Jack Butland

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Spurs try £7m potshot to land Butland and club will listen to offers for Van der Vaart

By Sami Mokbel
PUBLISHED: 22:45, 5 July 2012 | UPDATED: 22:46, 5 July 2012

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Tottenham are considering a £7million bid for Birmingham goalkeeper Jack Butland and are ready to listen to offers for Rafael van der Vaart.
Birmingham have rejected a £6m offer from Southampton for Butland but Tottenham may consent to a deal that allows him to stay on loan for a season.

Think there's been some ITK on this as well.

Has anyone seen 'the boy' play? Is he more Joe Hart or Ben Foster?

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

He's said to be better than Joe Hart was at his age

 

[Higginz]

He's a very good goalkeeper for his age. Better than Joe Hart at the same age is impossible to tell but he certainly has the potential to push Joe hard for the England spot in the future.

He was fantastic at Cheltenham last season and was clearly too good to be playing in L2. In my personal opinion he is ready for Championship football. He's a good shot stopper with very good distribution. If there was 1 aspect of his game I'd say he needs to work on I'd say it's his communication with his defenders, but that'll come with age, experience and game time.

If he does leave Birmingham for a PL side this summer then he simply has to go out on loan. The kid needs first team football. Sitting on the bench will ruin him.

 

[Snuzzy]

This is crazy money for anyone not already of Prem standard.

Ben Alnwick was supposed to become an excellent keeper ffs.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

He's said to be better than Joe Hart was at his age

Not sure how anyone would know. He's barely played for anyone!

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Not if we have to sacrifice Rafa.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Not if we have to sacrifice Rafa.

I don't think the deals are connected in any way. It's not like one must happen for the other to happen on anything!

 

[Higginz]

This is crazy money for anyone not already of Prem standard.

Ben Alnwick was supposed to become an excellent keeper ffs.

Butland is already streets ahead of Alnwick.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Butland is already streets ahead of Alnwick.

I'm streets ahead of Alnwick. And I've never played in goal, ever.

 

[Jules77]

Not sure how anyone would know. He's barely played for anyone!

I've heard multiple 'quotes' from 'experts' (journos, BBC pundits, ex players etc) in and around the england camp in the Euros. Their clear message was that this guy is incredible. A few said they expected him to challenge Joe Hart, that's how highly he is rated.

This is crazy money for anyone not already of Prem standard.

Ben Alnwick was supposed to become an excellent keeper ffs.

Given how highly he is rated, last chance to buy him at a reasonable price. Alnwick was never thought of as highly as Butland is! Of course it's a risk, but then, we can't always buy $20m finished-articles! You make calculated risks, and most would think this has a favourable risk/benefit profile.

As i mentioned in another thread, it also seems perfect timing for us. Brad has 1 more season, so get this kid in, get him out on loan (loan him back as part of deal) and give him another year of learning before coming in. Basically same model as Man City took with Joe Hart. Come on - worst case we don't think he'll quite make the grade in a year's time, we sell him for about the price we paid for him.. it's a no brainer?!

 

[Ossie85]

For that kind of money I would try for ter Stegen. He's the same age, and a lot more experienced.

Look at this table done by Dimi_God on COYS

 

[SugarRay]

£7m seems massive money for a chap who has played a dozen games in league two

 

[Jules77]

For that kind of money I would try for ter Stegen. He's the same age, and a lot more experienced.

Look at this table done by Dimi_God on COYS

not really sure what we are supposed to get from this... just seems to be a collection of stats viewed without any context.

 

[DJS]

Meh doesn't have as cool a sounding name as Lloris.

 

[Jules77]

£7m seems massive money for a chap who has played a dozen games in league two

sugarray, this point has already been made, and a comeback posted... i think the next step is to address the comeback?

 

[Hitch]

For that kind of money I would try for ter Stegen. He's the same age, and a lot more experienced.

Look at this table done by Dimi_God on COYS

Some impressive stats but Gladbach are in the Champions League and appear to be quite strong financially right now. I can't see them selling.

 

[Andy]

tbh, if i wanted to know about short passes and longer passes i'd go to a statistician but i want to know how good a keeper they are and how well they command their area, the only stats there worth looking at are long ball success, goals against and saves, even then that doesn't give you a decent shots against ratio, or how many crosses he saved, whether they have a tendency to punch the ball, if they are four foot five etc.
anyone can make a chart up and highlight one specific set of facts to make someone look great.

 

[SugarRay]

sugarray, this point has already been made, and a comeback posted... i think the next step is to address the comeback?

Er, ok, if you like...

If we spend £7m on him and he doesn't make the grade as you put it, who is going to buy him off us for the same sort of money we paid for him?

7m isn't reasonable in my eyes. You use Hart as an example of how this deal could work yet he cost under a million didn't he?

If Butland has a good season as Brums number 1 then £7m is justified, perhaps a little more, but I can't see us spunking that much on someone as unproven as he is. We don't have billions we can throw about.

 

[Hitch]

tbh, if i wanted to know about short passes and longer passes i'd go to a statistician but i want to know how good a keeper they are and how well they command their area, the only stats there worth looking at are long ball success, goals against and saves, even then that doesn't give you a decent shots against ratio, or how many crosses he saved, whether they have a tendency to punch the ball, if they are four foot five etc.
anyone can make a chart up and highlight one specific set of facts to make someone look great.

I do think that such things as pass success rate are relevant in this case given how important a "sweeper keeper" is to AVB's intended method of play. Of course that's not to say that there aren't some other more important aspects of goalkeeping unshown amongst those stats, but those displayed are not insignificant imo.

 

[Ossie85]

tbh, if i wanted to know about short passes and longer passes i'd go to a statistician but i want to know how good a keeper they are and how well they command their area, the only stats there worth looking at are long ball success, goals against and saves, even then that doesn't give you a decent shots against ratio, or how many crosses he saved, whether they have a tendency to punch the ball, if they are four foot five etc.
anyone can make a chart up and highlight one specific set of facts to make someone look great.

Well, you may want to get used to because that how we're going to play. No long balls from the keeper.

The table was made with that intention.