Jake Livermore

[JAYSTAR]

Decent point! If Livermore is prepared to sty and be a role player then fair enough! Maybe why Hudd has a future at the club?

Exactly, Hudd could do something similar, so who cares if he stays as long as he is happy to sit on the bench...? Ok maybe he could just stand next to the bench.. just in case.

Seriously though, you have to have bit part players in a squad, squad rotation is really only ever periodic and rarely involves the whole squad.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I feel more loyalty towards players produced by the clubs academy. Given the opportunity to play regularly as opposed to developing players from other countries I feel they could do well. Also feel some fans are too quick to write them off because te prem has built a culture of low patience, especially for their own home grown players. Caulker is already a full England international and already a better CB at 21/22 than Kaboul was. Now Kaboul is one of the best in the league.

I don't feel any loyalty to them if they aren't good enough, that's my honest opinion. I don't agree that Caulker is better than Kaboul was, I think that Caulker lacks a lot of the qualities that AVB appears to want to instill. I think Redknapp would have appreciated Caulker more than AVB because he could have put an arm round him and told him he was the balls, wears his heart on his sleeve, is a lion etc etc amen.

I feel that Jake Livermore is even worse than Jamie O'Hara was, and I now believe that O'Hara is playing at his level. Some of you think it's ****ish, and I get a lot of stick for making these type comments, but it's genuinely how I feel.

 

[mpickard2087]

He played there a couple of times in the Harry era in Europa games and arguably looked as composed as he ever has at defensive mid (which as I argued the other day, was never his position coming through the youth ranks), but that would have been against opposition of very debatable quality.

Seems waaaaaaaaay to late in the day to convert him, wouldn't think it would be a success. But you never know I guess.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

I don't feel any loyalty to them if they aren't good enough, that's my honest opinion. I don't agree that Caulker is better than Kaboul was, I think that Caulker lacks a lot of the qualities that AVB appears to want to instill. I think Redknapp would have appreciated Caulker more than AVB because he could have put an arm round him and told him he was the balls, wears his heart on his sleeve, is a lion etc etc amen.

I feel that Jake Livermore is even worse than Jamie O'Hara was, and I now believe that O'Hara is playing at his level. Some of you think it's ****ish, and I get a lot of stick for making these type comments, but it's genuinely how I feel.

Fair enough. But we will regret letting Caulker go that's for sure!

 

[louisg]

I don't feel any loyalty to them if they aren't good enough, that's my honest opinion. I don't agree that Caulker is better than Kaboul was, I think that Caulker lacks a lot of the qualities that AVB appears to want to instill. I think Redknapp would have appreciated Caulker more than AVB because he could have put an arm round him and told him he was the balls, wears his heart on his sleeve, is a lion etc etc amen.

I feel that Jake Livermore is even worse than Jamie O'Hara was, and I now believe that O'Hara is playing at his level. Some of you think it's ****ish, and I get a lot of stick for making these type comments, but it's genuinely how I feel.

Caulker was still developing though, But AVB certainly knows more than any of us. Interesting that O'Hara hasn't been given a squad number this season at wolves and is up for transfer.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Fair enough. But we will regret letting Caulker go that's for sure!

Well no, that's where I disagree...but fair enough.

 

[Kendall]

I don't think we'll regret Caulker. He has potential to be very good and there's no way I would've been looking to sell him, but there's no guarantees and when a bid of almost £10m lands on your desk for someone like him, you take it.

 

[$hoguN]

He's a championship player.

I'm not even sure he is that good tbh. I think he will end up like Jamie O'Hara and just disappear when eventually sold.

 

[wozzahotspurs]

considering he gives away on average about 700 foul's a game, i would think this is a very bad idea. Hope we ship him out at least on loan to see if he can improve.

 

[Spurger King]

I read somewhere else that AVB was wanting to switch Livermore to CB, so there might be something to it.​

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I'm all for giving him a shot at another position. He's been sub-par in midfield. Maybe he can have a Danny Rose-like transformation.​

If AVB were to play Livermore as a CB after selling Caulker, I'd seriously have to start questioning his decision-making.

 

[$hoguN]

If AVB were to play Livermore as a CB after selling Caulker, I'd seriously have to start questioning his decision-making.

I agree with the general sentiment, however him playing him there for one match due to injuries is very different from him seeing Livermore as a better option at CB then Caulker. If it is the second one, then questions would have to be raised.

 

[double0]

At what age would you consider as a cut off point for our acdemey players?

 

[tiger666]

Would fit in well at QPR I reckon.

 

[gushayes11]

Never rated Livermore. Not mobile enough, can't tackle and his ability to spot a pass/vision not good enough. Was also the view of a Leeds fan I work with who saw bit of him when on loan there.

 

[HodisGawd]

Please Harry, give us 4mil for him!

 

[Ironskullll]

If this stuff about Livermore playing at CB is true, then it's probably AVB trying to develop a utility player who is unlikely to leave, happy to sit on the bench most of the time and fairly flexible with the position he plays.

Caulker went because of the money and to develop his career, which is fair enough. If AVB wants a slimmed down squad, then he needs some flexibility and there are always going to be players who have to be happy not doing much.. and are English which is a bonus.

Good point. You don't hear so much talk about utility players nowadays, but good ones are surely worth their weight in gold.

 

[SpurSince57]

I feel more loyalty towards players produced by the clubs academy. Given the opportunity to play regularly as opposed to developing players from other countries I feel they could do well. Also feel some fans are too quick to write them off because te prem has built a culture of low patience, especially for their own home grown players. Caulker is already a full England international and already a better CB at 21/22 than Kaboul was. Now Kaboul is one of the best in the league.

You really think so? Christ on a bicycle.

Kaboul's positional sense and discipline may have been all to cock when he joined us, but he was (and remains) a lot quicker, a lot stronger, much better in the air and far harder-tackling. Whilst I would not write off Caulker on last season's evidence, I was certainly less than whelmed given the hype after his season with Swansea.

Livermore as 4th/5th choice CB? Why not? Sure, he's not good enough for a regular starting berth there or in midfield, but he can do a decent job as back-up in either, and probably fill in as an emergency full-back too. By the same token, if someone comes in with an offer we can't refuse, take it.

 

[Misfit]

Yes. I was actually angry when kabs left the first time. Thought we'd end up regretting the decision. Thankfully it was righted and he'd done something about his hair in the meantime. Not getting the same feeling with Caulker. Who knows, maybe he blossoms over the next couple of seasons.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes. I was actually angry when kabs left the first time. Thought we'd end up regretting the decision. Thankfully it was righted and he'd done something about his hair in the meantime. Not getting the same feeling with Caulker. Who knows, maybe he blossoms over the next couple of seasons.

The way he was frozen out was appalling, and it turned out it was standard Ramos practice at Sevilla too. I actually agreed that at the time Dawson was a better partner for Woodgate, but no-one seems to have sat down with Kaboul and explained what was going on, told him he was still in our plans, etc., which was his main beef when he blew the gaff to l'Equipe. That, I think, was when people started to question Ramos.

 

[Misfit]

Yes. Appallingly shoddy way to treat another person. Just on a human level. Ugh, I can feel the bile start to rise just thinking about that period.