Jermain Defoe (to Portsmouth)

[Chuba]

Do you really think that JD would go to the Sun to reveal his intentions or not?! please read between the lines we are in the transfer period after all...

 

[DC_Boy]

the thing is at spurs it is not at all clear that JD is better than Bent

Bent's injury has clouded the situation but the basic premise remains - JD & RK are an ineffectual pairing - they are too small and lightweight - Jol knew this, JR knows this

Bent like Berbs has the physical attributes that enable him to play to start with any other of the 3 strikers - that's why Bent was bought - that's why when fit he's liable to start more times than JD - it's quite simple really

 

[AlexSkree]

Dont understand why some of u are criticising JD! He has done everything a manager can ask for of a player..He always makes an effort when he comes on but never really gets a good chance no matter how good he plays when he comes on! U cant blame him for stalling on a new contract when things is like it is now when Ramos has come out and said that if he takes his chance he will play! And then he doesnt..
Im behind him for one..
Please stay Jermain!!!

 

[Stoof]

Defoe > Keane >>>>>>>>>>>Bent.

Defoe short pass to Keane whose long ball finds Bent who scores?

I love Dingbats. :-D

The correct answer however, was given by Adam in this thread.

 

[tRiKS]

Don't feel too sorry for Defoe. If a Top Bastard were sniffing around he'd be happy to move on... I suspect only Portsmouth have any serious ambitions to sign him before his contract runs down. Defoe is going to the press becasue i suspect he's fed up of being the bad guy (Charlton and West ham) and on advice from someone has been told that he'll have more clubs and mangers wanting him if he's showing a good work hard get your head down down ask to leave and moan attitude.

 

[sloth]

Defoe has a contract and is meeting his part of it without question. Tottenham are meeting theirs by providing him with ongoing opportunities to train and occasionally play. It will not really matter that he doesn't sign another one and gets to leave on a 'free' because if Spurs valued their 'asset' they would have taken more care of it while they had Defoe under contract .......ie now. What do Tottenham seriously think that asset will be worth at any time between now and the end of it if they don't even pretend that it has 'worth' during the contract. Defoe will be a fully depreciated asset at the end of his contract, it will just be unfortunate for Spuirs if his residual value enables him to negotiate a decent deal on his own. BTW the Campbell and Defoe situations are different. Campbell was the backbone and skipper of our side right up until the end. Defoe is on the edge and has been there for 2 seasons now. The club are wrong here if they think theyw ill push him out. Contracts go both ways.

So you think players should be picked on account of the length of contract they have remaining?

Come off it mate!!! Imagine if what you suggest actually happened. No player would ever sign and our team would be full of players who get in the side because of politics not ability.

The simple fact is that a succession of coaches have not rated Defoe as in the top two strikers at Spurs. I agree with them, but I can accept that others don't, but I haven't once heard from any of Defoe's fan-club why they think he doesn't get in the team.

Can you tell me why you think that is? Can anyone who supports Defoe hazard a reason?

 

[johnmc]

He has had plenty of time to sign the offer on the table. He hasn't as yet, so he has to be moved on. If he signs, (he loves the club so much, he has said so enough times) then he in all probability will stay. It's all up to him. The options are either sign the contract on offer, move on to another club, or see out you'r contract, but you will see out you'r contract with the reserves. End of. Jermain it's you'r choice.
Remember Defoe is not the first choice striker or even second choice come to that.

 

[SpurSince57]

What's ironic in this that after two seasons of 'You can't expect Jermain to score if he doesn't get a decent run of games/only comes on for ten minutes' he's suddenly become a pretty effective impact striker. This is his best scoring run for three years, and he's converted a far higher proportion of chances—currently one in three in the league as opposed to the one in eight or nine of the past two seasons. That still isn't as good as Keane or Bent, though.

The trouble is, I doubt he sees himself fulfilling an OGS role, and that's probably what he's going to have to content himself with if he stays at Spurs. After all the flak Nasty Mr Jol received for preferring Keane, Ramos is clearly of like mind, and despite all the ludicrous abuse Bent has received on here—anyone would think he's the new Rasiak—he has more to his all-round game and will be ahead in the pecking order too.

 

[fozzi44]

Just to clarify, pablo is a journalist and the story in today's Sun is his story. So don't look at it as confirmation from a different source.

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Honestly ....i never knew that. We are talking about the same pablo that supplies the ITK now and again.

 

[sloth]

Honestly ....i never knew that. We are talking about the same pablo that supplies the ITK now and again.

Pablo isn't Charlie Wyett, the author of the story in the Sun. He's an Irish journo but he hears snippets on the grape-vine.

 

[sloth]

What's ironic in this that after two seasons of 'You can't expect Jermain to score if he doesn't get a decent run of games/only comes on for ten minutes' he's suddenly become a pretty effective impact striker. This is his best scoring run for three years, and he's converted a far higher proportion of chances—currently one in three in the league as opposed to the one in eight or nine of the past two seasons. That still isn't as good as Keane or Bent, though.

The trouble is, I doubt he sees himself fulfilling an OGS role, and that's probably what he's going to have to content himself with if he stays at Spurs. After all the flak Nasty Mr Jol received for preferring Keane, Ramos is clearly of like mind, and despite all the ludicrous abuse Bent has received on here—anyone would think he's the new Rasiak—he has more to his all-round game and will be ahead in the pecking order too.

I completely agree.

 

[Legend10]

What's ironic in this that after two seasons of 'You can't expect Jermain to score if he doesn't get a decent run of games/only comes on for ten minutes' he's suddenly become a pretty effective impact striker. This is his best scoring run for three years, and he's converted a far higher proportion of chances—currently one in three in the league as opposed to the one in eight or nine of the past two seasons. That still isn't as good as Keane or Bent, though.

The trouble is, I doubt he sees himself fulfilling an OGS role, and that's probably what he's going to have to content himself with if he stays at Spurs. After all the flak Nasty Mr Jol received for preferring Keane, Ramos is clearly of like mind, and despite all the ludicrous abuse Bent has received on here—anyone would think he's the new Rasiak—he has more to his all-round game and will be ahead in the pecking order too.

I'm curious to know what this chance conversion is SS57, how on earth do you categorise what a chance is?

If it's on attempts at goal that is so so different from chances.

For a start Keane's open goal miss against Reading in the league game just before half time. If he sticks his left foot out instead of his right he scores, no doubt. But he goes right foot and makes no contact at all, so is this a chance?
Or because there was no attempt as he made no contact does this open goal not go down as a chance?

 

[stevenqoz]

So you think players should be picked on account of the length of contract they have remaining?

Come off it mate!!! Imagine if what you suggest actually happened. No player would ever sign and our team would be full of players who get in the side because of politics not ability.

The simple fact is that a succession of coaches have not rated Defoe as in the top two strikers at Spurs. I agree with them, but I can accept that others don't, but I haven't once heard from any of Defoe's fan-club why they think he doesn't get in the team.

Can you tell me why you think that is? Can anyone who supports Defoe hazard a reason?

So you don't believe that politics plays a part at clubs? Jols preference for the arm waver was down to his personal preference. Believe it or not ( and this does not apply in FIFA manager games) all coaches have deep seated and sometimes irrational feelings towards players. That is the way you cope as a human being and it very rare that a coach changes his mind about a player....they are human. I have coached about 800 matches in the past 35 years and currently coach 4 sides from under 18 upwards. I have a mental rating / pecking order perference for every man / woman in those squads. What I am saying is that once Jol made his mind up, he stuck with it, regarding Defoe. Ramos is a bit different but I would say as a foreigner coming into a 'crisis club' it would not have been good to come out and say you don't rate the bloke wearing the captains armband. Ramos owes nowt to Defoe and will bring in his own people asap.
For me Defoe and Keane are similar in that they are quite specialised. Defoe quick and direct but small, possessing a selfishness important to his type of attacker. Keane is slower but has a better touch and is generally more likely to bring the rest of the side into the game with his play.
Personally I prefer Defoe and feel he gives us more of an edge when he plays especially with Berbatov.

 

[Daredevil]

I hope he signs and stays.

If he doesn't sign I think he should leave. If he loves the club he will realise leaving for nothing will cost us so he should do the right thing and move on to a club where he will get more games... as more football is supposed to be what he wants!


Right now he wants it all his own way.

 

[SpurSince57]

The proportion of shots on target that go in. Keane's miss wouldn't count (and there are no stats for cup games anyway). In the league Defoe has had 11 shots on target (just over 50%, marginally the best of our strikers ahead of Keane) and put four away, which you really can't complain about.

http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789

Unfortunately, Sky, for reasons best known to themselves, have completely ballsed up their presentation of OPTA stats this season.

 

[milkman]

I am with Daredevil, I hope that he signs a new contract and stays at WHL. He has proven that he is a goal scorer, so he should be given a run of games in the starting 11, then see how well he shows himself given the golden oppurtunity.

 

[sloth]

So you don't believe that politics plays a part at clubs?

Of course I do, I just shudder at the idea that players should be picked for political reasons rather than because the coach thinks he's the best man for the job. i think most right-minded fans of any club would be outraged by the idea, you included :wink:

Jols preference for the arm waver was down to his personal preference. Believe it or not ( and this does not apply in FIFA manager games) all coaches have deep seated and sometimes irrational feelings towards players. That is the way you cope as a human being and it very rare that a coach changes his mind about a player....they are human. I have coached about 800 matches in the past 35 years and currently coach 4 sides from under 18 upwards. I have a mental rating / pecking order perference for every man / woman in those squads. What I am saying is that once Jol made his mind up, he stuck with it, regarding Defoe.

Which would be a lot more credible if Jol's clear preference in his first 12 months hadn't been for Defoe. He changed his mind once, why not again?

Ramos is a bit different but I would say as a foreigner coming into a 'crisis club' it would not have been good to come out and say you don't rate the bloke wearing the captains armband. Ramos owes nowt to Defoe and will bring in his own people asap.

Codswallop, the best thing for a coach coming into a club is to play the best players and win games. he's shown no reluctance to bring in fringe players elsewhere.

For me Defoe and Keane are similar in that they are quite specialised. Defoe quick and direct but small, possessing a selfishness important to his type of attacker. Keane is slower but has a better touch and is generally more likely to bring the rest of the side into the game with his play.
Personally I prefer Defoe and feel he gives us more of an edge when he plays especially with Berbatov.

Finally the crux, the coaches disagree with you, they think Keane over all brings more to the table than Defoe. It's a judgement call, but they have the advantage of working with the players every day and I suspect there's a reason they're Premier League coaches and you're not (which btw, is not to disparage your ability or experience).

I also think that Ramos thinks long-term that Bent brings more to the table than Defoe, for obvious reasons.

Given this state of affairs, what would you do? Not what would you do, thinking Defoe is more valuable than Keane, but what would you do, given that you'd made up your mind and you thought Keane more valuable than Defoe? What would you do?

 

[idlepete]

It'll be interesting to see what the club will do to avert another Judas situation if he doesn't sign soon and refuses to leave.

 

[Legend10]

The proportion of shots on target that go in. Keane's miss wouldn't count (and there are no stats for cup games anyway). In the league Defoe has had 11 shots on target (just over 50%, marginally the best of our strikers ahead of Keane) and put four away, which you really can't complain about.

http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789

Unfortunately, Sky, for reasons best known to themselves, have completely ballsed up their presentation of OPTA stats this season.

But out of all the stats thrown about in football 57 this has to be the worse.

Keane missed the open goal where he made no contact in the league game just before half time at 1-1 but this doesn't count as a chance as wouldn't for example Utaka's miss at Ipswich (if it had been a league game) Yet Defoe's blistering 25 yard shot that Hanheman parried at 6-4 when Defoe had no other options does?

we've missed plenty of chances this season where we haven't even got a shot away because we've dwelt to long and a defender has got back to tackle, again not registerdas a chance.

It is just unrealistic to measure on paper what is a chance and what isn't a chance.

 

[DC_Boy]

It'll be interesting to see what the club will do to avert another Judas situation if he doesn't sign soon and refuses to leave.

Realistically, what can the club do - put him in the reserves?

I hope the reason JD didn't play on Sat wasn't because of this politics- as we then get into a 'cut you nose off' situ.