Is this the most embarrassing defeat?

[double0]

This season we've taken some hidings but 5-1 at Wembley is hard to stomach. For me Harry Redknapp's lost the dressing room.

 

[sweyid]

Losing is on thing, giving up is a completely different matter. We gave up last night, we gave up against Arsenal, it's infuriating. I can accept a loss, specially if its a hard fought loss, but giving up is the worst thing there is and sadly we do it so often.

 

[stevenqoz]

No doesn't come close. The 5-0 defeat at home to Arsenal is the benchmark. On the day because me and a mate were in the Park Lane and couldn't get out. Generally, because if you live in an area where your friends, neighbours, work-mates and family are split between gooners and spurs fans you are surrounded by it, immersed in it and llive it until the next time you play. Some on here have probably never met an Arsenal fan and it is abstract not personal. Losing to Chelsea at any time is well back imo.

 

[Mullers]

Arsenal was worse, losing 5 - 3 to Man united after being 3 goals up was worse, losing 3 - 2 to leicester city after being 2 goals up was worse, being 3-0 up against Man city in the FA cup and losing 4-3 was worse, Losing to watford 5-1 in the mid eighties was worse, I won't go on, you get the picture.

 

[sunnydelight786]

I did say relative to the squad we had at that time. In 01-02 NO WAY was our team/squad good enough to compete with the then champions who had added Veron and RVN that summer hence losing 5-3 was poor on our part, but United were a class team. Yesterday and against the goons in Feb no way are their teams 5-1 and 5-2 better than us and in both games we were favs going into them......

 

[saintlyspur]

I was at anfield when we lost 7-0 and living in an area where liverpool fans are everywhere.Its a long time ago but I will never forget it as on the day we were lucky it could of been a lot worse.yesterdays defeat wont be hauting me in 33 years time

 

[mattyspurs]

I know alot of you, if not all of you, including me, are gutted by this result yesterday. The stage it was on, London rivals, coming off the back of a god amlightly shit slump. But this is not embarrasing, i'm upset, gutted, use anything you want to explain it, but embarassed, no.

One poster has alrwady said it. The '90s were an embaressment, pretty much all of it. We had some horrible horrible results, we were literally the laughing stock of football, for a whole decade, near as dammit.

I wanted the win, I was sticking up for the FA cup last week, so I feel awful, but aslong as we pick ourselves and secure Champions League football for next season, Your "emabarresment" will soon be forgotten about.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

It was gutting, I wouldn't call it embarrassing.

Losing 4-1 at home to Newcastle in 2008 was embarrassing.

 

[Mullers]

I did say relative to the squad we had at that time. In 01-02 NO WAY was our team/squad good enough to compete with the then champions who had added Veron and RVN that summer hence losing 5-3 was poor on our part, but United were a class team. Yesterday and against the goons in Feb no way are their teams 5-1 and 5-2 better than us and in both games we were favs going into them......

Class team or not to actually lose the game by 2 goals after being 3 up was disgusting. They scored the goals (ok one wasn't scored) so they were 4-1 and 5-2 better than us. When we beat Arsenal 5-1 we were not 5-1 better than them but it all counts I am afraid.

 

[double0]

Thats what leads me to think Harry's lost the dressing Room because we just gave up not once but on 6 occations this season by my counting twice agaisnt ManU, ManC at home, Arsenal away, Chelsea at Wembley, Norwich at home.

ManC away was a crushing defeat it was such a close game we were so close to winning that game to then concede an injury time pen an lose was crashing, that twisted our fate... since than the players have clearly given up. Its nothing to do with leaders on the pitch we have good characters and most importantly gifted players. The Management team Redknapp and Co. have not been able to mentally correct the flaws systematically enough with clear instruction (Harry's statements in the press are confusing) continuation in training and tactics clearly it's not been happening a simple key visual indicator was our free kicks and corner and Lennon's injury Harry completely dismantled Bale's game.

For me they has been no visible changes to suggest otherwise apart from Kaboul giving up on a blast from free kick. The tactics against big teams has basically been a two man midfield with wingers and that just dosent work the joke of it though is Harry has basically come out and said that everytime we've lost (teams have sussed it out) but continues to gamble, Harry favourite comments ' I took a gamble and played 4 forwards' how very poor a lazy is that not a very good example for the kids....gamblings a very poor habbit.

The best teams in the world play 4231 or 433 from Barcelona to Spain (not far ) Even Arsen Wenger changed a couple seasons back Arseanl formation and sticks to a religous 433. Ferguson does the same his prepared to move Rooney around to keep shape....Harry just isnt learning quickly enough.

Redknapp goes on about open were to open he spouts but still takes no notice of his own statements.

 

[shakus]

I was thinking about this on the way home after the game.

You have to go back to the inception of the premiership to remember. The last time we lost 3 or more games by 5 goals or more was in 92/93 when we lost to Leeds 5-0, Sheff Utd 6-0 and Liverpool 6-2, even in the mid nineties with Ardiles & Gross etc we managed to keep the really heavy defeats to a couple, the majority being by the odd goal or two, or 0-3,0-4.

In terms of cup defeats this is on par with being 3 up on our own patch vs Man City 3-4 as yesterday was a cup semi final Wembley, so arguably on a bigger stage to fall.

The other thing is we try to block out bad memories as much as possible, until the next one boots you in the knackers.

For me, as this is the now, this hurts more than ever.

 

[Montasura]

Very very painful defeat but far from being the most embarassing in my opinion.

for me the one that will always stick in my mind was about 10 years ago (can't remember exactly what year it was) when we were 3-0 up on United at half time and the fuckers put 5 past us in the second half.

generally thos are the ones that embarass me the most, where we have a commanding lead or are completely in charge of the game only to let it all slip away in a relatively short period of time. In my opinion no team should ever be capable of throwing away a 3-0 lead in the space of 45 minutes!!!

 

[montylynch]

Every defeat hurts, but as others have said, we've had more embarrassing results. What would be embarrassing is carrying on with this form and ending the season below Newcastle and Chelsea. We would be a laughing stock, and what would happen... H pisses off to England with a lovely pay packet, all smiles and triffic stuff whilst the new manager has to pick the bones out of whose staying, whose going, who wants to join and who doesn't want to join. He's left to pick up a team that's on the bones of it's arses after imploding so dramatically.

The whole team needs to look at itself and decide where they want to go from here, if they want to give up then fine, tell us, tell us they've had enough. If they want to fight on, prove to us that they have it in them. Go all out against QPR to show us that they can still do it. If we lose on Saturday our season is over. The heads will be on the beach, at other clubs or thinking of bigger pay cheques. No matter what HR says from here on in, it won't matter a jot.

 

[JollyHappy]

Every defeat hurts, but as others have said, we've had more embarrassing results. What would be embarrassing is carrying on with this form and ending the season below Newcastle and Chelsea. We would be a laughing stock, and what would happen... H pisses off to England with a lovely pay packet, all smiles and triffic stuff whilst the new manager has to pick the bones out of whose staying, whose going, who wants to join and who doesn't want to join. He's left to pick up a team that's on the bones of it's arses after imploding so dramatically.

The whole team needs to look at itself and decide where they want to go from here, if they want to give up then fine, tell us, tell us they've had enough. If they want to fight on, prove to us that they have it in them. Go all out against QPR to show us that they can still do it. If we lose on Saturday our season is over. The heads will be on the beach, at other clubs or thinking of bigger pay cheques. No matter what HR says from here on in, it won't matter a jot.

Totally Agree - To be honest in terms of results and cost, the loss to Portsmouth was worse as we had much the better team "on paper" and a win would have put us through to play Cardiff. But countless more embarrasing results over 40 years of supporting Spurs.

I do agree that throwing away 3rd or 4th will be worse (and yes we can still make 3rd!)

 

[kdspur]

Losing is on thing, giving up is a completely different matter. We gave up last night, we gave up against Arsenal, it's infuriating. I can accept a loss, specially if its a hard fought loss, but giving up is the worst thing there is and sadly we do it so often.

totally agree here.

the bottom line is there is no fight at all or sense of pride or ambition in spurs players.

they lack the desire, hunger and character to do anything much imvho. the better ones will be plucked off by united and city in time.

flew over from ireland yesterday at 6 in morning , spent day at liverpool street and wembley amongst fellow spurs and to be subjected to that pile of shit performance is nothing short of a joke come 6pm. and peoples excuses are the ref and harry!! yes he made sentimental bullshit decison on playing cudicini instead of brad but he picked best team he cud. yet the players failed miserbaly again. We are soft as shit and everyone knows it.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Being a Wembley FA Cup semi final and being a good side and losing to a London rival is embarrassing but we've had many many worse and more embarrassing days

Two that stand out for me were:

Losing 0-4 to Blackburn on the last game of a season at home!

Losing 1-6 (should have been 7 but the ref felt sorry for us) away in the league cup at the old Bolton who were a division below us!

 

[Montasura]

Come to think of it, Lasagnagate was pretty fucking embarrassing!!!!