to 2 of the greatest years in our history did it? Sure we won the CC but we also nearly got relegated and looked like shit most weekends.

The one thing that we need is continuity and unless we end up in the bottom half of the table with most of the squad on strike then that is, imo what we should have.

 

[yiddy_yiddingham]

It's full of post Euro 96 fans in here.

If I knew how to do that head banging icon I would.

 

[Damian99]

How many people posting in this thread have ever taken charge of a football team(in real fucking life terms) at any level??

How many on here have a coaching badge??

Sat in your fucking arm chair picking your teams and then having the benefit of hindsight after watching MOTD and then deciding who did what wrong and when and who should have played instead, is slightly easier than having to do it for real.

Give up your day jobs and start on your coaching careers and who knows the way some of you talk on here, i see no reason why you shouldn't be in charge of Tottenham yourselves.

 

[yiddy_yiddingham]

Classic Damian!!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

i agree entirely with your comments fella.....

the point im trying to make is that our performances this season (so far) have been on the whole pretty shambolic & after last years performance & squad enhancements, not to add the fact the players have gotten to the champions league groups we should be confident & flying...

we arent....we dont look like we will any time soon either...

perspective is needed & i am saying if H fails he deserves no better treatment than JOL because he has failed with a squad which is 1000000 miles better...

That's where I'm asking you to chill out dude. Wolves we won, we were ok, not bad. Wigan we were gash, granted. Arsenal, our reserves were poor. West Ham, they played really well and we weren't as good.

Man City we were fucking awesome in the first half, ok in the second. Stoke we were good, second leg of the CL we were good. Bremen away first half we were disgustingly fantastic.

It's swings and roundabouts, and if people are going to make threads like these (obviously you didn't make this...) when we don't play well, then by using the same logic they should come in here claiming knighthoods for our players and management when we do play well. Otherwise it's too inconsistent.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

How many people posting in this thread have ever taken charge of a football team(in real fucking life terms) at any level??

How many on here have a coaching badge??

Sat in your fucking arm chair picking your teams and then having the benefit of hindsight after watching MOTD and then deciding who did what wrong and when and who should have played instead, is slightly easier than having to do it for real.

Give up your day jobs and start on your coaching careers and who knows the way some of you talk on here, i see no reason why you shouldn't be in charge of Tottenham yourselves.

I was manager of S****horpe for 6 days, but I couldn't put up with the censor evasion so I quit.

 

[Mr Pink]

This is even with the fact that there is the top 3, who have been the best 3 clubs in the country for the past decade, there's City, who have bought some superb players all over the pitch, and there's still the potential of Liverpool to finally click into gear, remember that in Torres and Gerrard they have two players who would walk into every other Premiership line up without questions.

Yes, we have some very good players. Modric is well on his way to being great, Van der Vaart too, and Bales potential is limitless. We also have areas where we severely fall down. Our best centre back, King, has his obvious injury issues. Dawson doesn't have the best injury record either, predating his transfer to us. Woodgate will probably never bee seen again. Gallas is yet to show that he is what he was. Kaboul has gotten injured at an awful time, when he was beginning to make me think he'd become our first choice central defender and Bassong seems to be very inconsistent unless partnered by someone more experienced. We have a left back who can be superb for 9/10 of a game and then do something insane. We have two right backs who can both range from the absolutely brilliant to the god awful. Our other left back option happens to be our best left winger. The potential tippy tappy replacements for the likes of VDV and Modric are Kranjcar and Giovani, one of whom is terribly inconsistent and the other of whom has yet to ever do anything for us in league football. Then you have engines of the team, Jenas, Hudd and Palacios. Not one of these has proven themselves to be consistently at their higher levels, all three range, like the right backs, from brilliant to rubbish. And beyond all this, Keane is looking less and less likely to return to former glories, Crouch is just not that much of a threat, Pavlyuchenko has 5 bad games for every 1 good and Defoe only ever seems to be on fire in the first half of a season, and this season he is injured for the first half of the season! Oh, and then there's Aaron 'can't recover from injuries' Lennon and David 'lets start ball juggling on the halfway line' Bentley.

For what it's worth, I rate our squad very highly, but I have highlighted all of our negatives just to make a point that, to be doing well with our talented but flawed collection of players, Harry must be doing something pretty well along the line. I think our first choice line up, and its back up, is bloody good. I also think the same can be said of Utd, Citeh, Arsenal and Chavski, while Liverpool, as said, have the two players in this league most able to carry a club, as they proved by almost winning the league a few seasons back.

Oh, and if you really hate this site, no problem, I'm sure they'll take you on GG or somewhere like that.

Totally disagree with that statement. Huddlestone was nothing but consistent throughout all of last season (in the main, sure he has off days), something Jenas has not achieved in the 5 years he's been here. To lump them into together is a complete disservice to Huddlestone and the strides he has made in the last year or so. Palacios too was consistent until his decline started....Jenas has yet to prove anything over any sustained period of time...infact the 4 games or so he has played in this season are the best he's played - in terms of consecutive games for us.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Totally disagree with that statement. Huddlestone was nothing but consistent throughout all of last season (in the main, sure he has off days), something Jenas has not achieved in the 5 years he's been here. To lump them into together is a complete disservice to Huddlestone and the strides he has made in the last year or so. Palacios too was consistent until his decline started....Jenas has yet to prove anything over any sustained period of time...infact the 4 games or so he has played in this season are the best he's played - in terms of consecutive games for us.

I'd say Jenas first season was a very good one. A young player who performed at a high level. He was injured for the majority of the second season, but his return to the side, coupled wit Kings and combined with Keane and Berba figuring eachother out, signalled our charge to 5th place that season. It is since then that I have issue with him.

Huddlestone started this season superbly, but from Wigan home onwards I've been left unsatisfied by him every time, with his last outing being his worst in a very long time.

Palacios was superb in his first half season, and very good (after his brother dying, it should be noted) for the first half of last season. Somewhere along the lines something went wrong, a since last January we've looked far better with him than without him.

I didn't say Huddlestone wasn't a better player than Jenas, I believe he is. I said that his performances range from brilliant to rubbish. All he needs is one brilliant performance and one rubbish performance in a season and that will be an accurate statement, and within these first few games I suggest that he has provided examples of both.

I take it you didn't read my entire point or you'd have picked up on my confessed exaggeration, not to mention on the fact that the Hudd/ JJ/ Palacios thing was merely a fragment of the post as a whole, rather than the crux of it.