Jermain Defoe (to Portsmouth)

[joey55]

Get the fuck outa here. You can't dock him his penalties, there fucking goals - you can still miss them. And they used up minutes !

Defoe's GPM was better than bents last season. Despite Bent being the "main man" at charlton and defoe playing in fits and starts including coming on as sub.

It's conclusive.

So you rate a striker according to his ability to score penalties? You'd pay money for a striker who scored 15 goals a season all from the penalty spot?

 

[chrissivad]

Then shouldn't you go through all the goals and take away any that have been shinned in from 6 yards?

There will always be flause with stats, they are great at helping back up an opinion but there are just too many hols in them

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So you rate a striker according to his ability to score penalties? You'd pay money for a striker who scored 15 goals a season all from the penalty spot?

Fucking right. We'd have beat west ham and arsenal if we'd converted penalties. I'd pay for a striker just for those two.

Besides, a penalty isn't the easiest goal that a striker will score.*




* everybody knows shooting from 40 yards against Robinson is.

 

[joey55]

Fucking right. We'd have beat west ham and arsenal if we'd converted penalties. I'd pay for a striker just for those two.

Besides, a penalty isn't the easiest goal that a striker will score.*




* everybody knows shooting from 40 yards against Robinson is.

Good news for you. I think Bent has scored 6 out of 6 prem penalties. He really is you sort of player.

Why don't you just accept you've talked yourself into the Bent fan club and get his name printed on the back of your shirt.

To be honest before we started this debate, I liked them both, but probably slighlty favoured Defoe. But the more we look at it your way, the more I'm beginning to think you could be right - Bent is better!:shrug:

 

[sloth]

And there was me hoping it might be an ability to find buried treasure, open any lock, freeze time or zap an entire horde of Orcs with fireballs.

:grin: Well I don't see why not... Huddlestone for instance may have a Hulk like ability to run through brick walls for all we know, not much use on a football pitch though and I'm a bit suspicious about Berbatov and the freeze time thingy.

 

[sloth]

Fucking right. We'd have beat west ham and arsenal if we'd converted penalties. I'd pay for a striker just for those two.

Besides, a penalty isn't the easiest goal that a striker will score.*




* everybody knows shooting from 40 yards against Robinson is.

Why don't you jst accept you've talked yourself into the Bent fan club and get his name printed on the back of your shirt.

LOL both of you :lol:

 

[rez9000]

I'm sorry if I've covered atuff that has already been said. From what we can gather from the news 'services' JD wants to stay, but won't sign until he gets a guarantee that Ramos will give him more first team football.

This for me suggests a potentially dangerous situation. At the moment, the ball is very much in JD's court. He can stay, all the while not signing a new contract, and reject any club that bids for him until his contract runs out. A professional footballer wouldn't do that to himself would he? If he finds that he's not being played, will he decide to move or will he hold out until he can move on a free?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Good news for you. I think Bent has scored 6 out of 6 prem penalties. He really is you sort of player.

Why don't you just accept you've talked yourself into the Bent fan club and get his name printed on the back of your shirt.

To be honest before we started this debate, I liked them both, but probably slighlty favoured Defoe. But the more we look at it your way, the more I'm beginning to think you could be right - Bent is better!:shrug:

As ever Joey, you're like putty in my hands.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

According to the Star roll Middlesbrough are thinking of offering us Downing AND Adam Johnson for Defoe. :shrug:

 

[Kurtzen]

So, how do assess a Special Skill which is entirely unproductive?

sloth? :wink:


or, perhaps the ability to miss penalties? Concede from corners? Concede from distance?....or argue the merits of JJ?

 

[orkneyspur]

And there was me hoping it might be an ability to find buried treasure, open any lock, freeze time or zap an entire horde of Orcs with fireballs.

Eek

 

[Legend10]

:rofl:

I wondered how long it would take you to see that!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

:rofl:

I wondered how long it would take you to see that!

Yeah, cheeky ****.


Drifting back to the point though. Despite Joey's attempt to bullshit Defoe's GPM last season about 100 min PG worse than it actually was - what was clear was that his GPM did in fact piss Bent's - which is what I was saying in the summer when everyone was saying how much better Bent would be than Defoe.

The reason it id more relevant with these two is that they are both pure strikers. They are not there to hold the ball up for a partner etc. The both are only interested in scoring themselves. And it is more relevant than say goals per chance because it doesn't matter if you are making more chances for yourself and missing a high percentage if the outcome is still more goals per minute as games are limited by minutes not chances.

I could understand if we'd gone and brought in a striker that would have added something completely different, or one that would have made sense in relation to our other - pretty talented - strikers, but Bent had only ever been effective as a lone striker, he isn't particularly intelligent or technically great, and was never going to give us much more than we had or improve our style of play. We could have had Anelka for cheaper who's twice the player.

 

[SpurSince57]

Sorry, B-C, I really don't follow your logic about GPM being a better indicator than the number of goal attempts a player has. If Striker A has eight shots on target in a game and puts one away, and Striker B has just the one and puts that away, there is no difference—except that you're left wondering why Striker A didn't do better with the other seven.

Defoe's conversion rate in 2004-2005 was one in five, and as I suggested earlier, was probably a lot better than that over the first half of the season, when he scored 11 (as opposed to two over the second half). That's well up to scratch. However, over the last two seasons it's been one in eight. This season it's picked up again. Over the first third of last season Keane's conversion rate was a pathetic 1 in 16, if you excluded the penalty; when he came back from injury it jumped up to about 1 in 2.

Defoe not only gets the most shots away, he's also probably our most accurate striker in terms of shots on target—certainly as good as Keane and better than either Berbatov or Bent (or Mido, for that matter).

And it's incorrect to say that Bent has only been effective as a lone striker. He played in a 4-4-2 for the Tractor Boys.

Leaving aside the point that Anelka wouldn't have fitted into our policy, when could we have signed him?

We may have paid over the odds for Bent, but given that £6m was the going rate for the likes of Diomansy Kamara it doesn't seem too excessive. Or when you think that Liverpool shelled out £14m for Cissé. There were comments that we'd paid the same for Bent as Barca did for Henry, but Henry has hardly made a great impression in La Liga. In fact, he's been poop.

Bent's only 23 and has hardly had a real opportunity to show what he can do. I think you're being far too dismissive.

 

[Defsta]

Daily shit got new really interesting rumour :lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=507002&in_page_id=1779&ito=newsnow

 

[Legend10]

]Sorry, B-C, I really don't follow your logic about GPM being a better indicator than the number of goal attempts a player has. If Striker A has eight shots on target in a game and puts one away, and Striker B has just the one and puts that away, there is no difference—except that you're left wondering why Striker A didn't do better with the other seven. [/B]

Defoe's conversion rate in 2004-2005 was one in five, and as I suggested earlier, was probably a lot better than that over the first half of the season, when he scored 11 (as opposed to two over the second half). That's well up to scratch. However, over the last two seasons it's been one in eight. This season it's picked up again. Over the first third of last season Keane's conversion rate was a pathetic 1 in 16, if you excluded the penalty; when he came back from injury it jumped up to about 1 in 2.

Defoe not only gets the most shots away, he's also probably our most accurate striker in terms of shots on target—certainly as good as Keane and better than either Berbatov or Bent (or Mido, for that matter).

And it's incorrect to say that Bent has only been effective as a lone striker. He played in a 4-4-2 for the Tractor Boys.

Leaving aside the point that Anelka wouldn't have fitted into our policy, when could we have signed him?

We may have paid over the odds for Bent, but given that £6m was the going rate for the likes of Diomansy Kamara it doesn't seem too excessive. Or when you think that Liverpool shelled out £14m for Cissé. There were comments that we'd paid the same for Bent as Barca did for Henry, but Henry has hardly made a great impression in La Liga. In fact, he's been poop.

Bent's only 23 and has hardly had a real opportunity to show what he can do. I think you're being far too dismissive.

Or why striker B doesn't put himself in the mix like striker A does?

 

[The Apprentice]

Stick your stats up your ass.

It's obvious to any Tom, Dick or Harry that Defoe is a better striker than Bent. We'll regret losing him and being left with old lead boots.

 

[SpurSince57]

For all you know, he might have given Striker A an assist and assisted seven failed attempts. :wink:

The point is, surely, that three years ago, when everyone, me included, thought Defoe was going to be the next best thing since Lineker, he was putting a higher proportion of his shots away. Last season, when Sky was presenting OPTA stats in a meaningful format, one in four or one in five was what most top strikers were managing (the likes of Henry and RvN were better still). Defoe really needs to get back to that sort of figure.

 

[SpurSince57]

Stick your stats up your ass.

It's obvious to any Tom, Dick or Harry that Defoe is a better striker than Bent. We'll regret losing him and being left with old lead boots.

So it would seem.

 

[Stoof]

Daily shit got new really interesting rumour :lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=507002&in_page_id=1779&ito=newsnow

I'd take it.