Joško Gvardiol

[wrd]

If there is inky one CB in world football that conte and paratici like then God help us. Amazed if they genuinely feel there isn't a CB out there that could help us more than say Tanganga.

But that isn't the way to build the squad. You don't try and just sign somebody because they're better than the worse you have, you try and sign players better that are better than what you have i.e in this instance, we need to sign somebody who is better than Davies and Lenglet in that role. Just signing people for the sake of it because they edge out Tanganga is a waste of resources.

 

[Roberts84]

Is the Elite CB you are referring to Romero? The one we signed last summer with an obligation. So we had to purchase him. Yes we signed a decent WB and decent CM. Great business that cost us 25m. Prospects are great. How did Gil, Clarke and Rodon work out for us. Ndombele was another great young talent. Sess took 2 years to make any sort of impact another great youth prospect. Before the season started the majority of the vocal fanbase was screaming for top draw CB to replace Davies and CB competition for Dier/Romero. A ready to go RWB and some creativity. None of those have been acquired.

We have a squad capable of getting top 4. I just hoped for more considering the noises at the start of the summer with budgets CL money and the injection. Our rivals all look a little out of sorts city won't keep getting out of jail. Liverpool bit up and down. Just thought we might have gone big in hope of catching them slacking as they rarely have 2 season dips

Did we have an obligation on Romero? Not sure, but others will confirm. Out of interest what do you think was the main objective for the club this preseason and are you happy with what we did in the transfer market?

 

[Maxtremist]

Is the Elite CB you are referring to Romero? The one we signed last summer with an obligation. So we had to purchase him. Yes we signed a decent WB and decent CM. Great business that cost us 25m. Prospects are great. How did Gil, Clarke and Rodon work out for us. Ndombele was another great young talent. Sess took 2 years to make any sort of impact another great youth prospect. Before the season started the majority of the vocal fanbase was screaming for top draw CB to replace Davies and CB competition for Dier/Romero. A ready to go RWB and some creativity. None of those have been acquired.

We have a squad capable of getting top 4. I just hoped for more considering the noises at the start of the summer with budgets CL money and the injection. Our rivals all look a little out of sorts city won't keep getting out of jail. Liverpool bit up and down. Just thought we might have gone big in hope of catching them slacking as they rarely have 2 season dips

We went for a smart and stable summer and I'm fully here for that.

You bring up Ndombele who is our record signing. Fairly recent proof from us that just spending money on players isn't always the right thing. They've gotta be the right fit and profile. Before that we spent on Sanchez as our record signing and again... spending lots money =/= mean we are gonna get the best players.

Looking at our rivals, a lot of us can see the money Man Utd have spent and general consensus is that they've MASSIVELY overspent. Arsenal have had a very good window but like us, have a few places they still need to improve on. Chelsea still don't have a striker. Liverpool are going through an injury crisis and generally seem to be lacking depth in their CM. So its only country backed Man City who seem to be spending and have a squad that seems pretty well stocked.

Sure, I think our squad could do with a few more additions and want us to add a few, but I also don't want us to spend for the sake of spending. I think none of us here were saying we should spend 90mil on Gvardiol, Bastoni just isn't gonna happen seemingly. We've had a few other CBs we've looked at but ultimately I'd imagine a lot seem like more shorter terms buys than long term (at least what's possible right now). Thus we got Lenglet as a short term (loan) who could possibly be more if it all clicks.

As for what the majority of our fanbase was screaming for... is this the same fanbase that screams at every single starting lineup? Or wants Spence to be starting a lot cause there were a lot of fans on here who were VERY Pro-Spence when we were signing him and were suggesting he walks into our first team. No offence to us but, myself included, the majority of our fanbase are idiots. Lovely idiots but idiots nonetheless.

 

[wrd]

I get that, but I’m 40 in November and I’m worried I’ll die before we win anything.

If it makes you feel better, when you're dead you won't remember it anyway

 

[Aphex]

But that isn't the way to build the squad. You don't try and just sign somebody because they're better than the worse you have, you try and sign players better that are better than what you have i.e in this instance, we need to sign somebody who is better than Davies and Lenglet in that role. Just signing people for the sake of it because they edge out Tanganga is a waste of resources.

Isn't that what we might end up doing with Traore / James though?

 

[wrd]

Isn't that what we might end up doing with Traore / James though?

Yeah I think that'd be a bad decision but Paratici has been obsessed with Adama hasn't he. Conte doesn't seem to be that fussed.

 

[Aphex]

I get that, but I’m 40 in November and I’m worried I’ll die before we win anything.

Exactly my thinking mate. Most of my life I've seen us win two league cups, I'm approaching my 40s, I would just like to see us go for it and have a good period of success before we pop off.

Chelsea have had 20 years of success, do you think their fans care that they overspend? Do we really all want to die before we win anything, but pat ourselves on the back and say well at least our net spend was reasonable?

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

I get that, but I’m 40 in November and I’m worried I’ll die before we win anything.

I’m 16 years older than you and although we’ve obviously made progress I still think we really haven’t pushed the boat out and I genuinely fear that I’ll not see us win anything again in my lifetime.

 

[Roberts84]

Sorry dude but you're just spinning it. We either signed Romero last window or this one, if he was this window's signing, then last summer was a complete shocker of a window with hardly anything spent. I could say the same about you, anything we do is just the greatest thing ever and there can be no wrong.

End of the day I have repeatedly said we have done good business this window, but we haven't shown the ambition I thought we would have, to really push the boat out. To only sign Lenglet on loan when our defence needed strengthening at CB isn't enough.

Now, when our rivals are spending eye watering amounts on talented players, we are deciding between Dan James and Traore. I thought this window would be different and we wouldn't be back to shopping at Lidl, but here we are. The James / Traore stuff is very much the usual Spurs window we've come to expect, it really hasn't been that different. We've just done business earlier. We've always generally made one biggish 50/60 mill signing in a summer window, and then a few cheap ones. Same as this summer. I thought we'd see a few 60 mill transfers on bastoni, Zaniolo's and the likes, but it just hasn't happened.

Hmmm me spinning it

 

[Aphex]

Yeah I think that'd be a bad decision but Paratici has been obsessed with Adama hasn't he. Conte doesn't seem to be that fussed.

Yeah he has, I don't quite understand it. Hopefully Conte over rules.

 

[robotsonic]

Is the Elite CB you are referring to Romero? The one we signed last summer with an obligation. So we had to purchase him. Yes we signed a decent WB and decent CM. Great business that cost us 25m. Prospects are great. How did Gil, Clarke and Rodon work out for us. Ndombele was another great young talent. Sess took 2 years to make any sort of impact another great youth prospect. Before the season started the majority of the vocal fanbase was screaming for top draw CB to replace Davies and CB competition for Dier/Romero. A ready to go RWB and some creativity. None of those have been acquired.

It's a bit of a reach to call Perisic and Bissouma "decent" to try and make the window sound more shit I think that we were crying out for a top quality LWB and CM also, given Winks, Ndombele and Lo Celso were deemed surplus. I think having an expectation, especially at Spurs, that we can solve every position in one window is setting yourself up for a fall from the outset imo.

 

[Stoof]

Sorry dude but you're just spinning it. We either signed Romero last window or this one, if he was this window's signing, then last summer was a complete shocker of a window with hardly anything spent. I could say the same about you, anything we do is just the greatest thing ever and there can be no wrong.

End of the day I have repeatedly said we have done good business this window, but we haven't shown the ambition I thought we would have, to really push the boat out. To only sign Lenglet on loan when our defence needed strengthening at CB isn't enough.

Now, when our rivals are spending eye watering amounts on talented players, we are deciding between Dan James and Traore. I thought this window would be different and we wouldn't be back to shopping at Lidl, but here we are. The James / Traore stuff is very much the usual Spurs window we've come to expect, it really hasn't been that different. We've just done business earlier. We've always generally made one biggish 50/60 mill signing in a summer window, and then a few cheap ones. Same as this summer. I thought we'd see a few 60 mill transfers on bastoni, Zaniolo's and the likes, but it just hasn't happened.

Just think this is really wide of the mark. Sorry Aphex, just can’t get into the mindset that would make someone think that way given all that has happened in the past with our transfers dealings.

Appreciate your opinion though, but just fundamentally disagree. ??

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

Exactly my thinking mate. Most of my life I've seen us win two league cups, I'm approaching my 40s, I would just like to see us go for it and have a good period of success before we pop off.

Chelsea have had 20 years of success, do you think their fans care that they overspend? Do we really all want to die before we win anything, but pat ourselves on the back and say well at least our net spend was reasonable?

Totally agree mate. ?

 

[spursfan77]

Is he that good? I’d never heard of him until we were linked to him this summer.

 

[skiba]

Based on what?

IIRC the total sale price was 4bn. 2.5bn was to buy the club and 1.5bn was for the redevelopment of the ground and to provide liquidity for transfers and wages etc.

Short term they were always going to spend big and as they have a massive amount of cash. But if they keep spending 400m a year that cash will run out eventually and where Abramovic treated Chelsea as a toy and was happy to underwrite the losses when needed the current ownership model is based in institutional investors who generally don’t like continuing having to plough money in. I imagine if they’ve seen the best part of 1.5bn spent with limited success they will be far more reluctant to chuck even more in as there priority is to make money.

They want to make a profit on there £4bn and every bit of additional funds they have to put in eats into their eventual profits.

If anything I’m happy to see them overpaying now as the pot is not unlimited and the more they dip into it now the less they will have further down the line. There’s also FFP to consider and where Chelsea always balanced the books through sales we’re seeing clubs really struggle to shift players for decent fees with Europe in a bit of a mess financially.

 

[johnwhitesghost]

I don’t think we can see this window in isolation. Last January and this summer has seen us move forward. But, it has to be backed up by further investment next January and next summer. Then we can really judge….

 

[chas vs dave]

The owner is apparently saying he won't be sold this window. Via bild.

RB Leipzig chief responds to claims Chelsea have made £77m bid for Gvardiol

The Croatian has been linked with a late move to Stamford Bridge.

www.google.com

 

[k1cks77]

Sorry dude but you're just spinning it. We either signed Romero last window or this one, if he was this window's signing, then last summer was a complete shocker of a window with hardly anything spent. I could say the same about you, anything we do is just the greatest thing ever and there can be no wrong.

End of the day I have repeatedly said we have done good business this window, but we haven't shown the ambition I thought we would have, to really push the boat out. To only sign Lenglet on loan when our defence needed strengthening at CB isn't enough.

Now, when our rivals are spending eye watering amounts on talented players, we are deciding between Dan James and Traore.

Ask any of our rival fans if they are truely happy and I bet you none of them bar maybe city and arsenal will say yes. liverpool still need atleast 2 cm’s and got none this window. Chelsea need a cf and despite spending 300odd million they haven’t got one and will probably get PEA for 20million when 6 mths ago he was handed away for free. Man city for all their great recruitment arguably have a better first team but maybe a weaker squad than they had before. Arsenal again strengthened their first team but could do with another 4/5 players for the squad and that will cost them imo. Man utd… well lets not even go there shall we.

This is digressing away from the gvardiol chat, but we all agree that we are only 2 players light in the squad of 23 players, if you looked at where we were 1 year ago that is remarkable doing imo and I would rather we not pay stupid inflated prices like chelsea and man utd do, as that is unsustainable and could cripple us. 80million for player you could get for 60million next summer and loaning back for a year is madness imo. If we do this business of snapping up young talent I would much rather smaller punts for 10-20million like sarr, udogie etc, as they are low risk and high reward imo. Yes i would rather not be lumbered with dross like dan james for the sake of it, but i would much prefer we bide our time for the right targets if we cant get them now, much like how pool did with van dijk which took 2/3 windows to complete if i remember correctly.

 

[robotsonic]

You do have to wonder what Gvardiol really gains from this going through this window. Another cracking season and he'd have all of Europe's elite twerking for him a la Haaland and make some serious bank. Surely Chelsea aren't going to pay him now what he could be offered next season with a release clause 30 mil light of these figures. He could demand the difference alone in his pocket if he's actually worth it.
Beggars belief that a player apparently so coveted would want to go to Chelsea, when they look a bit of a state despite flushing money down the loo as fast as old mate can get hold of it, when you could be looking at Madrid or something which must be far more appealing in prestige and climate.

 

[wrd]

I'd be lying if I said I thought we got everything right this summer, I did think we would go very strong on LCB given that our midfield is quite industrious I thought it pivotal to overload the wings and provide a different dimension with strong progressive players in the wider CB positions. However I do think we actually have potentially a very exciting blend of LCB's because Davies is a no brainer for games such as vs Liverpool and City where as Lenglet when up to speed looks ideal for the progressive passing. So whilst I'd have liked an all in one solution, I actually think we have navigated that situation extremely well and I'm really hopeful that Lenglet gives us the dimension vs teams we'd previously struggle to break down. My understanding is that he was a monster.

Where I think we did let ourselves down was the Eriksen deal, I think we needed a player of this ilk and given his history with us and Conte it seemed a no brainer, I felt we were lacking the ability to add that dimension to our system where we have more threat from dead balls and somebody who could pick teams apart defensively.

However once that deal dissipated I felt we had 3 positions left we needed to fill (LCB, Progressive passing CM and either a forward of some form be it an additional striker, winger or AM) but I really early on felt that actually we had signed 6 players and the business we had done was very strong and realistically those 3 positions sound more like a 2nd season of a project rather than 3 additional on top of what we already did, we also signed what appears to be a scarily good talent for LWB next summer. I of course like any other fan would love to have seen us go big guns on maybe two of those positions with City and Liverpool looking actually slightly more vulnerable than they have for a long time but the business we have done is a very strong turnover that typically you don't see teams go beyond.

If we had gone beyond it then tremendous but I'm extremely happy with the way we've levelled up the squad this summer and expect the final parts added in the form of 3/4 signings over the next 2 windows.