Jermain Defoe (to Portsmouth)

[SpurSince57]

I had exactly this argument in the summer, Which is why at the time I highlighted the fact that Defoe's actual goals per minute ratio was better than Bent's. I highlighted this because, I argued and maintain still, is a far better way of assessing strikers as meriting what denotes a chance and even then what does it matter if a striker is making more chances for himself than the other stiker who only waits for great chances to come along. At the end of the day games are limited by time not chances. And Defoe manages more goals per minute.

This rather fell through when it turned out that Mido's GPM was considerably better than Defoe's in 2005-2006. And he needed fewer shots for every goal. And Mido's a bit shit, isn't he?

 

[idlepete]

Reserve team football for Jermain.

Obviously. What I want to know is when. Levy identified the two year mark as the moment a player's value starts to drop (at least he did with Carrick) and we're past that, so at what point does Ramos drop him to the stiffs? Will we bring in another striker as if he'd left the club anyway? How hardline will we be about it if injuries/form affect the frontline?

I suspect his wallet is big enough to cope but demotion to the stiffs would undoubtedly have some financial reprucussions for him.

Such asthe loss of appearance money and goal bonus's.

Also, if he's spent 12 months rotting in the reserves no-one will offer a contract as lucrative as he'd get if he'd been rotated in and out of the squad all season, bosman or not.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest: most. :lol:

I don't know Legend. He does it too often for you to not notice it though!

Reading: header.
Villa: volley.
Man City: near post first time.
Man City: smashed home tap-in.
Fulham: mini-ShiftAndShoot :wink:
Getafe: header.
Famagusta x 2: ShiftAndChip and ShiftAndShoot.

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Come now Legend, the above is the archetypal JD goal.

I fucking love the shift & shoot.

 

[chrissivad]

Also, if he's spent 12 months rotting in the reserves no-one will offer a contract as lucrative as he'd get if he'd been rotated in and out of the squad all season, bosman or not.

Newcastle and Westham would offer a huge contract if you can kick a football, injured or not...

Why let him rot in the reservs?

Sell for what we can get, then we dont need to pay his wages and we can spend the money on a player we need.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

But as L10 says, he's been banging poachers goals all season as well.

(still you gotta love the shift & shoot)

 

[Kendall]

I can't blame Defoe for being apprehensive about signing, but I still rate him as 4th choice.

 

[idlepete]

Newcastle and Westham would offer a huge contract if you can kick a football, injured or not...

Why let him rot in the reservs?

Sell for what we can get, then we dont need to pay his wages and we can spend the money on a player we need.

Don't know about Newcastle without Shepherd running the show, and don't know if he'd swallow his pride to go back to Spam. You can add Man City to the list though I suppose.

Obviously I'd rather sell or see him sign than drop him to the reserves. I'm just interested to see what happens if he refuses to sign or go. Levy promised us we wouldn't have another Judas situation again. Whatever a Levy promise is worth these days...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This rather fell through when it turned out that Mido's GPM was considerably better than Defoe's in 2005-2006. And he needed fewer shots for every goal. And Mido's a bit shit, isn't he?

Not really as we were comparing Bent & Defoe. If you want to cling to your Mido was mustard theory I think I'll just let you happily live that dilusionally blissfull lie.

 

[SpurSince57]

Otherwise known as "The Andy Cole Effect".

Why does Cantona wear his shirt collar pulled up around his ears?

Because he's got a dirty neck.

How come he's got a dirty neck?

Because he's been carrying Cole all season.

 

[SpurSince57]

Not really as we were comparing Bent & Defoe. If you want to cling to your Mido was mustard theory I think I'll just let you happily live that dilusionally blissfull lie.

So the theory only holds good for comparing Bent and Defoe?

 

[Legend10]

Very difficult to compare Mido & Defoe.

They couldn't be more different.

 

[yanno]

Actually, the simplest solution may be to look at it from Ramos' perspective.

Looking at the players we've been linked with, it seems Juande feels we need new players at CB, LB, RB, CM, LM. (Plus a linking striker who's good in the air if Berba goes.) Now, presumably Ramos has a transfer pot. Let's say, hypothetically, it's £20 million. He's had a couple of months to assess the squad in training and in matches. And he may very well have come to the same conclusion about our strikers as most people on SC, which is:
i) Berba is top class, and is an ideal linking/fulcrum striker. As long as he wants to play for Spurs, he's in the team;
ii) Keano has proven himself a good, goalscoring partner for Berba, and is currently our Number Two striker on merit;
iii) Bent & Defoe have similar strengths, although Bent needs service whilst Defoe will make some chances for himself. But, in the absence of injuries, it's highly unlikely more than one of them will get a run in the team. Therefore, one of them could realistically be sold to add c£10 million to the transfer pot and get in more of the players Ramos thinks he needs in other positions.

If this is so, then Defoe's contract situation and his proven inability to play with Keane, make him the obvious player to be sold. It really could be that simple.

Of course, if Defoe goes, then we'll probably get the kind of injury crisis with our strikers that's plagued our CBs this season, and we'll end up with Pekhart and Dawkins up front....

One wildcard. If David Villa really is available for say £25 million, I would sell both Bent & Defoe (for c£20 million combined), and sign him with an extra £5 million. Then we really would have a great trio of strikers.

 

[Legend10]

Why doesn't any other club ever show any interest in Keane?

 

[SpurSince57]

Agreed, but if you're using GPM as a measure of a striker's effectiveness you can't pick and choose which strikers you are going to apply it to. Defoe has had more shots per minute than anyone else this season, so it's not entirely surprising he should have scored more goals per minute either.

 

[Legend10]

Agreed, but if you're using GPM as a measure of a striker's effectiveness you can't pick and choose which strikers you are going to apply it to. Defoe has had more shots per minute than anyone else this season, so it's not entirely surprising he should have scored more goals per minute either.

But this is the problem with stats, you are simply doing what we all do.

You are reading the stats to see or prove what you want them to.

I could read that stat and say that Defoe has more shots per minute than anyone else this season and therefore by default he is our most threatening player:shrug:

 

[SpurSince57]

You could indeed, and I wouldn't disagree in the slightest. He always looks threatening. However, the key word over the past couple of seasons has been 'looks'.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Why doesn't any other club ever show any interest in Keane?

he's been at so many clubs i don't think people will even bother because it seems he's really found his home at WHL.

 

[SpurSince57]

There has always been rumoured interest in Keane. Usually from Celtic and Villa.

 

[idlepete]

Why doesn't any other club ever show any interest in Keane?

Until recently Celtic and Villa were consistently linked. But I think everyone knows he wants to stay a yiddo.

EDIT: Consarn you, SS57.

 

[sloth]

Gentlemen, i think I may have the solution to your player comparison problems. Step right up and take a gander at "The Sloth's Famous and Patented Method for Calculating a Player's Worth!" It's absolutely free and guaranteed to solve even the thorniest of player comparison debates...

Lets just enter the four players into the calculator... Defoe, Bent, Mido and Keane, enter the values...

Defoe

DWISOTT: 7
DABMTWISOTT: 5
Leadership/Charisma: 5
Attitude: 6.5
Special Skill: 7
Total: 30.5

Bent

DWISOTT: 7
DABMTWISOTT: 6
Leadership/Charisma: 5.5
Attitude: 6.5
Special Skill: 6.5
Total: 31.5

Mido

DWISOTT: 6.5
DABMTWISOTT: 5
Leadership/Charisma: 5
Attitude: 5
Special Skill: 5
Total: 26.5

Keane

DWISOTT: 7
DABMTWISOTT: 6.5
Leadership/Charisma: 6.5
Attitude: 6.5
Special Skill: 6.5
Total: 32

And hey presto! There we have it! It's close but in order of usefulness

Keane: 32
Bent: 31.5
Defoe: 30.5
Mido: 26.5