Jack Butland

[SlickMongoose]

If there was any hint that Ter Stegen might be available, i'm sure we'd give it a shot, along with every other club in Europe.

 

[Jules77]

I do think that such things as pass success rate are relevant in this case given how important a "sweeper keeper" is to AVB's intended method of play. Of course that's not to say that there aren't some other more important aspects of goalkeeping unshown amongst those stats, but those displayed are not insignificant imo.

but there is no context.

What if ter steegan's manager told him to never pass the ball long - what would you think of the stats then?

long ball success is as much to do with the number of and ariel ability of front men, what do gladbach look like up front?

how many of gladbach's opponents play a high pressing game? this will affect passing rate and short or long decisions

obviously, how good are the defenders? how far up the field do the full backs play? how adept are they on the ball?

saves percentage - impacted by defence, are opposition limited to shots outside the box? were ALL goals concede from corners?!?! that would automatically make a keeper a nonstarter, regardless of all other stats.

i could go on and on

 

[Jules77]

Er, ok, if you like...

If we spend £7m on him and he doesn't make the grade as you put it, who is going to buy him off us for the same sort of money we paid for him?

7m isn't reasonable in my eyes. You use Hart as an example of how this deal could work yet he cost under a million didn't he?

If Butland has a good season as Brums number 1 then £7m is justified, perhaps a little more, but I can't see us spunking that much on someone as unproven as he is. We don't have billions we can throw about.

yeah, you may be right.. but he has more plaudits than hart at this stage. i think people who watch training etc will have seen him play a lot more than us and so hopefully will make a balanced decision

i suppose $7m doesn't seem a massive amount to me anymore.

And we also don't exactly have a reputation of splashing cash irresponsibly. i can't see why we would start now. I imagine we will pay what we think he's worth. Even if it doesn't work out, and we can't get full price back, we'd still get something!! so it isn't a $7m gamble..

 

[Snuzzy]

It would put him a shade under Gomes, who when we bought him was a proven goalkeeper, the best in the Dutch league who had set new clean sheet records and was a leader in his team.

 

[Jules77]

anyone watch him tonight?
i know 45 mins is only 45 mins, but to those who maybe automatically dismiss him because his name isn't 'foreign' enough, check out the footage.
Again, i think whoever decides to spend 7m will be laughing last. Would love us to buy, even if we loan him out for a year.

 

[Parkie]

I'd happily spend £7m on him and have him as 2nd choice - with the potential to step up and challenge Granpa Brad on what he's shown tonight.

 

[nedley]

Great 45 mins from him tonight.

My sunday league keeper - who knows his onions when it comes to football says he is the best young keeper he's ever seen live.

He's a season ticket holder at Cheltenham. Say's he was unbelievable there last season. Head and shoulders above everybody.

 

[Hitch]

I want this guy.

 

[Jules77]

ahhhh... but you see nedley, some 'experts' on here say he is 'not prem standard' or 'unproven at premiership level', therefore not worth 7m. i can only assume that those of us who have actually seen him play are missing something.

 

[Montasura]

ahhhh... but you see nedley, some 'experts' on here say he is 'not prem standard' or 'unproven at premiership level', therefore not worth 7m. i can only assume that those of us who have actually seen him play are missing something.

Well worth the £7m !! And thats not an opinion based solely on tonight's game, I would have said that before as well. He plays like a keeper ten years his senior and the thought of him not working out and us not getting any money back for him is just silly IMO.

 

[danielneeds]

ahhhh... but you see nedley, some 'experts' on here say he is 'not prem standard' or 'unproven at premiership level', therefore not worth 7m. i can only assume that those of us who have actually seen him play are missing something.

I don't think it is incorrect to say be IS unproven at PL and £7M is a hell of a lot of money for a keeper with his experience. That is not to say it could not shrewd in a few years time, but it is hard to judge him. I mean, Ian Walker looked magic at 18-19 and he turned out to be an absolute turd.

 

[fatpiranha]

Outstanding performance when he came on in the 2nd half tonight against a top class Brazilian team. If we are interested we need to move soon. I doubt we'll get him for less than £10M given the premium on young English players.

 

[Mattbob]

An hour ago lloris was the best think since sliced bread - now butland is the one! Butland would be a cheaper bet!

 

[King of Otters]

Great 45 mins from him tonight.

My sunday league keeper - who knows his onions when it comes to football says he is the best young keeper he's ever seen live.

Hm, sounds promising.

He's a season ticket holder at Cheltenham.

Oh....

 

[Hoopspur]

Absolute yes from me. Even if he turns out to be a disaster (which he wouldn't), then we could probably get half our money back. All the reports so far have been excellent.

Only thing is what do you do in the meantime? I reckon play hardball - Lloris for 12m Euros or forget it. We will get him for that if we buy Butland.

 

[Jules77]

I don't think it is incorrect to say be IS unproven at PL and £7M is a hell of a lot of money for a keeper with his experience. That is not to say it could not shrewd in a few years time, but it is hard to judge him. I mean, Ian Walker looked magic at 18-19 and he turned out to be an absolute turd.

well, sure.. he hasn't played in the premiership, or a top league, so he is 'unproven' if you are being literal. But the world is a little less cut and dried than that. it's not quite like walker (who wasn't a bad keeper even after 19yo! not worlds best, but certainly prem standard!), as ask anyone who coach/pundit/manager/player has worked with or watched JB and you'll hear the same message from all of them. and my eyes haven't told me any different.

I would argue his lack of experience is a plus! he is this good and he's hardly started yet!! Again, for us, we can afford to buy and loan for a year. worst case he doesn't quite make it and we sell on for a small loss. not many signs point to that happening. Didn't fergie shy away from joe hart when he didn't have much 'experience'?

 

[Jules77]

Absolute yes from me. Even if he turns out to be a disaster (which he wouldn't), then we could probably get half our money back. All the reports so far have been excellent.

Only thing is what do you do in the meantime? I reckon play hardball - Lloris for 12m Euros or forget it. We will get him for that if we buy Butland.

in the meantime we have Brad! i would be happy to go with Brad for one more year.

 

[Montasura]

An hour ago lloris was the best think since sliced bread - now butland is the one! Butland would be a cheaper bet!

Oh, as much as I think Butland is worth a £7m outlay I would still rather we went for Lloris, simply because of his (albeit few) extra years of experience. That said, he is likely to cost at least double. Ultimately I don't think we should be forking out that kind of money UNTIL or UNLESS we have first sorted out a) our front line, and b) a Modric replacement. These are our priorities and need to be sorted before a keeper, and if that means we have no cash left for a keeper then so be it.

 

[liam17oi]

Butland will cost considerably more than £7 million. £10+ million you're looking at.

Good performance but it was the first time I saw him and everyone knows not to judge on one game, right?

 

[chinaman]

ahhhh... but you see nedley, some 'experts' on here say he is 'not prem standard' or 'unproven at premiership level', therefore not worth 7m. i can only assume that those of us who have actually seen him play are missing something.

Most important of all is will Levy rate him at 7 million?